I don't get it

[Anonymous]

brainwashing? silly wabbits, elan was a behavioral modification center.human beens follow the same rules applied to rats, dogs, and monkeys.
the animal man is a herd animal. if you put 1 sane man in a room with 50 raving psycotics, the sane 1 will start to exhibit the same symptoms as the crazy 1's, if isolated well and long enough.
you can use ominous words like brainwashing if it makes you feel better, but the reality is if your still hung up about elan, you were weak minded to begin with. once the controls are lifted, you are free to choose your own reality, and from the looks at this site, many chose to remain scumbags. :wstupid:

[Anonymous]

It is a shame that immature kids were subjected to Elan. When I was there I saw some hold it together long enough to make coordinator and graduate. Years later these same "wonder kids" are doing horrible! Then I saw the "screw ups" leave Elan and actually do o.k. Vice-versa.
Brain washing? who knows. Some of us truly needed a kick in the ass way back when (still do!) Elan had some pretty unconventinal methods when it came to punishments. I remember Tania M. called my dad to try and put me in the ring! I was 15 or 16 at the time, my dad requested to speak to me to hear what was going on they refused (of course) so he said NO WAY! She was actually mad! Poor thing was blood thirsty.
It was really gross how they made people turn like rabid pit bulls during gm's and rings. All that nasty spit flying, bad breath, verbal abuse, ect.
Were we that bad as teens to deserve all that? Only you know.
There comes a time that people need to let go of Elan's influence on their emotional psyche.

[Anonymous]

We were treated like lab rats because they've developted the same methodology they use with animals at laboratories. It's called behaviorism, you should look up an author called B. F. Skinner. There are many methods as far as "brainwashing", Elan merelly used one of them, but the term is correct.

[Elan Reject Girl]

This is truly sad that we were subjected to Joe Ricci's experiment. Imagine a heroin addict, felon, wanna be mobster opening up a school for kids and actually getting approval for it?!?
Then all these state agencies and parents sending their minor kids to it!
WOW! No wonder.....
I guess that means any old freak can open a school and deem it for "behavior problems" and make a profit off our misery.
Only in the U.S of A kids.....

All contemporary religions and churches, all and every kind of religious organization, Marxism has always viewed as organs of bourgeois reaction, serving as a defense of exploitation and the doping of the working-classes.
--Nikolai Lenin, Russian revolutionary

[Anonymous]

On 2006-07-07 11:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"brainwashing? silly wabbits, elan was a behavioral modification center.human beens follow the same rules applied to rats, dogs, and monkeys.

the animal man is a herd animal. if you put 1 sane man in a room with 50 raving psycotics, the sane 1 will start to exhibit the same symptoms as the crazy 1's, if isolated well and long enough.

you can use ominous words like brainwashing if it makes you feel better, but the reality is if your still hung up about elan, you were weak minded to begin with. once the controls are lifted, you are free to choose your own reality, and from the looks at this site, many chose to remain scumbags. :wstupid:

"

Oh shut up!!

[Lila]

On 2006-07-07 12:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It is a shame that immature kids were subjected to Elan. When I was there I saw some hold it together long enough to make coordinator and graduate. Years later these same "wonder kids" are doing horrible! Then I saw the "screw ups" leave Elan and actually do o.k. Vice-versa.

Brain washing? who knows. Some of us truly needed a kick in the ass way back when (still do!) Elan had some pretty unconventinal methods when it came to punishments. I remember Tania M. called my dad to try and put me in the ring! I was 15 or 16 at the time, my dad requested to speak to me to hear what was going on they refused (of course) so he said NO WAY! She was actually mad! Poor thing was blood thirsty.

It was really gross how they made people turn like rabid pit bulls during gm's and rings. All that nasty spit flying, bad breath, verbal abuse, ect.

Were we that bad as teens to deserve all that? Only you know.

There comes a time that people need to let go of Elan's influence on their emotional psyche.

"

I was a "wonder" kid in Elan and I continue to be one today. Just because you did well in Elan doesn't make you doomed.

Elan taught me how to work in an office/business setting. While in Elan I was told I was the best leader pretty much ever. Today, I continue to amaze everyone in my office and make tons of money. So in that sense, Elan helped me. But part of me wishes I would have been allowed to run my course, and if I ended up a drug addict then so be it and maybe it would be bad, but at the same time  I would be myself.

Today, in all my success, I don't think that I am "me". I think that I was created while in Elan, and although I am a better person for it, I don't appreciate being BRAINWASHED.

[Anonymous]

I was a "wonder" kid in Elan and I continue to be one today. Just because you did well in Elan doesn't make you doomed.



Elan taught me how to work in an office/business setting. While in Elan I was told I was the best leader pretty much ever. Today, I continue to amaze everyone in my office and make tons of money. So in that sense, Elan helped me. But part of me wishes I would have been allowed to run my course, and if I ended up a drug addict then so be it and maybe it would be bad, but at the same time  I would be myself.



Today, in all my success, I don't think that I am "me". I think that I was created while in Elan, and although I am a better person for it, I don't appreciate being BRAINWASHED.
 
I know some others like yourself.Who have been very successful after Poland Springs.
I personally have struggled. But I dont think I would have it any other way. It seems the only way I know to learn. Though much less struggling these days,it took an awful long time to get where I am.
I too learned some things in Elan that have stayed with me a long time.Some good some not.I know that wheneverI come here and read some of the lunacy displayed,I cant help but be grateful for not being as bad off as some of those that frequent this site.Joking aside I truly feel sorry for them,but at the same time,am grateful to not feel the obvious pain that these alumni are in.
nooneinparticular

[Anonymous]

On 2006-07-09 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

I was a "wonder" kid in Elan and I continue to be one today. Just because you did well in Elan doesn't make you doomed.





