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« on: July 25, 2006, 02:42:42 PM »
Teen survives two nights, fierce storm in wilderness near Maniwaki
14-year-old taking part in youth program 'delirious' when found
Tony Lofaro, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Wednesday, July 19, 2006

A barefoot 14-year-old boy, wearing only a T-shirt and shorts, survived two nights in the woods near Maniwaki -- through a terrifying electrical storm -- after he attempted to flee a wilderness camp he was attending.

Paul Kinrade, of Thunder Bay, was a participant at Kiatou, a program with a wilderness component designed for "at-risk" teenaged boys.

The Surete du Quebec say the boy, who had been in the program for about three weeks and wanted to go home, "fled voluntarily" Sunday evening at about 7 p.m., as a group of six or seven boys were camping with a counsellor on a peninsula on Lac Pemichangan, southeast of Maniwaki.

Trekking and camping are part of the program at Kiatou. The program, which lasts for a minimum of six weeks, is based near Gracefield, about 25 kilometres from the place where the group was camping.

The group had remained at the campsite on a peninsula after Paul disappeared in the hopes that he would return. When Paul was still missing on Monday morning, police were notified.

The Surete launched a major search-and-rescue effort on Monday afternoon, including a helicopter, two all-terrain vehicles operated by police officers, two police boats and five teams of two officers each on foot, as well as a police dog and handler.

Paul was found around 4:30 p.m. yesterday by an officer in one of the boats, about three kilometres from the peninsula where the teens had been camping, after he heard a faint cry for help from the woods.

Paul was taken to Maniwaki Hospital, where he was treated for minor hypothermia, dehydration and a minor foot injury that had prevented him from walking.

Paul, who is about six-feet tall and weighs about 150 pounds, survived on blueberries and built a shelter for himself during his ordeal, said his father, Stephen Kinrade, last night at the Maniwaki Hospital.

Besides mosquitoes, Paul also had to weather the frightening storm on Monday night, said his father, who added that he was pleased with the search-and-rescue efforts.

"He kept his wits about him. He lived on blueberries, apparently," said Mr. Kinrade.

"He did well. He protected himself from the mosquitoes and the elements. He built himself a small shelter and then he had to abandon it because it was fairly high up," said Mr. Kinrade, who added that his son was "pretty delirious" when he was found.

"He was very happy to be found. He was tired." Mr. Kinrade said he and his wife, Linda, were shocked when they learned that their son was missing. Paul will not return to the program, said his father. "We're bringing him home."

Kiatou program founder Gilles Latremouille said some of the program's participants have disappeared for an hour or two, but this is the first time in the program's 11-year history that a teen had disappeared for such a long period of time.

"We're not a locked facility. We can't lock the kids up," he said. "When a kid doesn't really want to stay here, we don't want to keep him here, either."

Mr. Latremouille said Paul must have been "really, really desperate" to leave. All of the campers had life-jackets, but the area around the campsite was very hilly and wooded and surrounded by water.

Part of Kiatou philosophy is to take the participants to a secluded place where they feel it would be very difficult to try to leave, said Mr. Latremouille. "We always take the kids to a place where they can't imagine running away from," he said.

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2006, 02:55:29 PM »
"Paul will not return to the program, said his father."

Some fucking sanity for once.

And is anyone else shaking his head at the retarded autocontradictions by the douchebag at the end?
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2006, 03:02:48 PM »
Smart kid, at least his dad taught him some real life skills such as survival. In this case it might have saved his life, if he panicked me might have died.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2006, 03:03:32 PM »
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"We're not a locked facility. We can't lock the kids up," he said. "When a kid doesn't really want to stay here, we don't want to keep him here, either."


That's a much more enlightened philosophy than the majority of programs out there.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2006, 03:05:18 PM »
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"We always take the kids to a place where they can't imagine running away from," he said.


