The Who

[RobertBruce]

You must be confused. What is it you feel I'm not being accountable for?

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Blast from the past

I think you are making a bigger deal out of the bong than you have to.  If the communication is going well why push it and make him follow thru with actually physically throwing the bong away (power struggle). There could be a million reasons why he doesn’t want to throw it away, I cant think of any that would be important.   Kids see things differently than we do, he may not see that you are waiting patiently for him to throw it away.  My advice would be to just toss it, it is home made and if he decides he wants another one some day he can just make another one.

Advice coming from a parent who sent their kid to be forced march and barely fed for a month as punishment.  :rofl:

Oh come on that’s only the tip of the ice berg, lets be honest, no exaggerating here, we need to be credible or no parents will believe us.  Here is a more complete account:

No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. (my favorite)
No toilet paper.
Had rocks and items thrown at me.
Locked in a hot, wooden box.
Forced to eat paper.
Forced to be naked for a week.
Thrown into the ocean during a typhoon. ( I think he would keep blowing back ,would'nt he?)
Kicked down a hill and had logs thrown on me.
Had a chair slammed into my gut.
Obtained more skin diseases than a POW in Vietnam.
Forced to carry "sandbags" of rocks up and down hills.

TheWho's sexual fantasy list.

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After you guys are all done with your linking and connecting then Bruce can get around to finishing his confession:

This link should help refresh everyones memory on where we are:

Confession Part I

Okay, everybody, you can put the torches out now.

I don't get it.  Why do you keep posting a link about TheWho?  What does this have to do with limking up TheWho's anonymous posts with his account?  He already said to do it, so whatever your point is (?), is moot anyway.

[TheWho]

You must be confused. What is it you feel I'm not being accountable for?

stings a little doesnt it?

We all know you edit your posts the minute you are caught in a bind... its your M.O., Bruce.  Accountability for what you write will never be your strong point. It was nice slowly putting the sqeeze on until you just couldnt face your own words any longer and instead of taking ownership for what you wrote you had to go and edit the post... classic RoberBruce at its finest.

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You must be confused. What is it you feel I'm not being accountable for?

stings a little doesnt it?

We all know you edit your posts the minute you are caught in a bind... its your M.O., Bruce.  Accountability for what you write will never be your strong point. It was nice slowly putting the sqeeze on until you just couldnt face your own words any longer and instead of taking ownership for what you wrote you had to go and edit the post... classic RoberBruce at its finest.

This is funny in light of this.  Accountability?  What?  Ha, Ha, Ha.

On 2006-06-23 12:39:00, TheWho wrote:

"

On 2006-06-23 12:03:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Yep, WILD FIG and THE WHO are one-and-the-same; and as long as he/she wants to yak to "themself" then what's the point?


Absolute game-playing, dishonesty."

Why guess, ask Deborah to check it out for you, then we will know for sure."

We're still waiting for The Fig to have his/her posts linked.

We linked The Who's posts together some time ago after he was posing as several different people and making up different personal histories while trolling relentlessly.

He still lies about every single thing he posts, but at least you know who the lies are coming from.  That's a good first-step!

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You must be confused. What is it you feel I'm not being accountable for?

stings a little doesnt it?

We all know you edit your posts the minute you are caught in a bind... its your M.O., Bruce.  Accountability for what you write will never be your strong point. It was nice slowly putting the sqeeze on until you just couldnt face your own words any longer and instead of taking ownership for what you wrote you had to go and edit the post... classic RoberBruce at its finest.

So easy to enrage it and draw it out.  Little taste of your own medicine, Whootie pie?  I am now laughing hysterically at your 'triumph'!  

"Don't do what I do!  Do what I say!!"   :waaaa:   Sweeeeeet!  You can't win for losing, bro.

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This guy can be controlled like a video game.  It's kinda sad in a way.  But not too sad!

[Inculcated]

Doesn't Ursus own TheWho's account now?  Hey, Ursus, would you mind if all of TheWho's new anonymous posts are linked to his user account?  I think if you say it's OK, then we should just update the post list of the account so we can get to the bottom of who is Who and who isn't Who.  Hey, it's your account and  you should be able to see all the posts, right?

