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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2006, 01:12:44 PM »
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Youre obviously influenced by liberal media. Conspiracy theorists. And delusion.

You're obviously influenced by a liar, control freak and a war mongerer.


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Youre an idiot. You say GW is finishing his dads business. WHAT business?
SR went to Iraq to defend Saudi Arabia moron.

Kuwait actually, but hey....you haven't let the facts stand in the way of your opinions yet.

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Saddam was removed from power by the US because Saddam is a murderous dictator and was a legitimate threat to peace in the middle east.

Saddam is a murderous dictator, yes but he was no where near a legitimate threat to peace until "W" decided to go in and "liberate" his people.  Iraq was not the hotbed of terrorism that it has become since our "liberation".

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You think its a worthless war only because you have no IDEA what is going on there.

I know plenty of what's going on there.  I come from a military family and I read.  And not mainstream media either.  You have to dig for facts.


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Heres a hint moron. The UN did not give unilateral support to a declaration of war NOT because it doubted or questioned the legitimacy of removing Hussein....
Several UN countries had, and still have monetary interest in Iraq.

Finish your thought, moron.  I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.


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Try to picture reality for just a second. The war in Iraq would still exist if the US and its allies left.  There are 4 different groups who want not only control, but simply a voice in government.  Some of these groups are radical, violent, and murderous.
Then theres insurgents. Iranians, Turks, etc. Who would LOVE to take control of Iraqs resources. If the US pulled out now the middle east would erupt in violence murder and genocide.

Whats so difficult to understand about that?

A lot of what you say here is true but the reason why it would be that way if we left is because we went in and made such a mess of it in the first place.  What's so difficult to understand about that?

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You armchair theorists with your "the war is illegal"
Just because you heard it on the TV doesnt mean its anywhere near accurate idiot.

"W" took us to war under false pretenses.  "WMDs are there!  We know for a fact where they are" :roll:


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The US and many other countries removed Saddam from power as a final option. SR didnt "fail" to finish a job asshole, and if thats your reasoning, how would it have been OK if SR DID "finish the job"during the dessert shield campaign?

Yes he did.  It would be different because Saddam would have been removed from power back then.  You seem to have problems with simple reading comprehension.

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You are an idiot and know nothing about this war and the US involvement. Shut up and eat your corn flakes.


You're an idiot who thinks he knows all there is to know about this war and the US involvement.  Shut up and go polish your pretty, pretty guns.
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2006, 05:19:39 PM »
Sorry, I had a hard time getting past "War Mongerer"

 :rofl:



Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, what difference does it make. If Iraq gained control of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia was next on the list.

Keep digging for your facts....over 500 WMD have been found since US military occupation of Iraq.

Saddam sold components on the open market (terrorists)
He also planned to use them for a new campaign in Kuwait.

Whats in between Kuwait and Iraq?......Saudi Arabia. Duh. More Saudi lives were lost when Iraq pursued Kuwait.
SR had UN support to keep Iraqis out of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait (You cant get to Kuwait without going through SA)
So as for your "unfinished business" theory is concerned...its invalid. The UN did not approve anything more than a defense effort.


The rest of your post is irrelevant and rhetoric. Like most liberal fucking unsolicited commentary based on "conspiracy theories, media spin, and delusion"
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2006, 07:45:19 PM »
Kuwait is between Iraq and Saudi Arabia kids.
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2006, 07:53:20 PM »
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Keep digging for your facts....over 500 WMD have been found since US military occupation of Iraq.



Keep spinning yours.  No useable WMDs.  The smattering that were found were so old and deteriorated the were of no use.
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2006, 08:01:51 PM »
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Like most liberal fucking unsolicited commentary based on "conspiracy theories, media spin, and delusion"


I don't buy into conspiracy theories and I'm not a liberal.  

Typical kneejerk reaction of your kind though.  You see things as black and white, us and them.  I look at individual situations, circumstances and people before forming an opinion on any given matter.
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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2006, 08:03:10 PM »
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Very well said. I couldn't have said it any better

No shit you couldnt have said it any better, because your a fucking moron.



