Someone's shit don't smell so good!

[Snerdly_Marxs]

Someone's shit don't smell so good! Come on TSW you cunt be a teamplayer and stop trying fuck things up with Cafety. They have a good thing going and you are screwing everything up with your big ass mouth.





Check this shit out!

blombro says:

"Therapeutic Boarding Schools" are often located in rural communities. There are two potential relationships that occur between the institution and the community. The first is that they are self-contained and operate very much like a cult. They operate with very little influence or input from the local government. They and the communities they operate in keep to themselves.

The second relationship is when communities openly embrace these schools as a way to stimulate the local economy. Without the schools, local tax revenue would shrink and hundreds of people would be out of jobs.

CAFETY must recognize the difference of communities who want the schools to stay and those who would be happy to see them go and tailor the approach for institutional reform (as opposed to regulatory or government refrom) on a case by case basis.

Dan The Chainsawman aka Fuckwad TSW Says:

If I have to choose I will always choose the kids. The safety and health of the kids are of far greater importance than the local economy of rural America. I understand and sympathize with those who need jobs. However, I will not support jobs at the expense of the safety and health of the kids. TBS programs have been proven to be notoriously ineffective and abusive. Their doesn't need to be a case by case basis to determine the impact on the economy, they need to be run out of business even if the locals dislike the idea of having to go back to work at the truck stop.


The kids are my primary concern.

Not the economy of St. George, Utah.

My main playah Blombro says:

That last post was more about the realities we face. The political opposition to shutting a school down is going to be stronger where the community supports the school than when it doesn't.

Furthermore, it's more a caution against shutting a school down as nice as that would be. If we shut it down in one place it may just spring up in another where the locals would be happy to have them. But obviously in a pefect world these places wouldn't exist in the first place.

Idiot asshole Danny Boy says:

Then you keep shutting them down. This hasn't a thing to do with economic or political realities. It is about doing the right thing for kids. Leaving schools open to ply their dirty trade, even under government legislation, is tantamount to approving child abuse.

Beez , takes time off from humping a camel in Iraq, (hahah bitch!) Sez:

But as we have seen, there are programs which work, don't abuse kids, and actually help teens out. We cannot stereotype a large group based on the actions of some (possibly most) of this group. Outlawing these places would be near impossible, with their income and political connections. The best we can hope for is regulation.

Asshole TSW/Danny dumbshit says:

As for regulation what a bloody joke. Straight INC was regulated. It now has the noteriety of being one of the most abusive programs in American history. It was regulated so well that when it shut down it became Kids Help Kids the very same day. They are regulated also.

Florida probably has more regulations than the entire USA put together for their contracted facilities.

The name Martin Anderson ring a bell?



Heck don't listen to me any, I don't know what the hell I am talking about.

Nah I never witnessed CPS workers being lied to.

Nah I never witnessed paperwork being doctored to omit certain facts that would indicate all sorts of crap that happened when it shouldn't have.

Nah I never witnessed parents being lied to by family workers.

Nor did I witness riots being swept under the rug.

Nor did I watch state annual inspections being brushed off as if they were a joke, because they damn well where a joke.


Seriously, do you think for two seconds regulations are going to change much of anything for an extended period of time?

I hate to break the bad news for you, but it won't.

It hasn't to date, and it won't ever change much of anything.

If the best we can hope for is regulation then the kids are friggin doomed.


The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. The price of the freedom of the kids is not going to be handing off the job to the federal government with the delusional fantasy that they are going to fixee fixee makee all better. The price is going to be a dedicated core of people taking the long view of working to smash facilities that are abusive, and or use practices theraputic practices known to be ineffective.

My god.. if regulation is the best you all can come up with the kids are totally fucked.

Blombro, My hero!!( I want to have your baby you sex boy you!) sez:

Regulation by itself is ineffective, because you actually need someone to enforce the regulation, which for about 75% of troublesome facilities there is regulation.

Just shutting down the facilities isn't entirely effective because they're bound to crop up somewhere else in some other form.

