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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2006, 11:18:22 AM »
You know, i had a dream I did that, it involved a Jet-ski across the lake, though.  I watched the Tranquility Bay documentary, man, some of those kids will never be able to work or interact on a "normal" level.

We know about a place in Maryland that is truly therapeutic and it might be a restorative stay for a child coming out of some serious shit like this.  Flat screen TV's and PC's in every room, house keeping comes around and cleans, and it works on a level that isn't behavior modification, action=punishment crap.  Plus, the staff are familiar to all involved in this mess.  No one has any complaints about the treatment there.  I could use a stay myself.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2006, 11:32:45 AM »
You dio realize that her stepfather's custody is what's keeping her there?

Dead people can't have custody.

Just saying.
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2006, 11:57:48 AM »
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
You forget that the human spirit is capable of dealing with abuse on levels far beyond what we think is possible.

Case In Point.

The Jewish survivor's of the holocaust. They went on to found an entire nation while fighting off the entire Arab world.


You should read "Man's Search for Meaning" by Viktor Frankl -- a concentration camp survivor who not only kept his spirit and his sanity, but invented a new avenue of psychotherapy as a result.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2006, 12:34:57 PM »
Excellent.  We've got an extremely resiliant child in PV, she'll be fine with a little help.  I think self-esteem issues will be a problem, as I'm sure they are for every kid coming out of these facilities.  Thanks for the boost, I've been worried about how re-adapting to the outside would affect our patient.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2006, 12:46:50 PM »
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Thanks for the boost, I've been worried about how re-adapting to the outside would affect our patient.


Usually I don't say this about forum regulars, but I'm questioning your reality, ZA.
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2006, 01:02:23 PM »
Reality is, I'm tired, and i really wanna think we're not going to fuckin' need a lifetime of pharmacy and therapy to fix what was never broken.  Reality is, I'm beaten down and lied to by PV staffers, lawyers, well-meaners and demeaners, and I want to shut down every fucking facility like PV there is, after this business in the Court is finished.
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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2006, 12:59:38 PM »
TSW posted recently about staffers losing it on kids, and I think there's a kind of parallel here, if I change TSW's text slightly:

This Message is for Any PV staff who read this thread.


I was once an alcoholic parent. I know how you think. Probably I know how you think better than you do yourself. I credit this to a wicked imagination and a sick sense of humor.

Further, I want you to know that I understand that in families shit does happen. Yep.. wink wink.. shit happens right.  What a fucking day...my boss is an asshole...if I get home from the bar and that kid didn't mow the grass, I'll crucify his ass and BBQ it on the front lawn. I want a divorce.  She doesn't understand she causes my drinking.  Next time that bitch even looks at me cross eyed I am gonna tune her ass up so bad she can't shit for a week.

Come on now.. YOU all know exactly what I am talking about.


These kids are victims all the way around.  Please, don't take out your frustrations with their parents' actions or your own personal disappointments on the kids.  Some of them are there because of homes like I described above.  Thanks to TSW for that reality check, even though I have to admit, it jarred me when I read it.  With a child in a facility, it made my blood run cold.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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is that a real person?
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2006, 06:50:37 PM »
Is it? A real person?
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2006, 11:55:20 PM »
Yeah, although the abusive father is modeled on one I'm familiar with. (Not mine.  He was the Master of the Look, which would shut me down, no slap on the ass required) I've received letters from the child, she is not responding to the treatment due to the lack of contact with the person she misses most.  She's fiery, and I hope they don't take that away before we get her out.  TSW, I have something for you to look at, I'll PM you and with your experience you can proffer an informed opinion.  

The more I think about the counselors, I wonder why more educational requirements aren't necessary.  PV has reduced educational levels of counselors to High School diploma and GED.  
You were quite right, I am appealing to them to remain objective and understand the frustration of the parents who aren't custodial and aren't footing the private pay for the behavior modification process.  We've got concerns, and some of us have been forced to witness extreme violence inflicted on our kids.  Their response to our questions?  Ban us.
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2006, 11:57:41 PM »
Damn...the above was me, I keep forgetting to log in...bedtime for Zen.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2006, 02:24:51 AM »
So technically speaking, should programs be allowed to call their workers "counselors"?
It is a professional term that implies one has a degree, and illegal to use without credentials, in Tx anyway. It's deceptive.
Shouldn't they be called childcare workers, babysitters, caretaker, supervisors? What would you prefer?

I thought this was interesting re: a Psychologist delegating professional responsibilities to Supervisees.

http://www.sos.state.ga.us/acrobat/PLB/ ... apt510.pdf
 
(3) Delegation to and Supervision of Supervisees of Psychological Services.

(a) Psychologists shall not delegate professional responsibilities to a person who is not qualified to provide such services. Psychologists delegate to supervisees, with the appropriate
level of supervision, only those responsibilities that such persons can reasonably be expected to perform competently and ethically based on the supervisee's education, training, and experience.

(b) Psychologists shall not delegate responsibilities or accept supervisory responsibilities for work which they are not qualified and personally competent to perform. Psychologists must retain full, complete, and ultimate authority and responsibility for the professional acts of supervisees.