Elan taught me how to work in an office/business setting. While in Elan I was told I was the best leader pretty much ever. Today, I continue to amaze everyone in my office and make tons of money. So in that sense, Elan helped me. But part of me wishes I would have been allowed to run my course, and if I ended up a drug addict then so be it and maybe it would be bad, but at the same time  I would be myself.





Today, in all my success, I don't think that I am "me". I think that I was created while in Elan, and although I am a better person for it, I don't appreciate being BRAINWASHED.

 

I know some others like yourself.Who have been very successful after Poland Springs.

I personally have struggled. But I dont think I would have it any other way. It seems the only way I know to learn. Though much less struggling these days,it took an awful long time to get where I am.

I too learned some things in Elan that have stayed with me a long time.Some good some not.I know that wheneverI come here and read some of the lunacy displayed,I cant help but be grateful for not being as bad off as some of those that frequent this site.Joking aside I truly feel sorry for them,but at the same time,am grateful to not feel the obvious pain that these alumni are in.

nooneinparticular"

Take the good and leave the rest. No one said Elan's wonder kids were "doomed".Elan made us believe if you left without graduating you were doomed for life. Atleast in my day that was the message.
Regardless if you were a graduate or a stereotypical screw up the choice is now yours!
People come here to rant and rave. People will always be at odds here at Fornits.Some saw Elan for what it was and others make a choice to remain miserable for the duration. Some are doing great now and some not so great. Is that not human nature? In Elan or not you will find this. Like I said Take the good and leave the rest.

[xres8182]

On 2006-07-09 07:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

I was a "wonder" kid in Elan and I continue to be one today. Just because you did well in Elan doesn't make you doomed.





Elan taught me how to work in an office/business setting. While in Elan I was told I was the best leader pretty much ever. Today, I continue to amaze everyone in my office and make tons of money. So in that sense, Elan helped me. But part of me wishes I would have been allowed to run my course, and if I ended up a drug addict then so be it and maybe it would be bad, but at the same time  I would be myself.





Today, in all my success, I don't think that I am "me". I think that I was created while in Elan, and although I am a better person for it, I don't appreciate being BRAINWASHED.

 

I know some others like yourself.Who have been very successful after Poland Springs.

I personally have struggled. But I dont think I would have it any other way. It seems the only way I know to learn. Though much less struggling these days,it took an awful long time to get where I am.

I too learned some things in Elan that have stayed with me a long time.Some good some not.I know that wheneverI come here and read some of the lunacy displayed,I cant help but be grateful for not being as bad off as some of those that frequent this site.Joking aside I truly feel sorry for them,but at the same time,am grateful to not feel the obvious pain that these alumni are in.

nooneinparticular"

When were you in Elan wonder child?

[Anonymous]

lol,, w8 just a sec here,a "wonder child",, at elan.because you didnt slash  self,, or act out in a way that made trouble,or learned how not to shit yourself, i would think that puts you somewhere between a mindless automaton and a  rhesus monkey. bet your parents are proud

[Lila]

I'm going to ignore that last comment.

[Anonymous]

Let me tell you something, elan doesnt teach kids dick! Sure they are in control of a natural teens out of control behavior, but we all grow up and eventially become adults. Elan is full of shit and so is it's stupid concept. The staff that work there, most of them went through the program themselves, and the only reason they are working there today is to get back and dish out what they were fed when they were residents.
But little do some elan employees know, that working there will eventially be the cause of their demise. Heart failure will be the culprit due to the high levels of stress they put their bodies through. And it wouldnt be unusual to see one person in particular drop dead of a heart attack during a GM.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-07-10 03:49:00, Lila wrote:

"I'm going to ignore that last comment. "

so many trolls,with nothing better to do than harrass someone who shares info and/or something real.Are you new here?  This is not a place where you can share anything of value,or be real.This is a place where one can coe to clean up the vomit spewed by the ka ka club.

[Mister Pink]

My client, Mister Pink believes that the behavior modification techniques incorporated into the elan program were not difficult to overcome, provided you entered the program after your sixteenth birthday and had a normally developed sense of self for your age.

As for the wonder kids, their sense of self appeared to be weaker than the defiant kids... a term thats somewhat of a misnomer. Normal would be more like it, to go along with the insanity there would make someone insane. To rebel against it would be only natural. I feel bad for kids under 15 who had no choice but to stick out out, but anyone 16+ and broke, or who stayed after 18 is what my client likes to refer to as a whore, and their coordinator position never meant anything, obviously.

[Anonymous]

Of course you SHOULD ignore that comment, Lila, since it's depreciative. But I do, however, partially agree with it.

What do you mean by "elan wonder"? A passive person, someone who has no difficulty turning poeple in for their mistakes, someone who can fuction within this fucked up structure and deal well with authority?
I'm not saying wether you should or not follow the rules while in Elan, I mean, it does make you finish the program a lot faster without much confrontation. But I don't think you should be proud of it. Once you're out, it doesn't mean shit. The diploma I have it up on my wall means shit. I keep it to remind me that I used to be a drug addicted and I don't need to go down that path again. It's like a "remember hell?" type of thing. But it's just a fucking piece of metal with some reactionnary words with my name carved on it.

If we did learn good things in Elan it's because it is inherent to human beings the natural disposition of constatly learning new things from their environment. You must learn something in 2 years; in Elan, in college, at your parents'place, wherever!
Brainwashing is rather different than teaching. They've taught you to function, deal with authority, blablabla. But did they teach you anything deeper than that? Anything that made you develop you own perspective in life? Or was it their perspetive they've made you absorb?