I don't get it

[Anonymous]

On 2006-07-10 11:27:00, Mister Pink wrote:

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My client, Mister Pink believes that the behavior modification techniques incorporated into the elan program were not difficult to overcome, provided you entered the program after your sixteenth birthday and had a normally developed sense of self for your age.



As for the wonder kids, their sense of self appeared to be weaker than the defiant kids... a term thats somewhat of a misnomer. Normal would be more like it, to go along with the insanity there would make someone insane. To rebel against it would be only natural. I feel bad for kids under 15 who had no choice but to stick out out, but anyone 16+ and broke, or who stayed after 18 is what my client likes to refer to as a whore, and their coordinator position never meant anything, obviously.

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I was 14 when I ended up in Elan. Thank Goodness I had a somewhat "normal" childhood or else I may of been more f*cked up than I ended up being!
I was 17 when I left Elan (36 months) did not graduate. I went home and was in a state of shock. I saw that what "Elan" was doing and teaching was not the norm amongst kids my age. I went to high school and was shell shocked. It took 6 months of therapy to re-program me. I say re-program because no matter how much you rebel against it "Elan" rubs off on you.
Someone mentioned in a earlier post (I am paraphrasing) something like if you put 1 sane person in a room with insane people the sane person will start showing signs of insanity. So true.
I stopped being "mad" at "Elan" long ago. I stopped blaming "Elan" when I was 18.
No doubt it was a rotten place with warped ways but I did not let it ruin my life.
The younger you were the harder it must of been.
I know of one of my peers who was the "house prize" and he graduated and ended up coming back!
Stockholm Syndrome or what?!?

[Mister Pink]

I don't think elan ever taught anybody anything, except for compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite (all of which are american dreams  :wink: )

Now, one could argue these traits *would* actually prepare students for real life, but anyone making that argument would probably be borderline suicidal, depressed, and in charge of a very succesful corporation.

I don't believe that. I learned a few things from elan; the ability to read people better, how to stay under the radar, and tested and learned the strength of my mind among other things. I dont credit elan for these however, any number of otherwise stressful experiences could have instilled these tactical skills into me - and as useful as they are, I would trade them all to get back the time I lost.

Really, we didnt learn anything that we couldnt have learned on our own, elan just made it stick... in the sense that a leech sticks to your leg and sucks you dry  ::

[Anonymous]

I don't think elan ever taught anybody anything, except for compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite (all of which are american dreams  :wink: )



Now, one could argue these traits *would* actually prepare students for real life, but anyone making that argument would probably be borderline suicidal, depressed, and in charge of a very succesful corporation.



I don't believe that. I learned a few things from elan; the ability to read people better, how to stay under the radar, and tested and learned the strength of my mind among other things. I dont credit elan for these however, any number of otherwise stressful experiences could have instilled these tactical skills into me - and as useful as they are, I would trade them all to get back the time I lost.



Really, we didnt learn anything that we couldnt have learned on our own, elan just made it stick... in the sense that a leech sticks to your leg and sucks you dry  ::

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[Anonymous]

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Maybe you should,if your 12.But if by chance you are someone who actually has a life outside of being hateful.Maybe you should be grateful for what you have,not what you been through"

You're full of shit. Thinking of Elan involves anger and there's absolutelly nothing to be greatful for. You sound like an Elan's staff member.

Thats not true.
most people dont even think about it.
grow up it wasnt that big a deal

[Anonymous]

Of course Elan and the insanity that happened there WAS a "big deal".
It is how people are letting or not letting it effect their life.
To dwell on it forever is obviously stupid and does no one  good what so ever.
You are right though it is time to move on from it.

[Anonymous]

It's rather impressing how come some people seem to be incapable of interpreting people's thoughts, feelings and experiences from Elan. They've gotta come back with simplistic answers, such as "move on, grow up, get over Elan"... Their lack of senstiveness and racionality leads them to mechanical interpretations that turn every negative opinion into some sort of trauma. So in order to be recognized as "mature grown ups that got over elan", we can't criticize Elan or talk about anything that's deep. This logic is detached from reality and extremely superficial.

[Anonymous]

People handle things in different ways. Some people who went to Elan did "good" there so they think Elan was all hunky dory.
They are making a choice to "forget" all the insanity. They seem not to remember joining in and terrorizing that resident who was having issues.
It amazes me how the ones who did "good" in Elan are the ones who tell us to grow up, move on, it taught me about real life, ect.ect.
NOT ALL OF THEM but most of them. I know someone will take offense at being called a goody 2 shoe Elan bot.
For those who did not graduate as a re entry or coordinator are no less than the graduates.
I hung out with 2 different Elan graduates, a year later one was arrested for a car jacking the other a heroin addict.  I hung out with a Elan reject (like me) and he had a little computer business going on that was pretty lucrative.
Goes to show you just because your a graduate your not God and if your not a graduate your not a loser doomed for life!
I am not saying every single graduate is like this so if this post does not apply to you don't get in a huff.

[Anonymous]

Excellent point.  I hate it when I hear program people talk about how they're successful because of Elan or whatever other program.  They may indeed be successful but they seem to be confusing causation and correlation.  Most people who are deemed "troubled" really aren't.  They may not be acting in a manner that parents like but it's all pretty normal and they eventually grow out of it.   There is not one shred of proof that behavior mod. places do any good whatsoever but it's easy for the program robots to view it that way.  It's just not so.

[Anonymous]

Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.

[Anonymous]

Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.

Yea, like you wouldnt brag if you won the lottery? Give me a break!

[Anonymous]

Would you?

[Anonymous]

Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.

Hmm why do I suddenly feel the need to defend myself?? Nah, why bother? To reveal my identity would be equal to crucifying myself. Trust me, I WAS a "wonder kid" but that doesn't mean much. It's not like I can put it on my resume or something!

It just bothers me that people that DID do well in Elan are portrayed as mindless robots. I don't know about you, but my entire time in Elan I did everything in my power to shine because I wanted to LEAVE. Now, I do everything in my power at my job to make MONEY. When you think about it, it's not all that different.

[Anonymous]

Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.

Hmm why do I suddenly feel the need to defend myself?? Nah, why bother? To reveal my identity would be equal to crucifying myself. Trust me, I WAS a "wonder kid" but that doesn't mean much. It's not like I can put it on my resume or something!

It just bothers me that people that DID do well in Elan are portrayed as mindless robots. I don't know about you, but my entire time in Elan I did everything in my power to shine because I wanted to LEAVE. Now, I do everything in my power at my job to make MONEY. When you think about it, it's not all that different.

[Anonymous]

People handle things in different ways. Some people who went to Elan did "good" there so they think Elan was all hunky dory.
They are making a choice to "forget" all the insanity. They seem not to remember joining in and terrorizing that resident who was having issues.
It amazes me how the ones who did "good" in Elan are the ones who tell us to grow up, move on, it taught me about real life, ect.ect.
NOT ALL OF THEM but most of them. I know someone will take offense at being called a goody 2 shoe Elan bot.
For those who did not graduate as a re entry or coordinator are no less than the graduates.
I hung out with 2 different Elan graduates, a year later one was arrested for a car jacking the other a heroin addict.  I hung out with a Elan reject (like me) and he had a little computer business going on that was pretty lucrative.
Goes to show you just because your a graduate your not God and if your not a graduate your not a loser doomed for life!
I am not saying every single graduate is like this so if this post does not apply to you don't get in a huff.

Elan didnt teach me shit, nor was it in any way traumatic.


Real life is alot harder than Elan ever was .
If you thought being yelled at in a weird rythm by a bunch of retarded teenagers was "traumatic", youre a pussy.
Big Deal.
Bosses yell at you alot worse and when a boss yells, you lose money.
When the general meeting yells, you lose, umm...nothing.
"Terrorizing"??? Wow. Terrorizing is a husband who beats his wife and kids.
What elan kids do is , ummmm, nothing.

Graduating or not graduating elan is as inconsequential as all of the other stuff you all cry about.
Who cares who graduated and who didnt? Why are any of you even thinking about this place?
Elan was the easy way out. Going to a real high school and dealing with real problems is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy harder.

Basically-
If you guys thought elan was "traumatic" you would have KILLED YOURSELVES in the real world.

Like I said, I didnt 'learn anything' from elan, nor did i think it was hard.
If youre still thinking about it, youre either very bored and have nothing better to do or something is wrong with your heads that has nothing to do with elan.
Elan was a summer camp for retarded teenagers. You people who call it "traumatic" are the same people who if you had stayed in a normal high school would have been picked on and called high school "traumatic".
Toughen up lol.

[Anonymous]

Usually, the ones that like to brag about how successful they are tend to be quite the opposite. If you're doing so great, you don't feel the need to brag about it.

Thats not true. Different personalities handle things differently.
Some of the most successful, rich people I know are the biggest,
most obnoxious braggarts, and some are very humble.
Some people just have bigger mouths, some people just have smaller egos.