As long as their is a demand for these facilities both by the parents who send their kids there and the communities which support them, they will exist. It is not a pleasant reality, it just is. I don't like it, you don't like it, I don't think anyone here likes it.

For us to be successful we need to both attack the supply side and the demand side. The demand side, by educating the public (parents, schools, students) about community based care. And the supply side by making it difficult or impossible for facilities to operate, or at the very least improve the conditions of care.

To really solve the problem in the long term we will need to affect the demand side. Remember the drug war? You can cut off supply, but it doesn't solve the problem, it just makes the product more profitable, encouraging more people to try to circumvent the law to make a profit.

Same rules of economics apply here. We want to cut demand, make it impossible to abuse children, but let legitimate operators make a profit under strict regulation which actually gets enforced. It's not so much the regulation it's the enforcement.

Later, I'll try to flesh this out a little bit better.

Dan The chainsawman/fucking retardo Three Springs Bitch Sez:

Sounds as if Old John Brown would be rolling in his grave at this moment.

Shutting down a bad facility elimnates a bad facility. You don't leave a cancerous tumor in a healthy host, you cut it out, and eliminate it with extreme prejudice.

Go after the owners in the following manners:

1) Organize class action lawsuits.

2) Connect the owners and operators to criminal complaints.

3) Follow up on those criminal complaints.

4) Encourage legislation on the federal level that prohibits people convicted of felonies and misdemanors against minors from working with children anywhere in the USA.

5) Keep up a continous flow of pressure on the owners and operators via the media and word of mouth information. Don't let them go a single day without being reminded of their crimes against children.

6) Make sure their neighboors know about it.

7) Make sure their employers know about it.

Make sure their children know that daddy or mummy is a child abuser.

9) Let the whole world know about these people who make money off the pain and suffering of children.

Compromises are the resort of the weak who have no stomach for a long term fight. If you think this is going to be over in 5 years you are flat out mistaken. This is the sort of struggle that is going to go on for the next 30 to 40 years. Yes the education aspect is dead on, and it is the only thing I fully agree with as it takes the long view in this struggle.

I personally don't think any of this will really end until someone slams a consitutional ammendment through giving kids due process rights.



I do completely disagree with the notion that shutting down good facilities is unfair.

Why?

Good facilities don't really exist. If you think about it good facilites are the places all your buddies went that you wished you could have gone. Sure they are nicer, but in the end they still espouse the same basic set of conditions as every other dump. Sooner or later those good facilities become bad ones. It always seems to happen as you have staff coming and going, or financial pressure to survive makes the school take students who are so far out in left field it makes the kid that set his poodle on fire look normal. Then you have the cost cutting on training hours and the whole sad sorrid affair.

Soon you have some puss festering death trap of a hell hole that treats kids like concentration camp internees. It happens all the time, I watched it happen before myself. It has been happening at one of the places I used to work. Every week they loose more staff, they get more kids, and conditions get even more dangerous. This place used to be one of the good facilities. Now its a hell hole of the first order. Things were pretty damn bad when I was there, but they have gotten even worst and to the point that they have disbanded a group due to the ability to retain staff and shipped a bunch of 12 year olds off to the older kid's groups.

I don't even believe in the concept of privately owned Theraputic Facilities for children. The state facilities aren't even much better, but at least you have state provided access to child abuse resources.

TBS is a business founded on evil. Tar and feather that son of a bitch and run it out of town on a rail. You remember Benito Mussoulini right? The facist dictator of Italy? He did some good stuff for Italy, and he genuinely tried to help people, but in the end he was evil scumbag. He was hung from a lamp post dead with his corpse riddled with bullets.

Bottom line you can't be afraid of upsetting people. This whole pussy footing around with the "good" facilities and passing some laws is a crock. I can't be arsed to concern myself with those who piss and moan about the fairness about it all. I don't give a damn about regurgitating some toothless laws. I reread EICA last night and busted up laughing. What a ozzing pile of farcial shit! Is that the horse we are backing up in here? Oh my god! The only thing I could think about is how easy it would be to get around it all as a counselor and a program owner.