No, your mother is a moron, she gave birth to you.
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2006, 05:54:04 PM »
I love it how conservatives use the word "liberal" as if it's an insult.  Being forward-thinking, open-minded, generous, compassionate and progressive is hardly a bad thing.  Society's trends have almost invariably turned more liberal over any significant period of time.

I'm proud to be a liberal.
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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2006, 03:08:32 AM »
i say it to vietnam vets, i say it to you,
 thank you

but words are meaningless in such a situation,as proud as the marines can be, they still got  used. you got injured for haliburton, and the american political machine. bush has  put the E at the end of the  marine corps .
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2006, 11:46:15 AM »
Yahoo! News
Panel: Bush Iraq policy 'not working'

By ANNE PLUMMER FLAHERTY and DAVID ESPO, Associated Press Writers 1 minute ago

President Bush's policy in Iraq "is not working," a high-level commission said bluntly on Wednesday, prodding the administration to embrace diplomacy to stabilize the country and allow withdrawal of most combat troops by early 2008.

After four years of war and the deaths of more than 2,900 U.S. troops, the situation is "grave and deteriorating," and the United States' ability "to influence events within Iraq is diminishing," the commission warned in an unsparing report.

It recommended the United States reduce "political, military or economic support" for Iraq if the government in Baghdad cannot make substantial progress toward providing for its own security.

President Bush received the report in an early morning meeting at the White House with commission members. He pledged to treat each proposal seriously and act in a "timely fashion."

He was flanked by the commission's co-chairmen, former Secretary of State James A. Baker III, and former Rep. Lee Hamilton in a remarkable scene ? a president praising the work of a group that had just concluded his policy had led to chaos.

"Many Americans are understandably dissatisfied," Hamilton said later at a news conference that marked the formal release of the results of the commission's eight-month labors.

"There is no magic bullet," said Baker.

The report painted a grim picture of Iraq nearly four years after U.S. forces toppled Saddam Hussein. It urged Bush to embrace steps he has thus far rejected, including involving Syria and Iran in negotiations over Iraq's future.

It warned that if the situation continues to deteriorate, there is a risk of a "slide toward chaos (that) could trigger the collapse of Iraq's government and a humanitarian catastrophe."

"Neighboring countries could intervene. ... The global standing of the United States could be diminished. Americans could become more polarized," commissioners said.

With diplomacy under way, the report said, the U.S. should increase the number of combat and other troops that are embedded with and supporting Iraqi Army units.

"As these actions proceed, U.S. combat forces could begin to move out of Iraq," it said. "By the first quarter of 2008, subject to unexpected developments in the security situation on the ground, all combat brigades not necessary for force protection could be out of Iraq."

More broadly, the commission recommended a renewed push to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict, saying the United States cannot otherwise achieve its goals in the Middle East.

Baker, Hamilton and the other members of the commission traveled to the Capitol from the White House to present their findings to senior lawmakers. The report makes 79 separate recommendations on Iraq policy.

"If the president is serious about the need for change in Iraq, he will find Democrats ready to work with him in a bipartisan fashion to find a way to end the war as quickly as possible," said Rep. Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), the California Democrat who is in line to become speaker when the new Congress convenes in January.

The recommendations came at a pivotal time, with Bush under domestic pressure to change course and with the new, Democratic-controlled Congress certain to cast a skeptical look at administration policy.

Additionally, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, the architect of the administration's war policy, has resigned. His replacement, Robert Gates, is on track for Senate confirmation this week after a remarkable assessment of his own ? that the United States is not winning the war.

Bush has rejected establishing timetables for withdrawing the 140,000 U.S. troops and has said he isn't looking for "some kind of graceful exit out of Iraq."

There was no letup Wednesday in the killing in Iraq, where a mortar attack killed at least eight people and wounded dozens in a secondhand goods market. Police said the shelling was followed closely by a suicide bombing in the Sadr City Shiite district of the capital.

