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Dr. Judy Flatt SACSCASI
« on: August 28, 2006, 01:15:46 AM »
Some of you may wish to contact Dr. Flatt....Below are exerpts
from correspondence with Dr. Flatt....I hope you will find it interesting in answering questions of how HLA kept their certification
from SACS...Dr. Flatt is  not the Director for the State of Georgia... she has nothing to do with  the 'Director' who authorized the infamous four friends that apparently gave their recommendation for re-accreditation..In answering these questions, she was not aware the school in question was HLA....
She seems honest and forthright in her answers...


 
Dr. Judy Y. Flatt
Associate Executive Director
Council on Accreditation and School Improvement
Southern Association of Colleges and Schools
1866 Southern Lane
Decatur, Georgia 30033 USA
Email: www.sacscasi.org, and see for yourself (name and contact information).  Suggestions may be granted if the team as a whole meet the criteria: chair of team MUST be on the SACS CASI approved list; all/most of the remaining members must be from SACS CASI accredited schools; there should be no family connections to school personnel; team membership should possess collectively a variety of skills, background, education expertise in order to have a well-rounded team.
 
 
Can a secondary private school pass accreditation if they never have had a biology or
chemistry lab on their premises? I was told private secondary schools cannot pass
accreditation.
All schools must provide laboratory experiences for the students enrolled in those classes.  Most, if not all, times that would be done in a school laboratory..Does this mean, the private schools are required by SACS to have a LAB, to be accredited..? There seems  to be some wiggle room here.. Is there?
All schools must provide laboratory experiences that are appropriate - I cannot imagine how that could be done completely outside the parameters of a lab.  If there were no lab at a school, the huge burden would be on the school to demonstrate how it can CONSISTENTLY and COMPLETELY offer the appropriate laboratory experiences for ALL students enrolled in the classes.
 
Can a private school cross utilize their teachers, even thought they are not degreed in the fields they are cross utilized in? I was told private schools cannot cross utilize
their degreed teachers in fields to which they were not degreed..the school would not be accredited by SACS.
Teachers must be assigned according to their credentials.  If deviation from that must follow the SACS CASI guidelines, including having a letter on our letterhead stationary that states that based on the appropriate evidence presented to the SACS CASI office for examination the teacher may teach in specified subjects/grades at specified school.  (This would be similar to "alternative certification" for public schools in many states throughout the USA.) Hypothetically, suppose a school does cross utilize arbitrarily, without informing SACS, then what happens..?  Does SACS keep documents that are presented  from these private schools to your office, to cross utilize...?
Hypothetically, I can set the rules for students not to cheat in my classroom but that does not always prevent them from doing so.  Likewise, we have our standards for instructional staff.  We have checks and balances in place, including online reporting and quality assurance reviews, but could a school "break the 'rules' and get away with it"?  Only in the short run of things.  Most of our schools let us know when they have an "emergency" situation and what they are doing about it (e.g., teacher leaves in middle of school year, school takes in extra students because of hurricane displacement, etc.)
 
Is SACS in agreement that long time friends, colleagues, employees of any owner of a private school, not be sanctioned to review ' that' private school  for re- accreditation?
I, myself, would think this would not be sanctioned by SACS, because of conflict of
interest...Am I correct?
Conflict of interest is avoided whenever it can be noted in advance.  Should someone be asked to serve in that type of capacity, he/she should refuse and give the conflict of interest reason.  Should it occur anyway, the remainder of the team members, under the careful guidance of the team leader would be able to maintain the primary focus of the team.What happens if all four of the team members are
long time friends, colleagues,employees...there is no team leader, the relationship  beteen the parties was not disclosed...? Or the relationship were apparent and it did not matter...Would the Director if SACS sanction it?
I cannot imagine this happening.  The State Director is in charge of appointing/approving the chair of the team.
 
 
 
 
I appreciate your time and look forward to your reply.
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Letter...
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2006, 03:03:19 AM »
One letter off....
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Dr. Judy Flatt SACSCASI
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2006, 04:55:50 PM »
Standard Practice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dr. Judy Flatt SACSCASI
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2006, 05:22:48 PM »
Thats funny during my time the Spanish teach didnt speak Spanish.

I wonder if that would fall under the standards for accrededation.
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Dr. Judy Flatt...SACSCASI
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2006, 11:31:45 PM »
I spoke with Dr. Flatt, she prefers Judy, she was wonderful...She said she needs to hear from as many parents and students regarding HLA....ie:
no biology or chemistry lab, cross utilzation of teachers/staff, teachers teaching in the wrong field, whether or not students took their work to Ridge Creek and Interventions with them...Also, IEP's and how they were dealt with at HLA....accepting money from states and having no program..

