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« on: September 20, 2006, 07:36:44 PM »
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Originally posted by WillieNelson:
Fornits has a very clear agenda- to bash all teen help programs. It is a very biased site filled with incorrect information posted by people who have no experience with the programs or whose experiences occurred several decades ago.
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This is demonstrably false on many levels. Anyone who reads the site can verify this, although I do agree that most of the posters on fornits are "anti-program," insofar as "program" means "unlicensed, unregulated, abusive behavior modification center." Fornits, however, as I stated before, is merely a free to use, unmoderated message board - not a business of any kind.


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 It appears you registered for this site for the sole purpose of making sure the readers know about the recent lawsuit.
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Willie, please try to refrain from speculating about my motives for registering for this site. Your speculation is wildly inaccurate. My comment was designed to demonstrate that there is a bias to this website and how it reports "news" about the teen-help industry. I think my point was made abundantly clear, and I believe you have further demonstrated that self-same bias by posting the ignorant statement quoted above in regard to the content on fornits. You clearly have not used it as a research tool or, apparently, even taken the trouble to read the content. In this way, false premises ("Fornits has a very clear agenda- to bash all teen help programs") trump reality.



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I remind you that anyone with $50 or so can file a lawsuit. Until the merits are demonstrated by evidence at trial, it is not worth a whole lot. So-time will tell.
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Yes, Willie, I'm fully aware of that fact. Since you mention it, however, this lawsuit is simply another piece of a growing body of evidence that shows that this particular program has been operating in a fraudulent manner and has exercised gross negligence in its dealings with its attendees and their loved ones. I suppose you can understand that this lawsuit is a result of years of investigations - that are still ongoing - into this facility and its principles by quite literally a dozen different entities including CPS, IRS, FBI, DFACS among several others, including both governmental agencies and oversight committes. I suspect there will be some criminal charges as well. This is not a personal injury case brought by shylocks and ambulance chasers, Willie - this is the real deal.

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I think it is important to remember that like the parents say many of the Fornits posters are not parents themselves, the parents were never in programs like the majority of the posters on Fornits. Also it is important to undersand that many of the reactions are emotional reactions. These posters have been traumatized and want to do everythng in their power not to have someone else be traumatizd also.I think some people have to understand that more.I think some posters here lack emotional intelligence.Also, There are some parents who had kids in programs who are anti-program at least to a certain degree. How about Karen Burnett? She was a parent of a son in more than one program and is anti program to a certain extent. So, I hope I have provided some food for thought also.

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Also it is important to undersand that many of the reactions are emotional reactions. These posters have been traumatized and want to do everythng in their power not to have someone else be traumatizd also.
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I belive this to be a bang-on assessment of the motive of a very large segment of fornits posters.

There are also several former TBS/OBH/RTC staff members who have insight into what transpires in many of these places that fully corroborates victims' accounts - things that parents have seldom heard and almost never seen.

In order for one to appreciate fully the teen-help business, one must have a clear understanding of exactly what happens behind closed doors at some of these facilities. I've no doubt but that many of the posters on this site, if they were ever to get an unvarnished, unedited viewing of what happens to some children in the name of "helping" them, their perspectives would be greatly altered from their present paradigm.

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 08:27:11 PM »
I have been learning about this industry since around early 04 late 03 and I have been posting for a little and I think that was my most effective post to date. I am Mikey here and Michael Muldoon on ST.i think I will change my user name to Michael Muldoon here also.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 08:32:29 PM »
I meant posts to date.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 08:53:19 PM »
Gloating's great, ain't it DJ?

You'd think having the HLA lawsuit rammed down their throats like a foot of moose cock would alert the struggling tards that something's wrong in fantasyland, but I'm not so optimistic. Maybe a few of the lurkers might twig, but the regulars are so thoroughly buried in shit that you'd need construction equipment to get them out.

But you have the chance of opening some eyes, and I suppose that makes it worth it.

I'm not posting there, though. Place gives me the fucking creeps.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 10:57:24 PM »
But surely they wouldn't want to deprive themselves of your experience and insights simply because you're telling them what they don't want to hear?
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2006, 08:27:59 AM »
Well, in any case, over at ST, it's best to fight fire with water I suppose.  If you do shoot back with the insults and childish remarks that folks like WillieNelson (bad choice of name for hard-line, non-thinking, exceedingly ignorant poster-and an insult to the real Willie) hurl about will only result in a ban for you, while the site admin there will allow posters like Willie to carry on with their ad-hominem rantings.
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2006, 02:50:55 PM »
Anyone remember what they satd to me?

"We're just support for parents, not to hold anyone accountable".

I doubt that little slant is gonna go anywhere this time soon.
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2006, 02:56:48 PM »
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  posted September 21, 2006 05:36 AM                        
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Your position has no credibility since you lump all programs together. You have little knowledge and try to base your opinion of all programs on your experience with, at most, one program. Your site and your opinions are laughable and we can assure you that you have taken the perfectly wrong approach to communicating any message.
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Willie, your rhetoric and hyperbole are what have no credibility. Also, your broad-brush assumptions about me (and many others) couldn't be further from the truth.

Reality is that I am an educated professional holding two advanced degrees and having over a decade of experience working in and around this industry. Your knowledge, however, seems to stem from placing your child in a program. To someone like myself who takes these issues seriously and has dedicated many years to studying and seeking solutions to the obvious problems, your comments don't pass the "smell test."

Willie, I hope you understand that by spouting demonstrably false claims and personally deriding and degrading people with a differing viewpoint you erode only your own credibility, and, by extension, those who patronize this forum who generally accept the falsehoods you produce without question.

Your parochial viewpoint is not only well off the mark, it illustrates the close-mindedness, out-of-hand rejection of provable, publicly available facts and extirpation of the scientific method that is rampant in this industry. If you actually knew more about it and knew what you were talking about in regard to it, you would surely understand these obvious points.

It is precisely this type of anti-intellectualism that permeates this industry and Willie has done a wonderful job of bringing it to the forefront of the discussion (which, by the way, Willie has successfully thread-jacked from the original poster).

So, Willie, if you'd like to carry on with your factually bereft hyperbole, why not start a new thread called "I Hate Fornits" and carry on in the appropriate venue?

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Take that, WillieNelson, you little bitch.  You got fucking OWNED.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2006, 03:16:15 PM »
YOU GON GIT BANNED!
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2006, 03:27:56 PM »
Che sera sera...  The fact remains that there's major ownaj going on over there.
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2006, 04:32:03 PM »
That's funny.  You made Willie your bitch-boy.
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2006, 05:14:18 PM »
You think you scored points over on ST?  Well, I have some land to sell you.  Keep patting yourself on the back while we all laugh.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2006, 05:35:19 PM »
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You think you scored points over on ST?  Well, I have some land to sell you.  Keep patting yourself on the back while we all laugh.



and your kids cry. ::noway::
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2006, 05:47:14 PM »
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You think you scored points over on ST?

I know so!
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2006, 06:56:11 PM »
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You think you scored points over on ST?  Well, I have some land to sell you.  Keep patting yourself on the back while we all laugh.


this is none other than willie himself.  straight outta nashville (no that's not a joke).

willie, you're such a bitch.  i guess getting completely owned makes willie upset.
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