I only give a damn about the kids who are out on the sharp end, and regulating an industry based on evil just isn't going to work for me, and sadly in the end it won't work for those kids either.


DON'T SELL OUT THE KIDS!

[Snerdly_Marxs]

FucK YOU TSW!

[Anonymous]

What the fuck is all that shit?

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure I understand.  What's your problem with what TSW posted?

[Snerdly_Marxs]

The problem is he is fucking shit up. He is the only of the entire board pretty much who objects to just about everything that is posted.


What the is with that?

What gives that asshole the right to object on anyone's board?

Most of the people on that board are survivors. He is some fucker who beat kids for money in a program.

[Anonymous]

The problem is he is fucking shit up.

What the hell does that mean?

He is the only of the entire board pretty much who objects to just about everything that is posted.

So you want him to just agree with whatever you say?  Alrighty.

What the is with that?

Maybe he doesn't agree with you.

What gives that asshole the right to object on anyone's board?

The First Amendment.

Most of the people on that board are survivors. He is some fucker who beat kids for money in a program.

No he used to work at an abusive place and now spends his energies trying to shut them down.



I'm sorry, I'm failing to see a problem here.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, he sounds like a real asshole in this post, huh?. :roll:  Again, I'm failing to see the problem other than he happens to disagree with you.  Is that not allowed?  And why the objection to him going over there?  I mean jesus christ, I'm always seeing links to CAFETY that you guys post here.



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Re:ED CONS - 2006/09/09 02:09

Honestly I see what you are trying to do and I think it has a lot of merit. I just can't be arsed to take a card carrying member of the Fraternal order of Drunk Ed Cons all that seriously. Most of these clowns are fly by night yahoos who should be thrown in the ocean.

Go see this link: This ed con group actually tries to make itself look seriously professional or something. pbbbbbbbttttttt yeah right.

http://www.educationalconsulting.org/pd ... y_list.pdf


Here is another:

http://www.hecaonline.org/join.htm

This HECA group does not seem to specialize in actual TB schools, but they do have that catergory availiable on their sign up form.

I put ed cons on about the same level as a pet monkey, just not as smart, and they throw more crap at you. Anywhere, anytime, anyway you need quality chaos delivered for low rates please enquire within.

[Snerdly_Marxs]

Why don't you take the time to read what that fool is posing?


Look carefully that dumbfuck is advocating terrorism at best.

[Anonymous]

Really?  Where?

[Snerdly_Marxs]

TSW Manbitch sez:

5) Keep up a continous flow of pressure on the owners and operators via the media and word of mouth information. Don't let them go a single day without being reminded of their crimes against children.

6) Make sure their neighboors know about it.

7) Make sure their employers know about it.

Make sure their children know that daddy or mummy is a child abuser.



It is the sort of shit like this I am talking about. Also I hate his damn arrogance.

What is it with you TSW? Are you ALWAYS Right or something?


Fuck YOU!

[Anonymous]

Alright, so you disagree with him about some things and you don't like him.  That's life babe.  Get used to it.  Hell, I don't agree with everything everybody says around here and I definitely don't like some people here (and even more over there).  I manage to maintain.  What's your deal?

[Anonymous]

I hate him because he is fucking up a good bunch of people who want to actually create meaningful change. Cafety.org has some good things going for them and I support them. Danny Dumbshit is out to block every single one of their efforts.

FUCK you TSW!

[Anonymous]

He's stating his opinion.  I don't agree with everything he says or the way he says it by any means but again, I manage to maintain.  Why is that such a problem for you?

[Anonymous]

Whoever this dude is, some program sure fried his brain but good. Bet his folks are real proud they got all their moneys worth.

Stop pickin on Dan. He's a reformed teenbeater tryin to do good now. There's plenty more reforming to be done.

[Anonymous]

So you came here to tattle on him like anyone here can or wants to do anything about it? Seriously -- what is the point of this thread?