The Drugging of our Children

[Gregg]

http://http://www.garynull.com

Video here: (Must See..)

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[Anonymous]

Warning: This poster is a clam (Scientology adherent).

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=216137#216137

[Gregg]

Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong..

   Don't like what Garl Knull and Michael Moore have to say now do you?

   That's too bad but this is still a free country..

[Covergaard]

Many years ago children in the city needed a place to stay during the day. Due to lack of space in the cities, we like many other countries developed kindergartens where they parents dropped their kids down in the town, whereafter the children rode by bus to a protected wood outside the city. There they play and eat outside until it is time for a busride back to the city.

It happens every day the year around unless we have a storm approaching.

Dont they kids get hurt from time to time? Yes, they do. It is wood. Not a playground. Broken parts of the body is something that happens every year.

Why continue now that city-planning have eliminated the original problem? Because our research have shown, that certain kind of childrens can benefit by staying out regardsless of the weather: Kids that are overactive regardless of the cause. Kids that otherwise would have been medicated because they would have been too demanding to the often short-handed staff.

Some children are ill and would need medication at some point. But the point can be postponed. Some children would benefit from "being out in the woods" fra the age of 3 to the age of 7 blowing steem of because it is a kind of phase in their life. But our results are good and medication for that agegroup of children are down.

However, some things are yet not researched fully. This group of children have less sickness compared with children from an ordinary kindergarten. Cold is almost not known. We are looking into that at the moment in order improve the healtcare for the other children.

Do you have kindergartens like that overthere or is the risk of a lawsuit too high?

[Gregg]

Growing up we had a form of Kindegarten, it started for children at 5 years of age and the next year we entered school..

   What we also has was recesses, at least twice a day besides lunch at that's when we ran off all the extra energy. And later on came organised sports, that worked especially well for kids with too much energy.

  And in the classroom our ADD-ADHD symtoms were kept in check by a big paddle that hung from the wall, the one I remember best was called "The Board Of Education" and we all knew exactly what it was there for..

   This was the day of when medicating children meant an occasional aspirin at times from the school nurse, this was long before Big Pharma had invaded the schools..

   There was a special education class for slow learners but they could all read and usually went onto some type of vocational training, many of them did very well in life later on..

   No..., in my school not one child was stigmitized with some psychiatric disorder.., there was really nothing at all wrong with any of them. They respected their parents and they respected authority. It was a far different and better world back then, and that's only going back about 40 years.

[Anonymous]

Covergaard: No. Not even close, as far as my knowledge. Best thing you'd get here is a day care that does that sort of thing, or the parents doing it themselves. But you've walked into a minefield of a thread and probably should have posted that in a new topic.

Original retard: Gary Null is at best a swindler and at worst an outright fraud, notable for his demented conspiracy shit and quack products.

And yes, he's a clam, or at least allied with them: http://gnhealth.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=1120 (the "Citizens Commission on Human Rights" is a Scientology front)

Gregg: Like I said, you've come to the wrong fucking forum. Nobody here is going to let bullshit slide.

[Gregg]

Gary Null is a fine doctor and to call him a swindler is pure nonsense..

   And what do you call Michael Moore? Another fraud is he? What does he have to do with Scientology..

   Sorry, most of the folks apposed to the abused of psychiatry have nothing to do with Scientology. Why don't you address the charges they are making instead of assaulting their character like you've done to Gary Null?

[Anonymous]

::troll::  ::troll::  ::troll::

[Anonymous]

Boring.

[Deborah]

Covergaard,
There is research that indicates that children are happier and fare better when they spend time in nature.
When I was growing up kids walked home from school and played outside until their parent forced them in for dinner. Anymore, you never see a kid outside unless they're participating in an organized sporting activity.  Have you ever observed what happens when you take a fussy baby outside? Kids need lots of time outdoors. They are living in bubbles these days, much to their detriment. No sunshine, no exercise, no fresh air. It's an unhealthy lifestyle for which the "cure" is not drugs. Kids don't have a Ritalin deficiet.

Excerpt from an article on the research:
In ongoing studies by the Human-Environment Research Laboratory at the University of Illinois, researchers have discovered tantalizing evidence for a new view of the syndrome. In a 2004 study published in the American Journal of Public Health, the laboratory found that children as young as five showed a significant reduction in ADHD symptoms when they engaged with nature.

Parents and guardians were asked to identify after-school or weekend activities that left their children functioning particularly well or poorly. The study measured responses to two types of activities: those in green landscapes?such as grassy backyards, parks, and farmland?and those in indoor playgrounds and paved recreation areas. The researchers designed the study to account for any effects of physical exercise so they could measure only the influence of green settings. They also factored out age, gender, family income, geographic region, size of community, and the severity of diagnosis.

In fifty-four of fifty-six cases, outdoor activities in more natural settings led to a greater reduction in ADHD symptoms than activities in less natural areas. The only instances when symptoms worsened occurred in the artificial environments. In a related experiment, the laboratory found that children could focus on specific tasks better in green settings.
http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/05-4om/Louv.html

[Deborah]

Milk,
Do you know that CCHR is staunchly opposed to Restraints in RTCs and is responsible for bring us the Hartford Courant Investigative Report "Deadly Restraint"?
http://www.charlydmiller.com/LIB05/1998 ... ant11.html

Does that mean you're a shill for Scientology?

It sometimes happens that one's values overlap with organizations they otherwise may not have anything else in common with. I have often been accused of being a Scientologist for my outspoken opinion on the Quack industry of Psychiatry.

And as Gregg said, there are many who oppose Psychiatry who aren't Scientologists.  

Remember Scheff vs WWASP? Who do you support in that fight? Well many supported Scheff. It was important that she win that case to set a precedent. Doesn't mean any of us approve of her Ed Con business.

[Deborah]

Yeh, I can see where dodge ball could be effective, especially with 10 balls!!  Might serve to push them over the bell curve like the drugs do.
I think it's both, being in nature and being without structured activities. But, any nature is better than no nature. There are many important factors involved with being outside. Fresh air, Sunshine (melatonin is important to good sleep and general well being), can be noisy without being shushed, a sense of boundless freedom, etc.etc. Perfect place for kids.

[Anonymous]

i think that discounting psychiatry all together is throwing the baby out with the bath water. I would agree that drugs should not nececarily be the first port of call particularly in kids. I also agree that many things are possibly over diagnosed or could be fixed by diet, excercise more attentive parenting, counselling etc. ADD in kids and mild depression in teens for example.
 But mental illness is real and if untreated can potentially be devistating for both the patient and their loved ones. I know that if i had scitzophrenia (i know that is not spelt correctly) and there was a drug that could ease the symptoms and help me function, i would take it.

[Oz girl]

the above poster was me. Dramas logging in

[Anonymous]

Well first let's understand a few facts about ADD-ADHD. It is not a disease by any legitimate definition. There is no biopsy, blood test, not one diagnostic test can authenticate the existance of this alledged disease. Rather it is a abitrary group of perfectly normal behavior mannerisms that are now called a disease.. This is the real lunacy. Yes, there are allergic reactions to processed foods, there are undiagnosed REAL medical conditions, there is poor diet and living enviroments and there is especially the harmful reactions to the drugs (poison) given to treat this fake disorder - especially when withdrawel symptoms begin to occur and the next dose is needed. (No, that is not evidence of any disorder but addiction instead..)

   So to discuss alternative methods of treating so-called ADD-ADHD there in reality only one. Evict the therapists and counselors from the schools and don't let them near another child again. That is the only real cure for ADD-ADHD.