It was the type of violence that has led many to declare that Iraq is in the throes of a civil war ? an assessment that Bush has refused to accept.

By whatever name, Baker, Hamilton and the other eight members of the commission said the status quo was unacceptable.

"Violence is increasing in scope and lethality. It is fed by a Sunni Arab insurgency, Shiite militias, death squads, al-Qaida and widespread criminality. Sectarian conflict is the principal challenge to stability," the report said.

Bush said the report "gives a very tough assessment of the situation in Iraq. It is a report that brings some really very interesting proposals, and we will take every proposal seriously and we will act in a timely fashion."

He also urged members of Congress to give serious consideration to the recommendations.

"While they won't agree with every proposal, and we probably won't agree with every proposal, it nevertheless is an opportunity to come together and to work together on this important issue," he said.

The commission's recommendation to have U.S. forces embedded with Iraqi units reflects an approach the military already has been emphasizing in recent months. But administration officials say Iraqis are not yet ready to go it alone against the insurgency.

U.S. allies in the region, including the powerful Sunni leadership in Saudi Arabia, say the Arab-Israeli conflict underlies other Mideast problems and that rancor from the impasse makes other issues harder to solve.

The commission recommended that a "diplomatic offensive" be aimed at building an international consensus for stability in Iraq, and that it include every country in the region.

The United States accuses Syria and Iran of bankrolling terrorism and stirring up trouble in the region. The United States has had no diplomatic ties to Iran for nearly three decades, and pulled its ambassador from Syria last year.

Still, the commission said, "Given the ability of Iran and Syria to influence events within Iraq and their interest in avoiding chaos in Iraq, the United States should try to engage them constructively."

Ahead of the report's release, the White House said it would consider talking to Iran and Syria if the commission recommended it.

Yet the administration's overall tone has been one of skepticism about reaching accommodation with Tehran and Damascus. Administration officials have suggested there is more to lose than to gain by rewarding Iran and Syria with high-profile discourse with American diplomats, and warn that Iran in particular could try to use contact with U.S. officials to gain leverage in ongoing separate diplomacy over its nuclear program.
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Saudis are funding the Sunnis in Iraq
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2006, 01:55:21 PM »
Saudis are funding the Sunnis in Iraq


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061208/ap_ ... ency_saudi

CAIRO, Egypt - Private Saudi citizens are giving millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents in Iraq and much of the money is used to buy weapons, including shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles, according to key Iraqi officials and others familiar with the flow of cash.

Saudi government officials deny that any money from their country is being sent to Iraqis fighting the government and the U.S.-led coalition.

But the U.S. Iraq Study Group report said Saudis are a source of funding for Sunni Arab insurgents. Several truck drivers interviewed by The Associated Press described carrying boxes of cash from Saudi Arabia into Iraq, money they said was headed for insurgents.

Two high-ranking Iraqi officials, speaking on condition of 96 because of the issue's sensitivity, told the AP most of the Saudi money comes from private donations, called zaqat, collected for Islamic causes and charities.

Some Saudis appear to know the money is headed to Iraq's insurgents, but others merely give it to clerics who channel it to anti-coalition forces, the officials said.

In one recent case, an Iraqi official said $25 million in Saudi money went to a top Iraqi Sunni cleric and was used to buy weapons, including Strela, a Russian shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missile. The missiles were purchased from someone in Romania, apparently through the black market, he said.

Overall, the Iraqi officials said, money has been pouring into Iraq from oil-rich Saudi Arabia, a Sunni bastion, since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq toppled the Sunni-controlled regime of
Saddam Hussein in 2003.

Saudi officials vehemently deny their country is a major source of financial support for the insurgents.

"There isn't any organized terror finance, and we will not permit any such unorganized acts," said Brig. Gen. Mansour al-Turki, a spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry. About a year ago the Saudi government set up a unit to track any "suspicious financial operations," he said.

But the Iraq Study Group said "funding for the Sunni insurgency comes from private individuals within Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states."

Saudi officials say they cracked down on zakat abuses, under pressure from the United States, after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.

