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« on: December 07, 2003, 04:21:00 PM »
I am looking for any first hand information on Excel. My child will finish a wilderness program and I am looking for aftercare. Does anyone have any info? Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2003, 11:38:00 AM »
What was the purpose in sending your kid to a wilderness program in the first place, and why can't they come home for their "aftercare"?  Seems to me that if a kid can make it through one of these wilderness camps, they are tough enough to survive adolescence without being locked up in some money-making TBS.  What are you afraid of? Your kid dying or going to jail if you don't spend $40k a year submerging them in a "Controlled Environment"? Get real. Send them to a regular boarding school, if you must, where they can get an education and use the bathroom or shower without staff or an upper level student watching.

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2003, 05:28:00 PM »
This "mom" sounds like she is trolling for something other than info about some aftercare program.  Beware of anonymous posters asking for info about programs, in general, or specific to a certain program.  Could be a booby trap.  

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2003, 11:33:00 PM »
I sent my son to a wilderness program because his drug use was interfering with his life. He couldn't see it even when he was is trouble with the law and gangs. I had hoped the wilderness experience would help him come to his senses but he still can't wait to get out and go back to the same lifestyle. I don't know what else to do. Do you have any honest ideas on what I could do? The other boarding schools I looked into won't take him because of his problems with the law and his drug problems. I am looking for a place that can help him with his academics and counseling. I have no ulterior motives. Just looking for honest information.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2003, 12:51:00 AM »
Honestly, if the kid is flaunting the law and not taking direction from you, there's really nothing you can do to force him to mend his ways. He's going to have to figure this out for himself.

You can help, though, by not becoming his enemy or by making friends with him again if you're already his enemy.

Just don't fall for the mythology that drugs control people. They don't. He doesn't need you to rescue him from some evil controling influence. He's got to take responsibility for his own life.

But no, there are no places that can fix anybody who doesn't want to be fixed. There are plenty of people who will tell you they can do that. And most of them actually believe it. But there's only one way to change a person against their will. You have to break their will. And that, most often, does more harm than good.

More than likely, he'll figure out that you were right about some things. Just don't make that any harder for him to admit than it has to be.



Real criminals walk free every day to rape, rob, and murder again because the courts are so busy finding consensual criminals guilty of hurting no one but themselves.... To free cells for consensual criminals, real criminals are put on the street every day.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2003, 08:20:00 AM »
I sent my son to a wilderness program because his drug use was interfering with his life.***

Which Wilderness Program?
Who recommended Excel?
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2003, 12:07:00 AM »
Aspen Achievement Academy in Utah. No one recommended Excel. I have just been on the internet trying to find a residential treatment facility that will meet both of the requirements, academics and counseling. Excel seems to be a good fit. I guess I just want to know if anyone has had good experiences there or are they like the rest?
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2003, 12:39:00 AM »
mom, the interent is a wealth of information, I also have my own webpage, I could go to it now and change everything on it is roughly 30 minutes or less.

why do you want to send him away to get treatment as opposed to having him with you.

I am not trying to be oppositional or defiant here but I can guarantee you that the outcome is not going to be what you desire.

You will have the resentment, lack of trust, alienation and isolation from you child that as a mother I would never want. You cannot change that. You will not have his trust again. The fact that he still covets his old lifestyle is proof enough now. Why not relocate you and him.

Why is it you will just change him and not both of you.

You probably won't but I am sitting here in sadness knowing that your son will end up like one of us, a suicide, a runaway, estranged from you or on this board I beg you go to the Elan forum read the posts their. Do they seem better to you?
post back and tell me I will not berate you I promise.

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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2003, 01:10:00 AM »
I would  prefer for him to be home but I can't controll his friends and all the trouble he gets into. I am truely worried for his safety especially because of his gang friends. I have read the posts on the Elan site and that is why I am asking about Excel. I want to know if it is the same garbage or a good place to send a kid who needs help?
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2004, 11:39:00 PM »
I am a co-parent of two wonderful girls that have turned out so well. One is now 28, the other 27.

We had our hard times and problems, but my wife and I never gave up on the girls although one of them was a bit promiscuious for a short time. They both went through a terrible time of rebellion.

We have an advantage in that my wife and I were both raised in a really good home environment ourselves. My home environment was probably better than my wife's even.

Further more, we set moral and ethical standards in a loving environment for them. We warned them of the dangers of drug use, alcohol and smoking. We wanted them to be well prepared for puberty and then adult life. Even with the both of us woking so diligently there was a short period of time that we wondered if anything we had done in the children's lives had stuck.

