More bullshit advice from ST

[Anonymous]

How can YOU be so blind and unable to accept the reality that there are many kids who ARE helped by programs.  Why don't you focus your energy on going after programs that are truly abusive or run by religious fanatics and leave the good programs who help teens and families alone.  You have no credibility with the way you operate and all it does is how your immaturity and lack of judgement.

When you can provide me with some kind of proof that these programs work (i.e. research, clinical studies, NOT anecdotes), we'll talk.  Until then I'm sure you'll continue to keep your head buried in the sand.  

Which programs do you consider to be "good"?

[Anonymous]

How can YOU be so blind and unable to accept the reality that there are many kids who ARE helped by programs.  Why don't you focus your energy on going after programs that are truly abusive or run by religious fanatics and leave the good programs who help teens and families alone.  You have no credibility with the way you operate and all it does is how your immaturity and lack of judgement.

I'm focusing my energies on trying to get parents to do their fucking jobs instead of outsourcing them to strangers in another state.

[Anonymous]

Do you seriously see nothing wrong with what Willie Nelson posted?

[Anonymous]

Every piece of effort you spend on talking to a Struggling Tard is effort better served in getting a shitpit shut down. These people are seriously not worth our time.

[Anonymous]

I think it can be equally as, if not more important to expose the underlying problem.  How parents think and why they fall prey to these assholes.

[Anonymous]

It's simple, really- it requires a certain recipe.

The first ingredient is the belief that they deserve absolute control over can their children and can do whatever they want to them. The second is a certain mental weakness- the sort that can be exploited by cultists. The third is deep pockets.

That's really about it. The actual mental state, addiction, etc of the child in question is largely irrelevant. Snake oil to cure imaginary problems. Naturally the kid will probably severely hate them once it's all over, but they weren't smart enough to figure that out in the first place and they just insert the kid's actual behavior into their fantasy, much as a sleeping person might dream of winter if the blanket falls off.

As for the programmies themselves, I have insights into their mental state that I seriously don't want to share. Imagine hardcore bondage, domination, and regression fetishists, without the safeguards that prevent ordinary fetishists from acting out their fantasies on the unwilling or the underage.

I don't like getting inside any of their heads- it ain't pretty in there.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I know that and you know that.  Others who aren't so well versed in their tactics might not.  I don't enjoy getting into their heads either but I think it's important.   You don't?   Fine, but please don't tell me what I should or shouldn't post.  I don't tell you who to argue with or what about.

[Dr Phil]

There are more parents that report good results from programs than are concluding that "programs don't work".   For all your bullshit, you still are unable to provide other options. Your crap about local counseling, community resources etc.-  gee, why didn't the parents think of that?   The bottom line is that a reputable, well-researched program is a last resort for kids who can no longer live in the family and community.  Residential placement is used by loving parents who will go to any lengths to help their kids. There are a number of excellent programs with caring and competent staff who have helped thousands of teens get back on the right track. Many of these teens are very successful post-program.  Some are not.  A lot of teens don't do too well after regular high school.  
In conclusion, you have no idea what you are talking about.  You are immature little kids who think you understand parents and think you know what goes on in the programs that are being used by the majority of the parents on the ST site in this, the 21st century. We are not living in the 80s or the 90s.  Sorry, folks, we know what we are doing.

[Anonymous]

There are more parents that report good results from programs than are concluding that "programs don't work".

You're not looking very hard then.

For all your bullshit, you still are unable to provide other options. Your crap about local counseling, community resources etc.-  gee, why didn't the parents think of that?   The bottom line is that a reputable, well-researched program is a last resort for kids who can no longer live in the family and community.  Residential placement is used by loving parents who will go to any lengths to help their kids.