The Iraqi officials, however, said some funding goes to Iraq's Sunni Arab political leadership, who then disburse it. Other money, they said, is funneled directly to insurgents. The distribution network includes Iraqi truck and bus drivers.

Several drivers interviewed by the AP in Middle East capitals said Saudis have been using religious events, like the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca and a smaller pilgrimage, as cover for illicit money transfers. Some money, they said, is carried into Iraq on buses with returning pilgrims.

"They sent boxes full of dollars and asked me to deliver them to certain addresses in Iraq," said one driver, who gave his name only as Hussein, out of fear of reprisal. "I know it is being sent to the resistance, and if I don't take it with me, they will kill me."

He was told what was in the boxes, he said, to ensure he hid the money from authorities at the border.

The two Iraqi officials would not name specific Iraqi Sunnis who have received money from Saudi Arabia. But Iraq issued an arrest warrant for Harith al-Dhari, a Sunni opponent of the Iraqi government, shortly after he visited Saudi Arabia in October. He was accused of sectarian incitement.

Saudi Arabia is a key U.S. ally in the Middle East. The Iraq Study Group report noted that its government has assisted the U.S. military with intelligence on Iraq.

But Saudi citizens have close tribal ties with Sunni Arabs in Iraq, and sympathize with their brethren in what they see as a fight for political control ? and survival ? with Iraq's Shiites.

The Saudi government is determined to curb the growing influence of its chief rival in the region,
Iran. Tehran is closely linked to Shiite parties that dominate the Iraqi government.

Saudi officials say the kingdom has worked with all sides to reconcile Iraq's warring factions. They have, they point out, held talks in Saudi Arabia with Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose militia is accused of killing Sunnis.

These officials say zakat donations are now channeled through supervised bank accounts. Cash donation boxes, once prevalent in supermarkets and shopping malls, have been eliminated.

Still, Iraq's foreign minister expressed concern about the influence of neighboring Sunni states at a recent Arab foreign ministers meeting in Cairo.

"We hope that Saudi Arabia will keep the same distance from each and all Iraqi parties," Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari later told the AP.

Last month, the New York Times reported that a classified U.S. government report said Iraq's Sunni Arab insurgency had become self-sufficient financially, raising millions from oil smuggling, kidnapping and Islamic charities. The report did not say whether any money came from Saudi Arabia.

Allegations the insurgents have purchased shoulder-fired Strela missiles raise concerns that they are obtaining increasingly sophisticated weapons.

On Nov. 27, a U.S. Air Force F-16 jet crashed while flying in support of American soldiers fighting Anbar province, a Sunni insurgent hotbed. The U.S. military said it had no information about the cause of the crash. Gen. William Caldwell, a U.S. military spokesman, said he would be surprised if the jet was shot down because F-16's have not encountered weapons capable of taking them down in Iraq.

But last week, a spokesman for Saddam's ousted Baath party claimed that fighters armed with a Strela missile had shot down the jet.

"We have stockpiles of Strelas and we are going to surprise them (the Americans)," Khudair al-Murshidi, the spokesman told the AP in Damascus,
Syria. He would not say how the Strelas were obtained.

Saddam's army had Strelas; it is not known how many survived the 2003 war. The Strela is a shoulder-fired, low-altitude system with a passive infrared guidance system.

The issue of Saudi funding for the insurgency could gain new prominence as the Bush administration reviews its Iraq policy, especially if it seeks to engage Iran and Syria in peace efforts.

Bush's national security adviser,
Stephen Hadley, wrote in a recent leaked memo that Washington should "step up efforts to get Saudi Arabia to take a leadership role in supporting Iraq, by using its influence to move Sunni populations out of violence into politics."

Last week, a Saudi who headed a security consulting group close to the Saudi government, Nawaf Obaid, wrote in the Washington Post that Saudi Arabia would use money, oil and support for Sunnis to thwart Iranian efforts to dominate Iraq if American troops pulled out. The Saudi government denied the report and fired Obaid.
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