The Oscars...Michael Moore.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-03-31 06:02:00, ClayL wrote: "Everyone hate America? This is not so. France and Germany are NOT Europe. The Majority of European Nations support out action in Iraq. I do not think we should wipe out all people that hate America, I think we should cut off the aid they get from America. The US gives, by a huge margin, the most foreign aid in the world. We are the most giving nation in the history of the world. Any person will agree there is a difference between an idioit in a car loaded with C-4 and an idiot in a car loaded with a WMD. (Tell me, does it kill you when Diane Finstein puts a machine gun in the same group as nuclear, bio and chemical weapons?) Saddam Husein was trying to enable the terrorists to gain WMD's. I believe that most anything must be done to insure that this does not happen. As far as the Patriot Act(s). I do not think some of the clauses will pass Constitutional muster and the Supremes will strike down portions of this law/bill as violating the 4th and 5th Ammendments. If this court won't, then some furture Court will. I suspect the Founders wrote the Constitution to enable the US to kick the shit out of whomever we wanted and not get much else done. It specifically protects the privacy of the citizen from the government and so states quite plainly. Which is odd for the Constitution. It was only when FDR invented entitlements that the Government got to waste boatloads of money to do nothing. CL"

Oh, ClayL  
Apologists for the Bush administration just don't get it.  When you say these nations "support" the war, do you mean the governments or the people?  
The majority of European countries do NOT support the war in Iraq.  And the "Coalition of the Willing" should be renamed the "Coalition of the Coerced" few of whom are providing any material support in any case, and it ain't the people, it's the governments.  
After 9-11, I wept.   Americans asked "Why do they hate us" The world does not hate you.  They hate what various administrations have done in your name.  Like the secret carpet bombing of Cambodia resulting ultimately in the demand by students at the Uiversity of Texas, for example, that Henry Kissinger be tried for War crimes.  

Like US adventures in Chile (the deposition and murder of the democratically elected president), Guatamala, El Salvador, and now the attempts by the US to bring about the overthrow of the democratically elected President of Venezuela (whch the New York Times prematurely crowed about.  Then there's the Panama deception and Plan Colombia which is not really about drugs.

But then, you wouldn't know about these things because the US Media are in a war frenzy.  What I would suggest you do is look to media outside of the States to obtain some balance.

Read Noam Chomsky.

[Anonymous]

Damn.

[Anonymous]

Just a question, has anyone here who defends your right to bare arms ever lived in a country that doesn't? Because I have, and it's quite obvious that the crime rate is lower and society runs with more arguement than threat.

Micheal Moore is a great person and I think that it was appropriate for him to say what he did considering what he won the award for.

[Froderik]

I would never give up my right to "bare arms" even though I have tattoos all over them.  :rofl:
Seriously though, Anonymous, I'm not really into guns, but I firmly believe that we have the right to keep and bear 'em! As long as the cops can have them, then so should we! Period.
This topic is almost not worth discussing, and you'll never change my mind, or the minds of many others. Love it or leave it, pal!

[ This Message was edited by: AlexL on 2003-04-03 06:56 ]

[ClayL]

On 2003-03-29 04:53:00, kpickle39 wrote: "300% over what?  that is the critical question.  If there were 10 shooting deaths in year 1, and it went up 300% in year 2.... then 300% ain't much.  Very easy to lie w/stats. "

Tell this to the additional victims....

CL

[ClayL]

I would suspect that you require a blood tranfusion every day to prevent your bleeding heart from bleeding out. The source of my information is the London Times amoung others; people from academia included. What is the source of your pathetic diatribe?

Despite what you believe, most of the people executed inthe US are white males not black. Further, what makes you think that I think execution anything other than state sponsored murder?

Also, what's up with the use of the "N" word anyway? Surely didn't add anything to your arguments. I may be from the south, but that does not make me sheet wearing, bigoted, river bottom white trash. That you would think that seriously impinges on your ability for critical thinking. Further I resent the stereo type and wonder even more where you get your information. Probably from the television.

While the drug trade has a correlation to todays gun problem in GB, GB started passing gun laws shortly after WW1 because Parliment was worried about communism. Interestingly enough, GB started showing an increase in gun crime at the same time. Further, with each tightening of GB's gun laws there was a corresponding increase in gun crime. This is not something that has just gone POOF! we have a problem. It is something where a correclation can be shown to tightened laws.

I would suspect that you are one of our Canadian brethren from the Great White North. How's that Gun registery comming? Need another Billion or so to make it work? You do of course realize that the people in the hinterlands are not supportive of it don't you?

CL

[ClayL]

Apologist?

Hey buddy, I not apologizeing for shit!

CL

PS Who the fuck is Noam Chomshy and why should I read him? From your writing he sounds like a Pinko Commie Bastard. I don't read things that piss me off much. I got enough of this liberal BS from my college professors. Now I make more than most of them.....

[ This Message was edited by: ClayL on 2003-04-03 07:47 ]

[kpickle39]

I'm just saying that when you say things like you do, you should look at the entire picture, and the percentage increase and the raw numbers do make a diff....easy to lie w/stats.

[ClayL]

I know, I don't think I was the one who played magical numbers. I'm just giving you shit, Kpickle39.

CL

[kpickle39]

ok, sometimes I am too darn gullable.   LOL - take care, hope to see you in July.

[85 Day Jerk]

A year before I entered the program, I went hunting with my grandfather for the first time. I used his double barreled Remington .20 guage.  Up until that point I had only fired BB guns.  He showed me how to properly handle it, and the proper way to walk with one, barrel down, with the stock resting in the crook of the elbow.
    The first shot put nine holes in the can he had set on a log.  Second shot put 19 in the next can.  Thats gun control right there, hitting what you aimed at.  I did'nt rush right home afterwords and beg for a shotgun for Christmas, the only game to shoot in Largo Florida were Impalas, Cougars, Jaguars and an occasional Roadrunner.  They were illegal to hunt because they were made of glass and steel and had people inside them.  As for home defense, baseball bats get the job done too.  I don't own a gun simply because I don't need one.  A gun in the hand is alot like suicide......  a permanent solution to a temporary problem, especially when you are pointing one at someone you know.