Then as they emerged from teen age and found mates, settled down and married the fruit of our sometimes difficult labors began to appear.

Now both the girls are solid, strong, headed down a good path to sucessful lives. I wish thier spiritual lives were a bit better, but that is something they must take from thier upbringing and sort out for themselves.

I say all that to say this, I do not have an indication our poster in this topic has the assistance of a co-parent. The basic fundamental design  of the family unit from the beginning was man woman, marry, produce offspring, raise and train them and send them out to do the same. This is how society has continued since the beginning of time.

Problem is our poster appears to be a victim of our modern society. It is Godless, hedonistic and self serving. I am not sure if she has a co=parent, a father to help with this difficult and delicate time of her son's life. If she does not, that is a great disadvantage and is another product of this modern age. Often the man that has helped to bring this child into the world sees another woman he takes a fancy for and leaves his current mate for the new one. Again, society has now began to approve this dispicable behaviour. Men are sexually oriented, lust driven, gut motivated and respond to animal passions much like insects respond to ferimones.

I do not mean to be so hard on men since I am one, but come on guys, you really like to look up a short skirt if the skirt is on somebody else beside your wife. We have all been guilty of it or at least tempted to do it. Tbis carnalistic society condones and even encourages it.

If the values and precepts of the Bible were taught and lived by the ministry instead the ministry themselves being indited of sexual sins. this country and world would be a better place.

I do not know what you have done with your son, but I recommend a Big Brother program or a mentor program of some kind in your local community. I have almost 30 years myself invested in working with at risk teens and adults myself and believe a local relationship that you can monitor and keep tabs on is much better than an out of town live in program. Many live in programs stay constantly in trouble with the state or local officials because it is so easy for a live in program to abuse and mistreat a child.

In my experience "live in" programs are at best a great risk. What is displayed on these "live in" programs on thier websites looks very reassuring and safe for your child and relieving for you. The real daily life at "live in" facilities is only revealed AFTER the child is in the flow of the program living on campus. If the "live in" program is abusive and coercive you may not find out until it is way to late.

Fact of the matter is the child did not, generally as a rule, ask to be born into your home. He/She deserves a home life that is a stage for development into the life he/she one day will face as an adult. If you simply throw up your hands and ferry the son off to an out of town program, what if he comes back not anything the person you want him to be?

I respect you for being so concerned about your son. But tough love for you, as well as him, is you need to parent your son. Now is a critical time. I know I rebelled for 1 day against my mom and my dad busted my but. I respected him and her much more after that.

Now I know all the bleeding hearts in the universe will be up in arms. I can already hear them "Oh my God, This Man advocates VIOLENCE against children!!!!!" No, startroopers, I DO NOT.

But, firm discipline in whatwever form you are comfortable with that IS NOT abusive must be dispensed NOW. If you send that kid away he will hate you in his heart of hearts for the rest of his life.

Look, I do not know if dad is still there, if not why or whatever. For the purposes of getting son's life together I could give a rip about why you and dad are still not together if you are not.

I care about the boy, what will become of him. If he is a product of your bad choices, what will he become.Will he produce the same misery in 18 to 20 more years? The cycle has to be broken.

Parent that boy. Drag him to the Boys Club. Find a mentoring program. Go to a good local church that has a good track record with at risk teens. The worst mistake in your and HIS life will be allowing some bunch of potentially abusive strangers finish the job you are responsible for as his parent of custody.

I don't mean to be hard, but tough love is frank, blunt and effective if heeded.

God bless you and the best to both of you.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2005, 10:30:00 PM »
I went to excel. what do you want to know?
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2005, 12:08:00 PM »
its funny only anon people here suggest sending your kid away. obviously someone has a financial interest here... and it ain't the people handing out warning against these abusive, murerous program. be very caerful and forewarned, danger ahead, danger ahead!  :skull:  :skull:
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2005, 05:32:00 PM »
Excel was a fucking breeze , a cake walk, get over the place, I wish I was still there so I could punch the crocodile tears off of your face
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2005, 05:33:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-24 09:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"its funny only anon people here suggest sending your kid away. obviously someone has a financial interest here... and it ain't the people handing out warning against these abusive, murerous program. be very caerful and forewarned, danger ahead, danger ahead!  :skull:  :skull: "
Hmmm, funny, arent YOU ANON too? Jesus these kids are PATHETIC
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punch the crocodile tears off of your face[/quote]
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2011, 02:16:46 PM »
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Excel was a fucking breeze , a cake walk, get over the place, I wish I was still there so I could punch the crocodile tears off of your face


Is this the way Excel teaches you to deal with the weaker students? " punch the crocodile tears off of your face"
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