More bullshit advice from ST

[Troll Control]

I stick around to counter some of the crap.
I answered Deb's questions.  I don't care. It is not relevant to me or most other parents.  I will not reveal program names.  I don't wish to engage in debate with Deborah.  It's not challenging enough.

awwww...  too fwightened to debate, huh?

of course what deb posts doesn't matter to you and other ST parents.  you're IGNORANT sadist parental failures.

[Anonymous]

I stick around to counter some of the crap.

But you won't allow others to do the same on your forum.  Ok.

I answered Deb's questions.

No you didn't.  Not by a long shot.  Here they are again.

What did you think about Behrens & Smoot's connections to the industry? Were you under the impression that it was an "independent" study prior to reading my message?
Did you think it was the least bit deceptive that their "study" is presented as an independent, third-party study?
Why were only 9 NATSAP programs in the survey?
All Aspen programs by the way.
And why would they attempt to apply their "findings" about a hand full of Aspen programs to the entire membership of NATSAP programs?
And further deceive the public by implying that NATSAP programs are licensed?
As a program parent did you ever confirm the credentials of the people working with your child? Did you confirm the program was licensed and monitored by the state? Did you check with CPS to see if any reports of abuse had been filed? Did you allow the program to sever contact between you and your child?

 

I don't care.

That's obvious.

 

It is not relevant to me or most other parents.

You're coming to THIS forum.  It's relevant to parents that read and post here.  Of course it's not relevant to YOUR forum.  You aren't interested in anything that contradicts your dogma.

 

I will not reveal program names.

Yeah we know.  Wonder why?

 

I don't wish to engage in debate with Deborah.  It's not challenging enough.

You just keep telling yourself that sweetcheeks. :roll:

[Deborah]

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[ZenAgent]

 
The most loving thing that can be done at a certain point is a good residential program where family and personal issues can be explored by the teen.
If you weren't so angry and ignorant, you might get it instead of being in such a rage because your OWN existence is so pathetic. Interesting how it isn't any of the kids of ST parents who are on here bitching and moaning.  It's a generation of losers from days gone by.

If you believe putting your kid in a residential program is going to be so damned cleansing for the teen, enter it with him.  No program would let you in, of course, because as an adult you would sue the shit out of the facility for the abuses you received.  ST parents seem to think the tougher the "tough love", the better the chance Junior will come home and suddenly love and respect them.  Dream on, asswipes.  ST wouldn't exist if these residential programs were successful.  No, the kids from ST families aren't on here bitching.  They're broken, gutless shells who paid the price for their parents' "family and personal issues".  Too many kids take the blame for Mom and Dad's problems and suffer in these high-priced shitpits.

I'm not a kid, I'm a parent.  I don't drink, smoke, or use drugs, so I certainly don't encourage vice by example.  My child was thrown into a shithole by a drunken, hate-filled individual and suffered like you can't imagine, fucker.  Guess what?  The child didn't develop any love or respect for the lush who financed the"behavior modification", only loathing.

You're another parent with no time and no desire to work things out with your child ,but more than enough money to pay some goon bastard to whip the poor kid into obedience like a dog.  You're a  disease and a parasite.  Shut your fucking hole, you whining dick.

[Dr Phil]

I wish someone had aborted the following:
Julie
Deborah
Dysfunction Junction
Robert Bruce
Outlaw
MilkBubblingPenishead
Nihilasstic
Gingerbreadbrains
Guest, Guest, Guest
ThreeSpringsPretendtobeaGook

You feel good while you are typing this, at least temporarily. You think these surnames are extremely clever, and cringe in joy at your hateful creativity. It doesn't take the pain away though, does it? At the end of the day, you are still you, and without an outlet for your self hate it starts to focus in on it's real target, yourself. That's why you want me to get angry like everyone else and call you names, but I won't help you support your false paradigm of blaming all your, and the world's problems, on the list of a few posters on some obscure message board you don't have to visit.

[Anonymous]

Outlawhorseshit- what brilliant psychoanalysis!  I am SO impressed.  Too bad you are way off the mark.
And, Zenless, herein lies the problem.  Can you say "projection"?  I truly am sorry that your kid's program experience was bad and that you did not agree with the placement.  However, my family and other families did not have negative experiences.  Our kids are far from gutless, broken shells. They are energetic, bright young people who go on to happy and successful lives.  This is the part that you can't stand.  That is why I am here. To let parents know that what is reported on this board is a only a small minority viewpoint proferred by angry parents who lost custody of their kids or young adults who attended programs and are still losers in life with no family connections.  The families that choose appropriate programs and whose teens either mature during the program just because they are away for a year or two and safe from harm, or who do gain some therapeutic insisght are much more the majority view.  These teens are not on message boards- they are in college or starting careers.  They have hobbies, relationships and lives.
I really do get how painful this is for you because it isn't the way it turned out for you.  But don't blame the industry or the parents of successful teens.  Be glad they are out there to support the economy so your sorry ass can collect welfare.

[Dr Phil]

That is why I am here.

We all know why you are here, we don't need an explanation. You seem to need to convince yourself you are doing good, this is as common as it is obvious.

Ps: I don't wish you were aborted. I would feel like an asshole making comments like that, but that is just me.