Haha, I missed that. I see what you mean about the contradictary statements. Yeah... a 'natural' barrier to running is no different than a fence. Only, if a kid made it over the fence in an urban program its more likely the kid isn't going to die of exposure. It should tell parents something when kids are willing to risk dying to escape a program.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2006, 07:26:43 PM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
"Paul will not return to the program, said his father."

Some fucking sanity for once.

And is anyone else shaking his head at the retarded autocontradictions by the douchebag at the end?


Two more bucks says they'll put him in a RTS.

-Nihilanthic becuase the cookies are fucked up and I cant log in from the post a reply screen because shane sucks  8)
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2006, 12:56:15 AM »
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
My own opinion is the kid is a dumbass.


I ran from a daycare when I was 10, and took my 6 yo sis with me all the way home.

Am I a dumbass? :P
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2006, 01:17:08 AM »
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Sure you are a dumbass, but not for running away from your daycare. However, your bizzare admiration for nascar definitely makes you a dumbass.


I HATE Nascar. There is such a thing as circut racing, rally racing, autocrossing, etc in the USA, its just not on network TV or widely viewed.

Which is a DAMN dirty shame. At least when I get to florida Ill have seabring and a few other tracks to have fun on.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2006, 01:42:21 AM »
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
well then I digress you are not a dumbass.


Thank you.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2006, 08:43:52 AM »
Dumbass? How would we know. Maybe some staff was beating up the kid, or maybe he had serious psychological problems and throwing him out into the wilderness wasn't the best idea, or maybe the other kids were threatening him, or whatever. Bottom line, wilderness therapy is  a joke, and these kids shouldn't be out there in the first place. SInce when did a death march become therapy anyways.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 06:41:43 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Dumbass? How would we know. Maybe some staff was beating up the kid, or maybe he had serious psychological problems and throwing him out into the wilderness wasn't the best idea, or maybe the other kids were threatening him, or whatever. Bottom line, wilderness therapy is  a joke, and these kids shouldn't be out there in the first place. SInce when did a death march become therapy anyways.


I think every sane person realizes using 'wilderness' as a vehicle for suffering to 'break them down' isnt therapy.

The problem is most people arent sane!
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 07:08:52 PM »
Wilderness- in and of itself is "therapy" for lots of people.  Most people that find the wilderness soothing are probably out there now- breathing clean air and getting exercise instead of sitting on their asses in front of a computer screen.  To each his own.
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 07:12:04 PM »
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Wilderness- in and of itself is "therapy" for lots of people.  Most people that find the wilderness soothing are probably out there now- breathing clean air and getting exercise instead of sitting on their asses in front of a computer screen.  To each his own.


And the deflection/indirect advertisement pops up again.

IF YOU LIKE TO DO IT THATS FINE. IF YOU FORCE IT UPON SOMEONE, WITH ADVERSE CONDITIONS, MEAGER FOOD AND WATER, AND KEEP FUCKING WITH THEIR HEAD TO BREAK THEM DOWN, ITS NOT!

How many times do I have to repeat it before it gets through your thick head.

Sex is 'therapy' for a lot of people, but I can go force it on emotionally distraught teenagers and call it therapeutic, can I?

:roll: NO!

two bucks someone tries to call me a rapist or a pedo or a pervert... haha
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 07:29:46 PM »
You're right- sorry, wrong thread.  I was defending totally voluntary Outward Bound programs.
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2006, 07:34:34 PM »
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Wilderness- in and of itself is "therapy" for lots of people.  Most people that find the wilderness soothing are probably out there now- breathing clean air and getting exercise instead of sitting on their asses in front of a computer screen.  To each his own.


If your kid is sitting at home on their ass in front of the computer, then why dont you buy them a bike and tell them to go out with their friends? Oh, that's right -- you are a program parent -- you are too afraid to allow your kid that kind of freedom. The only kind of social freedom your child is allowed is 'supervised freedom'. Do you really think the wilderness is soothing when it is used as a prison? I find a lot of activities soothing, but they might not be so soothing if I am forced against my will to said activities. You must be 'thewho' because only he  can stretch logic to the nth degree as you have tried.
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