(c) The supervisee must have appropriate education and training, including training in ethical issues, to perform the delegated functions. The psychologist is responsible for determining the competency of the supervisee and will not assign or allow the supervisee to undertake tasks beyond the scope of the supervisee's training and/or competency. The psychologist is also responsible for providing the supervisee with specific instructions
regarding the limits of his/her role as supervisee.

(d) The supervisee must fully inform the patient or client receiving services of his or her role as supervisee and the right of the patient or client to confer with the supervising psychologist with regard to any aspect of the services, care, treatment, evaluation, or tests
being performed.

(e) When clinical psychological services are rendered, the psychologist must take part in the intake process, must personally make the diagnosis when a diagnosis is required, and must personally approve and co-sign a treatment plan for each patient or client. The psychologist must meet personally with the supervisee on a continuous and regular basis concerning each patient or client and must review the treatment record, including progress notes, on a regular basis as appropriate to the task(s). The psychologist must provide a minimum of one hour of supervision for every 20 hours of face-to-face clinical contact. The psychologist shall not take primary supervisory responsibility for more than three supervisees engaged in psychological services concurrently without Board approval.

(f) The selection and interpretation of psychological tests shall only be made by the psychologist. The psychologist must personally interview the patient when a diagnosis is made or is requested. In any written report, including psychological evaluations, the psychologist must approve and sign the report. When the supervisee does not participate in the actual writing of a report, but does administer and/or score psychological tests, the supervisee is not required to sign the report, but his or her name must be listed as the person who participated in the collection of the data in the report. When the supervisee personally participates in the writing of any report, then both the psychologist and the supervisee must
sign the report.

(g) When the delegation and supervision of psychological services is being conducted for training purposes towards licensure, psychologists must comply with the Rules regarding internships, fellowships and/or postdoctoral supervised work experience.

Authority O.C.G.A. Secs. 43-1-19, 43-1-25, 43-39-5, 43-39-13. History. Original Rule entitled "Welfare of Clients and Other Professional Relationships? adopted. F. July 27, 1994; eff. Aug 16, 1994.
Repealed: New Rule of same title adopted. F. Mar. 18, 2004; eff. Apr. 7, 2004.

(2) Use of Fraud, Misrepresentation or Deception. The psychologist shall not use fraud, misrepresentation, or deception in obtaining a psychology license, in passing a psychology licensing examination, in assisting another to obtain a psychology license or to pass a psychology licensing examination, in billing clients or third party payers, in providing psychological services, in reporting the results of psychological evaluations or services, or in conducting any other activity related to the practice of psychology.

Authority O.C.G.A. Secs. 43-1-19, 43-1-25, 43-39-5, 43-39-13. History. Original Rule entitled "Fees and
Financial Arrangements" adopted. F. July 27, 1994; eff. Aug. 16, 1994. Repealed: New Rule entitled
?Violations of Law? adopted. F. Mar. 18, 2004; eff. Apr. 7, 2004.
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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2006, 02:56:21 AM »
I mentioned earlier about our photographer posting "she didn't want to tell the parents she knew their kids better than they did, but after all, we're the experts on this shit,"  For obvious reasons, I find that offensive, especially posted on-line where I found it within 2 minutes of MySpace searching.  If I concede degrees are unnecessary, I would also expect these counselors not to boast of expert credentials and disrespect the knowledge of parents in a public forum.  Believe me, pissed-off parents will leave no stone unturned looking for information. Despite the claim that a degree isn't needed, a GED is enough, PV absolutely refused to give us Curriculum Vitae on the staffers who spend the most time with the kids.  They certainly won't now.  I think the people who are shelling out private pay, running $290 a day, expect better trained staffers, and if they knew the levels these guys started at, they'd move their kids to any place that does not mention behavior modification.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2006, 03:05:08 AM »
"Lord of My Charges", would be good.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2006, 04:28:50 AM »
Three springs, you mentioned it frightens you when the "counsellors" feel fit to play therapist. When you worked in the industry did you see this happen a lot?
I can see the real need for thorough inhouse training which strongly emphasises a calm and reasoned approach to disciplinary issues. If hell froze over & i decided to send a kid  to one of these places, i would want plenty of university educated staff preferably with some kind of teaching degree because the kid is school aged and so needs to be able to be getting a good education regardless of what else the place is trying to offer. that would be why a degree in anything would be something i would take into account. Having said that i would be alarmed if the political science major was being expected to perform any kind of therapy.
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« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2006, 01:13:43 PM »
Inmates have no access to a phone at PV. The children could not even call 911 if the lockdown unit was on fire. The grievance system is a joke. I can PM you a copy and you can see where that last link takes you. (you will not consider it a funny joke)
Complaining about the joint to a PV staffer is like telling the Madam she lives in a whorehouse:thats her business and it is not going to change. As near as I can tell it is the dollar that heads up PV. Even the clinicians seem to have the program money mentality in a way that seems to conflict with the theraputic process.
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