Hello, where is everyone at on the?WAR? that's going on righ

[JDavid]

I would have approved of an intentional assassination of Saddam and the Baath Party.  It's the full-scale war I don't approve of because it's not necessary.  I'd rather have seen Iraqis assassinate the Baaths, but that's ok with me if a US bomb is what it takes.  Around 1200 people are dead from the full-scale war.  The full-scale war wasn't necessary, but then there would not be billions to be made of all the destruction that has been done in the meantime.  I wonder if they intentionally left Saddam in power long enough for him to destroy oil facilities just for the sake of adding to that sector of the rebuilding market.

David

[Anonymous]

The only way to rebuild it, was to tear it down? The only way to get Saddam was to take over? Assasanation is terrorism. What about the generations to follow for these people? A nation that has been oppressed for almost 40 years? Can this be a change that changes everything for them? Changes have happened before.

[JDavid]

If terrorism is to maliciously kill whoever happens to be around at the time, how can the deliberate, targeted assassination of a dictator and his party be terrorism?  Even if it is under the new blanket of defined terrorism, I wouldn't care.  Anything that meant 1200 people didn't get killed in the process would do just fine for me.

David

[Anonymous]

I know but 3000 were killed in 9/11. How many more terrorist attacks do we need before we showed force back.

[JDavid]

You know those 3000 basically died for Israel?  I bet they would have not died for Israel if they had a choice.  Our government refuses to give anyone a choice where Israel is concerned.  In the aftermath, our government sets up or continues to boost funds for a total of 30 huge US agencies all for the sake of Israel.  Our government would rather launch a massive training campaign in hopes that the National Guard will be able to squash the US citizens if we protest too much against elements of the Israeli agenda.  How long until we show force against what... Israel controlling the entire world in a two-tier caste system of Zionists and Gentiles?

David

On 2003-04-10 02:45:00, Anonymous wrote: "I know but 3000 were killed in 9/11. How many more terrorist attacks do we need before we showed force back. "

[ This Message was edited by: JDavid on 2003-04-10 19:33 ]

[Anonymous]

That's right. I knew that. Little Big Israel. I know a lot of Arabs are gonna hate us more now!?
I just wish we as a nation could do something that wasn't riddled with greed.
Otherwise, what next, decide to nuke the entire Middle East? Except for Isreal?...LOL

[Anonymous]

Project for a New American Century

Take some time and read the stuff at the below referenced sites.  If you don't know what I'm talking about.   I can tell you, it isn't gonna be over with just Iraq.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lo ... _pnac.html

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

[Froderik]

First of all, I'll start by saying I'm WAY behind when it comes to researching politics. I admit that my knowledge is limited in this area. I won't go into why I am almost 'apolitical'. I used to do NOTHING BUT read about media cover-ups, conspriracy 'theories', and all all that good stuff. I had a genuine desire to be as aware as i could be about this wonderful world of politics that we live in and are victims of. Anyhoo - a lot of this stuff is either over my friggin' head, or I just downright don't have the patience or desire to read about it. My interests lie elsewhere. I guess i ought to be stung up from a tree for not 'giving a shit'. Well there's just too damn much to sift thru.. Well here i go...I don't want this to turn into a rant. But here is my question...What about the Iraqis who are GLAD TO SEE THAT FUCKER DEAD? This kind of puts a dent in the whole protest thing in my eyes. Truthfully, zealousness on both sides makes me want to VOMIT! People tend to just want to 'form an opinion' and jump on whatever bandwagon comes rolling by. An example of how sickeningly ironic things can get is THIS:
I saw a woman on the news a few weeks back commenting on protesters here in Balto saying something derogatory about them, and her point was, "They shouldn't be protesting because that's what our boys are fighting to defend - the right to protest." Talk about some blatantly convoluted logic, well there it is! So until we meet again I guess it's "Live & let Live" and "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out", etc...

 :skull: 

[ This Message was edited by: AlexL on 2003-04-10 20:24 ]

[Anonymous]

World domination, complements of the US huh, okay, how bad could that really be?  Mc Donalds in every city in the entire world?!  It was bound to happen eventually. Everyone knows that most Americans are gluttonous pigs, especially the heads. Hey, as much as the rest of them hate us, It's a good thing we  can kick everyone's asses. No-one is comin' to our rescue! Giving them Israel would only give them more people to slaughter, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. So Alex, I agree with ya, nothin' we can do globally. Why bitch about it? I don't care how many hippies you've got forming a circle of love, they're out numbered.
Good for the Iraqis, it's about time for them, isn't it?