That's what I think is a huge part of the problem.  I'll agree that a good many of these parents think they're doing the right thing.  They're not.  They fall for they hype and scare tactics that are drilled into them.  They've been spoofed DARE and all the myths about drugs and drug use in the first place and end up scared shitless that  junior is going to end up deadinsaneorinjail if they don't sign 'em up.  Most of the time it's simply not true.  I know from my own personal experience.  My ex husband and his parents were absolutely, without a doubt convinced that my oldest daughter was headed straight for the morgue if I didn't ship her off quick.  Granted, she was doing some pretty intense, pretty scary shit.  A lot of coke, X, drinking way too much, destroying her sisters room a couple of times.....I've been there.  I get it.  Sending them off is NOT the solution.  When she came back home to me after living at my ex's (that's where the problems really got out of hand) it took about a year of really hard work (on hers and my part) but she made it through.  I had to deprogram her from all the bullshit she had been fed by her 12 Stepping dad (who is now BACK in rehab hoping to avoid jail....AA works :roll: ) and set realistic expectations for her.  Not some blind 'contracts' or arbitrary rules set up by some formulaic freaks that think they ahve the answer for everyone.

 

In conclusion, you have no idea what you are talking about.  You are immature little kids who think you understand parents and think you know what goes on in the programs that are being used by the majority of the parents on the ST site in this, the 21st century. We are not living in the 80s or the 90s.  Sorry, folks, we know what we are doing.

Fuck you!  I'm probably older than you are and I've definitely got much better experience raising kids than you do.  You arrogant fuck!

[Anonymous]

[They've been spoofed DARE

 ::bwahaha:: spoonfed.

[Anonymous]

This[/b] is what I'm talking about.  This[/b] kind of attitude. :flame:  :flame:  :flame:

I believe the statistics are faulty and teenagers under report use on all the studies.

The reserch all involve self-reporting and teens are notorious liars as we all revealed. The good kids lie, we lie as teenagers for all different reasons, especially if you are doing what you are not supposed to be doing

So many teens, parents, teachers, and community leaders empirical unscientific observations seem to lead me to believe that drug and alcohol abuse among teenagers is currently epidemic in most communities, not reduced. I think all the self-reporting studies are off the mark. We have not even looked into or discussed the binge drinking in college age kids.

I think it' great that parents are doing more to help their kids then in previous generations, we are a generation of parents who tend to direct our kids life and making sure they get treatment is part of this parental direction. Some times, it is over parenting and not letting our kids take the bumps in life, however I still have difficulty with this but I am getting better as I try harder to let her be.

I read a great quote the other day from the book "The Blessing of a Skinned Knee" it is a general parenting book about "Overparenting" young children but it really struck home for me!

"We treat our children's lives like we're cruise ship directors who must get them to their destination "adulthood" smoothly, without their feeling even the slightest bump or wave."


mose

[Anonymous]

Fine, but please don't tell me what I should or shouldn't post. I don't tell you who to argue with or what about.

Cripes, sensitive much?

My point is this: Do you seriously believe that any amount of argument, discussion, or debate will convince this programmie into something resembling logical thinking? THAT's why I say it's a waste of time. It might be fun, even cathartic. But this board is chock-full of 1400+ reply threads, particularly the ones involving DJ and He Who Shall Not Be Named. There's no sense in going into that and it ultimately meant nothing, and that's why I advise that people focus their energies on shutdowns and legal action, instead of hopeless argument. It's advice. I'm not Miller fucking Newton here.

OutlawHorseEater: Excellent, absolutely awesome pic. Worth several thousand words. Kool-Aid Man for Fornits mascot!

[Anonymous]

Yes but I've had several parents over the years either email me or PM me after seeing exchanges like this.  Sometimes it goes a long way to just keep pointing out the obvious.  The parents that have contacted me have said that they were falling for the doomsday scenarios that the programs lay out for them but when they saw posts like this and recongnized themselves in the ST dickheads they thought again.  I don't hold any illusions that I'm going to change the opinions of the posters at ST, they're long gone.  I"m hoping to reach the ones that aren't that drunk yet.

[MightyAardvark]

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[Anonymous]

Yes but I've had several parents over the years either email me or PM me after seeing exchanges like this.

*ponders waiting for someone else to get the joke inherent in this, then shrugs and spoils it anyway*

Might wanna log in if you're looking for that. :lol: