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Offline Oz girl

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« Reply #75 on: November 20, 2006, 04:37:25 AM »
BTW ant. i am not sure i will even want to know the answer to this for fear that i will have an attack of the vapours and need to fortify myself with a G&t stat, but what is a Dry county? Please Please tell me it is not a county that bans Alcohol! That would be so terribly wrong!
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« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2006, 11:20:41 AM »
Wicca doesn't market.  People find us.

Almost all of Neo-Paganism is the same way.

We answer questions if someone asks, but with very few oddball exceptions, we don't care if we get more members or not.  We don't think anything bad is going to happen to the people who don't join up, so why bother?

Proselytizing is annoying to the person targetted and a pain in the neck when you could be out just living your life.

Yet various censuses and surveys list us as one of the fastest growing religions, if not the fastest.

Most of us find that interesting, maybe pretty cool, but not enough to go out and try to get people in.  Many of us find the hordes of new people a bad thing as new people tend to come in on their own with no teaching and barely a nodding acquaintance with the religion, and can frequently be downright embarrassing in their ignorance when they represent us to others.

We get members from books, but it's not a marketing strategy.  Individual neo-pagans want to write books and think they can sell books, so they do the free enterprise thing.  The authors are more marketing themselves than us.

But people are beating down our doors.  Go figure.

I guess some religions flourish without marketing themselves because people notice it's there and want in on their own.

Does a wild apple tree in an open field up next to the road, clearly on public land, have to market its fruit?

Go figure.

Julie
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« Reply #77 on: November 20, 2006, 11:40:25 AM »
PS--not a sales pitch.  I'm just disputing the assertion that religions would die out without marketing.

The grass doesn't market itself to the soil, it just grows there.

Most of the religions of the world don't proselytize.  Muslims and Christians are fairly unusual in that they do.

It's just that large numbers of people apparently want to have a religion, so they go out and find one on their own.

If it doesn't involve a deliberate effort to sell a product, it's not marketing.

My religion can't be unique in simply not caring if the children adopt it or not.  We don't think anything bad is going to happen to people if they don't join up, so as long as our kids are nice people, almost none of us care whether they have a religion or what it is.

Julie
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« Reply #78 on: November 20, 2006, 09:53:01 PM »
Julie,

How can people be "beating down" your doors. I thought Wiccans worshipped outside. No doors, just a circle.

I like to shock the more conservative members of my family by informing them the minister that married me is an ordained witch. He is, of course, a Wiccan. He is also an ordained UU minister.

While I enjoyed Wiccan rituals, I found I could never take it seriously. It was like theatre, or a game, to me.
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« Reply #79 on: November 20, 2006, 09:56:17 PM »
Quote from: ""Oz girl""
BTW ant. i am not sure i will even want to know the answer to this for fear that i will have an attack of the vapours and need to fortify myself with a G&t stat, but what is a Dry county? Please Please tell me it is not a county that bans Alcohol! That would be so terribly wrong!


Yes indeed, a dry county bans the sale of alcohol. Actually, I was not really correct in saying that my county is dry. It was. They only ban sales on Sunday now. There are still dry counties, however. One of the most famous dry counties is also home to one of the Nation's largest whiskey producers. Go figure.
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« Reply #80 on: November 20, 2006, 10:04:02 PM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
I've successfully avoided this discussion so far and I don't intend to start now, but there is one thing I can't pass up...

AA, you let your 9-year-old continue to believe in Santa Claus? What the fuck is wrong with you? It looks like he's learning critical thinking skills on his own anyway, but jesus FUCK. Maybe this is because of my dad's adamant refusal to tell me anything but the truth about that (ever, at any age), but I'm absolutely mystified about how you of all people let a 9-year-old (NINE! FUCKING NINE!) continue to believe that.


My take is that he is pretending to believe in Santa because he fears that if he does not, the pretend Santas won't deliver the goods anymore. That is how I used to play it as a kid.
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« Reply #81 on: November 20, 2006, 10:30:00 PM »
Surely this must have a disasterous effect on the property values of the houses.  This sounds just terrible. I am aghast.
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« Reply #82 on: November 21, 2006, 09:15:11 AM »
Quote from: ""AtomicAnt""
Julie,

How can people be "beating down" your doors. I thought Wiccans worshipped outside. No doors, just a circle.

I like to shock the more conservative members of my family by informing them the minister that married me is an ordained witch. He is, of course, a Wiccan. He is also an ordained UU minister.

While I enjoyed Wiccan rituals, I found I could never take it seriously. It was like theatre, or a game, to me.


You've never seen anyone cut a door in a circle? :-)

On the other, hey, whatever rakes your leaves.

Julie
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