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Offline Gavin

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Where are all the veterans?
« on: September 15, 2006, 10:13:51 PM »
I was just wondering who has actually walked the line and bin in the trenches-those who have bin in a program and those who haven't

I don't want anyone to feel threatend for fear of being vunerable by being exposed or to confess there true Ideantity.

But for those who were 'there,' no matter your personal opinion of your experience, maybe if you could just state where you served.

No names are nessesary.  But i feel and I may be wrong that alot of the "Gests" on the forum speak from a point of view that t is not based on experience but rather hopefull Idealism that they cannot really elaberrate on for their not having bin 'there' and seen it and expierienced it for them selves.


I don't want to creat a segregation or offend anyone, but I personally find it cathartic to talk about the horrors and atrosities that I whitnessed and expirienced.

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Offline Gavin

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2006, 12:15:35 AM »
maybe I have posted this in the wrong forum.

If that is the case could some body please direct me to the correct one
Thankyou
-Gavin
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Offline Nihilanthic

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2006, 10:38:31 AM »
Almost everyone here was either in a program or the parent of someone.

I myself have never been in or near one... the closest ever was an 'alternative school' I was mistakenly put in because of a rather glaring misdiagnosis, but comparing that to a program is... like comparing a super soaker and a sneeze to a hurricane.

At any rate, Im apparently the exception to the rule - few people who are totally outside this issue know or care about it, it seems, unless they're in it for the money  :roll:
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2006, 11:17:14 AM »
My situation is similiar to Niles. I was however in a program called The Edenwald Center. I would not call it a Gulag but it sometimes sure as hell felt like it. Could have escaped anytime. Just did not know where to go. There was this guy named Ed Sperling, who clearly had it in for me.He definitely treated some other kids more favorably. He would cancel home visits, make me  have extended stays in Isolation -AKA The Box, with not even a mattress most of the time. There is actualy a thread here on Fornits dating back to 2002 about two girls severly beating a staff member at the program that was right next to The Edenwald Center. It is called The Pleasantville Cottage School.The Jewish Child Care Association owns both programs.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2006, 01:49:07 PM »
Heritage School in Provo, UT.1-86 till 5-89
Cross Creek Manor La Verkin, UT. 5-89 till 2-90
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2006, 01:51:05 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Heritage School in Provo, UT.1-86 till 5-89
Cross Creek Manor La Verkin, UT. 5-89 till 2-90


So sorry that was me :-)!
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2006, 02:01:39 PM »
Bethel Children's Home - Lucedale, MS '85-'86

LIFE - Osprey, FL '87

I was also kidnapped for a second trip to Bethel after escaping LIFE in '87, but a family friend foiled that, and we were actually turned away when we got there.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2006, 01:44:16 AM »
i'm new here. but i'm here.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2006, 04:21:30 PM »
My son, 5/03, he was there for 3 1/2 days.  The place is now a WWASP school (which probably it always was) but it has changed names so many times I can't keep count.  Last I heard John Fountain still has his greedy abusive hands in there.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2006, 04:19:19 AM »
Cascade School - Whitmore, CA
1994-1996
Graduated

I learned a lot from my time at Cascade, but over the years I've come to realize that the most important lessons weren't the ones they wanted to teach me.  "The program" ended up showing me the importance of freedom, toughness, and manhood by depriving me of them.

Turning young men into "smooshing" whelps does little to prepare them for the world and adult relationships.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2006, 03:16:31 PM »
I was never in a program.  However, I have a deep, personal stake in safe, responsible, quality mental health care.  I have a deep, personal stake in seeing that commitment to a residential facility follows a procedure with ample regulatory safeguards for mentally ill people to see that they are being provided appropriate, quality care in the least restrictive setting.  I have a deep, personal stake in seeing that mentally ill people are not incarcerated in inappropriate residential facilities by their relatives.

I have bipolar disorder.  My daughter has bipolar disorder.  Many other members of my family and my husband's family have bipolar disorder or related illnesses.  Many of my friends have bipolar spectrum mental health problems--it's common in creative folks.

Many kids who get stuck in Programs and screwed up by them have bipolar disorder or the kinds of related mental health problems that are common in bipolar families.

My whole extended family and larger circle of friends and acquaintances have a personal stake in our grandkids, cousins, siblings, nieces, nephews, and teenage friends not getting stuck in Programs.  We have a personal stake in seeing that any of our teens that need mental health care get safe, effective, ethical care in the least restrictive setting.

Idealistic?  Hardly.

I'm an advocate.  Good advocates play a vital part in the political process by distilling the signal from the noise so their base doesn't have to.  Fornits is often one of the best sources for real news--I wade through the crap to find that real news so friends and family don't have to.

Effective advocates can't afford to either be idealists or compromise our principles.

Politics is the art of the possible, but the opposition's politicians, and the opportunists, will always try to get you to settle for form over substance.

It's a fine line to walk, but if it was easy they wouldn't need us. :-)

Julie
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2006, 03:19:36 PM »
"Fornits is often one of the best sources for real news"

Congratulations, Julie.  That is the most hilarious thing I have ever seen on the internet.

fornits is a source for nothing but crap.
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2006, 03:24:29 PM »
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fornits is a source for nothing but crap.


Well then, thank you for this steaming heap of a contribution.
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2006, 04:05:49 PM »
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"Fornits is often one of the best sources for real news"

Congratulations, Julie.  That is the most hilarious thing I have ever seen on the internet.

fornits is a source for nothing but crap.


Second that!!
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2006, 04:10:36 PM »
So then you just enjoy crap?  I mean, you're here all the damn time, posting all the damn time.  For someone who thinks it's all crap you sure do waste a lot of your time wading through it.
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