[Anonymous]

the americanization of the world according to those guys in the "inner circle" of the administration should be done via preemptive strikes.   They name Iraq, Iran, syria, russia, north korea, and many other  countries that should be invaded by the US.   Don't know about you guys, but that is kinda scary to me.

[JDavid]

Now the Iraqis get to live under the rule of the Imperial Republican government.  The Fox News version of democracy only for the elite and "as long as you aren't being tortured, you're free".

You know why the greens, anarchists and libertarians are outnumbered?  It's because all media is either republican or democrat.  All the satellite and cable news is republican while all the local news is democrat.  Mass media brainwashing.

It's not the war that made the Iraqis so happy.  It's the assassination of Saddam plus the others who either died or disappeared when 4 2000 lb bombs were dropped on one place.  This B-1 bombing did not kill 1200 people, but the war did.

So what next?  100 new Al Quidas form in retribution to the Iraq situation and coalition troops having to either stay there indefinitely or leave and let Turkey, Syria and Iran plow the shit out of each other and the Iraqis.

I don't mind helping out the Iraqis with getting the assassination dealt with, but I do think the only real solution would have been a solution carried out by Iraqis themselves.

[Anonymous]

"So what next? 100 new Al Quidas form in retribution to the Iraq situation and coalition troops having to either stay there indefinitely or leave and let Turkey, Syria and Iran plow the shit out of each other and the Iraqis. "

Like I said, let's nuke 'em all!?! Those guys can't take care of them selves?...so how cares?
 Media Brainwashing... I think intellegent people can educate them selves.
Iraqis aren't strong enough to re-build on their own.

[JDavid]

I'm saying how about if we not nuke or bomb anyone and realize why people hate us (and why they resort to terrorism).  If we stop pissing people off by ceasing to support a genocidal apartheid, that's a good thing.  It's also a good thing to stop trying to establish a US military presence all over the middle east.

It's not our place to judge if they can take care of themselves or not.  One thing is certain: they would have a hell of a lot more strength as 24 million individuals instead of relying on one central dictator (Saddam or not) to supply their strength.  It's not our place to evaluate their ability to rebuild on their own either.

I can't say I expect the masses to spend the kind of time I do looking for things outside the mass media.  Hell that could even be a disaster because there are tons of lies out here on the Internet too.  It's too hard to find the truth.  Instead, I would like to make the truth obsolete and quit relying on big government; it only leads to mass media influence (propaganda), misrepresented masses, internal and international conflict, capitalist corruption, and so on.

On 2003-04-11 05:35:00, Anonymous wrote: Like I said, let's nuke 'em all!?! Those guys can't take care of them selves?...so how cares?  Media Brainwashing... I think intellegent people can educate them selves. Iraqis aren't strong enough to re-build on their own. "

[ This Message was edited by: JDavid on 2003-04-11 12:02 ]

[Tampa survivor]

I love this thread....lots of good thinking and listening going on.  The bits about the constitution trouble me the most, as that is where my children have the most to loose.
Well, maybe that Ponzi known as Social security will cost them more (or us).....
Bill

[Anonymous]

On 2003-04-11 12:00:00, JDavid wrote: "I'm saying how about if we not nuke or bomb anyone and realize why people hate us (and why they resort to terrorism).  If we stop pissing people off by ceasing to support a genocidal apartheid, that's a good thing.  It's also a good thing to stop trying to establish a US military presence all over the middle east. It's not our place to judge if they can take care of themselves or not.  One thing is certain: they would have a hell of a lot more strength as 24 million individuals instead of relying on one central dictator (Saddam or not) to supply their strength.  It's not our place to evaluate their ability to rebuild on their own either. I can't say I expect the masses to spend the kind of time I do looking for things outside the mass media.  Hell that could even be a disaster because there are tons of lies out here on the Internet too.  It's too hard to find the truth.  Instead, I would like to make the truth obsolete and quit relying on big government; it only leads to mass media influence (propaganda), misrepresented masses, internal and international conflict, capitalist corruption, and so on."

 Wow, that is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time.