[Anonymous]

Outlawhorseshit- what brilliant psychoanalysis!  I am SO impressed.  Too bad you are way off the mark.
And, Zenless, herein lies the problem.  Can you say "projection"?  I truly am sorry that your kid's program experience was bad and that you did not agree with the placement.  However, my family and other families did not have negative experiences.  Our kids are far from gutless, broken shells. They are energetic, bright young people who go on to happy and successful lives.  This is the part that you can't stand.  That is why I am here. To let parents know that what is reported on this board is a only a small minority viewpoint proferred by angry parents who lost custody of their kids or young adults who attended programs and are still losers in life with no family connections.  The families that choose appropriate programs and whose teens either mature during the program just because they are away for a year or two and safe from harm, or who do gain some therapeutic insisght are much more the majority view. These teens are not on message boards- they are in college or starting careers.  They have hobbies, relationships and lives.
I really do get how painful this is for you because it isn't the way it turned out for you.  But don't blame the industry or the parents of successful teens.  Be glad they are out there to support the economy so your sorry ass can collect welfare.

But you refuse to answer any questions you 'don't feel like'.  You refuse to name the 'appropriate programs' you speak of.  What the fuck are you contributing to the conversation?  Anecdotal stories?  Anonymously? (Yes I realize I'm anon but I cite facts to back up what I say, I answer questions asked of me).  You say you're trying to show parents reading here the other side of the story.  When's that gonna start happenin'?

[Anonymous]

What's your take on this?

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=18573

[Anonymous]

Much of it is good parenting advice.  It just doesn't always work.

[Anonymous]

Wow, I never imagined a programmed parent could try to be even nastier than Luke. This is one for the record books.

PARENTS! THIS PERSON WANTS CONTROL OF YOUR KID!

[Anonymous]

Much of it is good parenting advice.  It just doesn't always work.

That's it?  Really?  Let me guess.  You weren't on the debating team in high school.  Christ, do you even comprehend how completely moronic you sound?  Good job getting the ST point of view across over here.  I'm sure they're thrilled with the results.  It would be funny if it wasn't so damn sad.   ::noway::

[Anonymous]

No wonder you guys have a closed forum.

You can't handle the truth!!

[ZenAgent]

Outlawhorseshit- what brilliant psychoanalysis!  I am SO impressed.  Too bad you are way off the mark.
And, Zenless, herein lies the problem.  Can you say "projection"?  I truly am sorry that your kid's program experience was bad and that you did not agree with the placement.  However, my family and other families did not have negative experiences.  Our kids are far from gutless, broken shells. They are energetic, bright young people who go on to happy and successful lives.  This is the part that you can't stand.  That is why I am here. To let parents know that what is reported on this board is a only a small minority viewpoint proferred by angry parents who lost custody of their kids or young adults who attended programs and are still losers in life with no family connections.  The families that choose appropriate programs and whose teens either mature during the program just because
 or who do gain some therapeutic insisght are much more the majority view.  These teens are not on message boards- they are in college or starting careers.  They have hobbies, relationships and lives.
I really do get how painful this is for you because it isn't the way it turned out for you.  But don't blame the industry or the parents of successful teens.  Be glad they are out there to support the economy so your sorry ass can collect welfare.

What I don't understand, you repugnant gruntskid, is why these bright, shiny young conservative Republicans ended up in a facility anyway.  Obviously you fucked up and had to pay someone to fix what you couldn't be bothered with.

"they are away for a year or two and safe from harm,"  Being away from the likes of your demented monkey-ass has to be a step in the right direction.  

"...they are in college or starting careers," Oh, yeah, the high school diploma from a residential treatment center/boot camp is a feather in the cap of your young go-getter.  You're blowing smoke up your own ass.  I don't care how much you paid the gilded shithouse that mind-fucked your kid into being a member of the Bush-league, a shithouse is just a shithouse.  At some point in your Stepford-kid's ass-licking career, a colleague is going to find out about the treatment facility and make disparaging remarks about his stay in a juvenile "casa del wackos", and he'll never get the key to the executive bathroom.  Sorry to fuck your hopes, but a career in politics won't be an option for your little GOP'er.  The views you and your ilk have of these behavior modification mills seems rather myopic. People aren't going to assume your "lil' W" is all better because a boot camp fucked with his near-empty brain pan and made it correct.  They'll always wonder if he's going to go full Columbine.  It's unfair, but that's the way your neighbors and peers will react, because I'm sure you're surrounded by shitheads as mentally constipated as yourself.

"...They have hobbies, relationships and lives."  Wow!  No kid has any of those things until they're "modified", huh?  Look, just because your kid got home and "came out" about his poultry fetish...

...I really do get how painful this is for you because it isn't the way it turned out for you.  What kind of speculation is that?  My kid is doing just fine, and it's frustrating the shit out of the program pricks who can't do the "process" that failures like you pay for.  Sorry, my kid didn't have a problem except a genetic connection to an asshole much like yourself.  What isn't broke won't allow itself to be worked on by unqualified mental midgets like these facilities hire.  It seems the kids who DO ingratiate themselves to the boot camp staff are nasty, lying little snitches who would sell out anybody(even their parents) for a scratch behind the ears from one of the dimwit overseers.

... But don't blame the industry or the parents of successful teens.  Be glad they are out there to support the economy so your sorry ass can collect welfare.  Calling adolescent mental health care an "industry" shows what a bottomfeeding sack of shit you are.  Enjoy your teen torture farms while you can, jizz, because they'll dry up and disappear just like your balls when Dubya and his crew of fools get ousted.  Now go inflate your date for the evening.

[Anonymous]

Zen- your ignorance is astounding.  Boy-your ex really got you good, didn't he.  Good thing he got the kid away from you!
You are boring me.  Yawn.  Go back in your crate like a good doggie.