Please, please call her at 404-679-4501 ext 549.....help us end all this...
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Dr. Judy Flatt SACSCASI
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2006, 12:20:25 PM »
I just completed informative letter to Dr. Judy (what has become a form letter for her, ORS, the Governor's office, etc, etc, etc...).  I hope she finds value in its contents.

One question:  Has anyone referred Dr. Judy to the website of ISACCORP?  She may find that an interesting read...
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Dr. Judy Flatt SACSCASI
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2006, 01:07:45 PM »
Dr. Flatt,

Since I wrote you earlier, it dawned on me that perhaps you have not
been directed to more resources regarding HLA and its practices.

I'd like to provide you with a few links if I may to help you in your
research.  Please review the materials linked below:


http://isaccorp.org/documentsam.asp#hla

ISACCORP (a watchdog group) lists HLA as an abusive facility and
outlines some of its problems and practices, although their material
is far from comprehensive.


http://isaccorp.org/ivyridge/ivyridgelawsuit.pdf

In addition, Ivy Ridge (a similar facility) has been sued in a class
action lawsuit for some of the same practices HLA employs.  Please
note that the accreditation agency for Ivy Ridge (NAAS) was named as a
defendent in the $100 million lawsuit for not enforcing its own
policies in regard to Ivy Ridge.  

If I were in your position, serious consideration would be given to
the possibilty that SACS may be open to legal liability along the same
vein for its failure to properly oversee HLA and to insure HLA's
compliance with its accreditation criteria.  

Clearly, HLA has gotten a "free pass" from parties bearing conflicts
of interest within your organization who inspected the facility while
they were simultaneously gainfully employed by its owner, Leonard
Buccellato.

Thank you for your time and attention to this very serious matter.

Best Regards,

S***** * *****


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From  
Date  Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:31:56 -0400
To  jflatt@sacscasi.org
Subject  Hidden Lake Academy


Dear Dr. Flatt,

I am writng you this letter in regard to Hidden Lake Academy,
a "Therapeutic Boarding School" in Dahlonega, GA.  It has come to my
attention that your organization is not overseeing HLA properly or
requiring them to meet accreditation standards and criteria set forth
by SACS.  This appears to be an ongoing issue.

I am a former employee of HLA and was employed there beginning at its
inception.  I am well aware of its history, policies and procedures
and would like to enlighten you on some details.  HLA is primarily a
treatment center, not a school.  Academics since the beginning have
been a "back-burner" issue at HLA.  Group therapy, individual therapy,
behavior modification, Large Group Awareness Training (LGAT) and
therapeutic "interventions" are the
priorities at HLA and all of these "services" are delivered by
untrained and uneducated staff, most of whom do not have degrees in
the mental health field (several have no secondary education
whatsoever) and none of whom are licensed or credentialed to provide
these - or any - "therapeutic" services.

HLA is a dangerous environment in which, by their own admission,
pedophiles, sexual abusers and violent batterers attend.  Surely you
don't believe that this is a normal population for an "academics only"
boarding school?  That assessment defies the facts and reality.

HLA is an unlicensed, unregulated treatment center masquerading as
a "school" to the detriment of its attendees who are subjected to
psychological quackery, experimental techniques and harsh, punitive
behavior modification administered by staff who are legally barred
from rendering any psychiatric care of any kind in any state or
jurisdiction.

Dr. Flatt, it is incumbent upon you and your agency to examine the
facts surrounding HLA.  Not to do so is a dereliction of your duties
and a disservice to the children being subjected to HLA's "program."

Should you have any questions in regard to this inquiry, please feel
free to contact me at your nearest convenience.

Best Regards,

S**** * *****
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Hmmmm.....
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2006, 05:52:01 PM »
SACS is going to enjoy reading that the Special Ed teacher (Allyson Harper) took over teaching Algebra I for Paula Cooper, who was teaching both math and science:


From: "Corrie Holloway"
Cc: "Matt Paul"
Subject: Academic Department
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:40:34 +0000

 

Parents,

Dr. Spencer Johnson in his best selling novel Who Moved My Cheese? writes ?Savor the adventure and enjoy the taste of new cheese.? One of our math and science teachers, Paula Cooper has resigned her position with Hidden Lake Academy. We wish her the best in her new endeavor.

The courses Ms. Cooper taught this semester, Anatomy and Algebra I, will be taught by David Head and Allyson Harper respectively. There has been a day or two of adjustment with this new change. However, the students and teachers are moving forward and enjoying the new adventure. If your students had Paula Cooper this summer, you may not receive academic information this week during your counselor phone call. Academic updates for Anatomy and Algebra I will resume next week.

Thank you for your support and patience as we ?Savor the adventure...?
 
Matt Paul
Director of Academics

____________________________________

Hidden Lake Academy w (706) 864-4730

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Math courses
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2006, 10:49:42 PM »
Does HLA have anyone there qualified to teach upper level math courses? Is Sam Tanner is the only math teacher? He's only certified to teach middle school grades.
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Re: Math courses
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2006, 11:08:11 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Does HLA have anyone there qualified to teach upper level math courses? Is Sam Tanner is the only math teacher? He's only certified to teach middle school grades.


That guy is an IDIOT. He shouldn't be able to teach ANYWHERE. When I was there I was taking Advanced Algebra/Trig from a guy who was only here on a visa named Dominidor. Nice enough guy, but we could barely understand him because of his accent. I think he left right after that semester when I graduated. I took the math right before that (Algebra II?? Cant remember) from a softball coach named Lisa. Seemed pretty competent, but didn't fit HLA at all. I think she lasted 3 months.
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Re: Math courses
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2006, 05:25:25 PM »
Quote from: ""Lacey""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Does HLA have anyone there qualified to teach upper level math courses? Is Sam Tanner is the only math teacher? He's only certified to teach middle school grades.

That guy is an IDIOT. He shouldn't be able to teach ANYWHERE. When I was there I was taking Advanced Algebra/Trig from a guy who was only here on a visa named Dominidor. Nice enough guy, but we could barely understand him because of his accent. I think he left right after that semester when I graduated. I took the math right before that (Algebra II?? Cant remember) from a softball coach named Lisa. Seemed pretty competent, but didn't fit HLA at all. I think she lasted 3 months.


Yeah Sam Tanner isnt qualified to teach math at that level, nor was Andy Carlson (though he was a competent chemistry teacher).  Dominador was qualified (he taught public school before coming to HLA) and knew his stuff pretty well, but yeah it was kind of hard to understand him half the time.  And i think i took a class with Lisa too, she seemed qualified and competent as well.  I actually lucked out and only had a few really bad teachers there, but unfortunately most of the good ones left around the time we graduated or right after.
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Re: Math courses
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2006, 05:50:34 PM »
Quote from: ""kid_thorazine""
Quote from: ""Lacey""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Does HLA have anyone there qualified to teach upper level math courses? Is Sam Tanner is the only math teacher? He's only certified to teach middle school grades.

That guy is an IDIOT. He shouldn't be able to teach ANYWHERE. When I was there I was taking Advanced Algebra/Trig from a guy who was only here on a visa named Dominidor. Nice enough guy, but we could barely understand him because of his accent. I think he left right after that semester when I graduated. I took the math right before that (Algebra II?? Cant remember) from a softball coach named Lisa. Seemed pretty competent, but didn't fit HLA at all. I think she lasted 3 months.

Yeah Sam Tanner isnt qualified to teach math at that level, nor was Andy Carlson (though he was a competent chemistry teacher).  Dominador was qualified (he taught public school before coming to HLA) and knew his stuff pretty well, but yeah it was kind of hard to understand him half the time.  And i think i took a class with Lisa too, she seemed qualified and competent as well.  I actually lucked out and only had a few really bad teachers there, but unfortunately most of the good ones left around the time we graduated or right after.


Upper-level math being taught by the softball coach??? Was she a teacher as well as being the softball coach???
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2006, 07:25:43 PM »
she was a teacher that also coached softball, almost all of the sports teams where coached by teachers or councelors, thats actually a fairly common practice in smaller boarding schools, the boarding school i went to before HLA did the same thing.
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coach/teacher
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2006, 07:47:18 PM »
This happened at my high school also. I dont know much about what Georgia law is now regarding coaches teaching and teachers coaching, but I went to high school in Georgia at a private high school, (not boarding), and all of our coaches except one were also teachers. The only coach that wasnt a teacher was our guidance counselor. We had coaches teaching social studies, math, religion, and P.E. This must be a legitimate practice because my high school is still doing it and they have been in business since 1958. I guess the big question is what Georgia law is requiring nowadays for what type of degrees teachers require in the private sector.
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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2006, 09:25:51 PM »
Once again Mrs. Gray completly misses the point.
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