Psy, if Ursus says yes, do you think it would be possible to move TheWho's anonymous posts under the account?  I don't think it's fair for Ursus not to have access to TheWho's posts in their entirety.  He did buy the rights to all of TheWho's postings. What do you think?

This seems fair.  TheWho is always acting like he's some great capitalist tycoon, so I know he wouldn't object to this plan because, of course, when Ursus bought the brand, so to say, he did in fact buy all of the rights present and future as any standard business transaction.  To cheat Ursus out of the intellectual property he purchased in good faith for a good cause is immoral.

It seems funny that intellectual could apply to property peddled from the mind that WHO.
Ursus,
I implore you ,Pretty pleeeeease?

[RobertBruce]

stings a little doesnt it?

We all know you edit your posts the minute you are caught in a bind... its your M.O., Bruce. Accountability for what you write will never be your strong point. It was nice slowly putting the sqeeze on until you just couldnt face your own words any longer and instead of taking ownership for what you wrote you had to go and edit the post... classic RoberBruce at its finest

Oh not at all. I just noticed that you were getting a little too excited over the whole thing. Apparently you weren't quite quick enough to pick up on my sarcasam despite the rest of the class being fully on board. I just didnt want to make you feel bad. Unlike some posters I have no issue acknowledging what I have and have not said, nor do I take issue with standing behind or backing up my comments. I also dont cry and claim to be the victim of having my posts modified without my permission, simply because the person is a coward who won't acknowledge their own comments. Do you know anyone who has done that?

No matter though. Once Whooters posts are all linked up, past and present all questions will be answered for you.

Just sit tight.

[Anonymous]

Jeg ber meg om unnskyldning for mitt bastard avkom Som,WHO sprang fra en pustule på mine bakfjerdedeler en natt.
Dette kan forklare noe av dets anal fiksering.
Mens selv jeg guden av ugagn og kaos beklager eksistensen av denne tingen,Jeg vil ikke by det til å returnere fra whence det kom fordi ha en byll tilbake det var fæl
Trist til universet og mitt dårlig
Kjærlighet, Loki

[Anonymous]

'Sup Loki in the house,
I apologize for my bastard offspring Who, sprang from a pustule on my hind quarters one night.
This may explain some of its anal fixation.  While even I the god of mischief and chaos regret the existence of this thing, I will not bid it to return from whence it came because having a boil back there was nasty.
Sorry to the universe and my bad.
Love, Loki

[Anonymous]

If the who's son killed himself, he did so after telling thewho he was abused and thewho doing nothing to get him justice or even heaering him.

Sorry for the long quote, but it's relevant.

Goodtobefree wrote:

Perhaps as a former student/client/survivor/inmate/whatever you want to call it, I can shed some light on the subject. I was in peer group 17, I was at ASR from October of 2000 to December of 2001. During my stay I was under the impression that the lifesteps were essentially unchanged from the start of the program up until then. I can't say anything about 2002 and onward. As was said before, they were about anger, insecurities, reconnecting with core self, (aka inner child) and forgiveness. They were held in the library in the academic building, and generally started around mid evening on a friday or saturday night, and lasted between 12 and 24 hours. Hard to tell exactly because they made a policy of taking our watches beforehand. All I know was that at the latest, we were asleep in our beds by the normal lights out the next night, except for the 4th lifestep, where we slept in tents overnight outside the library. That was about 36 hours altogether.
They definitely fed us, slightly less than usual, but more than adequate for a day's nutrition. As for sleep deprivation, we were up way past our bedtimes, which were tightly regulated, so any alterations to the routine were quite noticeable. While we were up late, full of anxiety and stress, we were subjected to a lot of yelling, a lot of exercises and workshops designed to illustrate how our behaviors were hurting us. There was a lot of crying, screaming, cursing, quiet time for writing, (read: kids can't talk, counselors walk around reading what's being written and pontificating about the topics being written about. My point is that it was very intense and quite overwhelming. I don't remember every single detail of the experiences, but I will try to include what I can.
The most memorable thing about the first lifestep was an exercise called dyads. This involved pairing up with a buddy and holding them while screaming at the top of our lungs all the things we hated our parents and ourselves for, for minutes at a time. I distinctly remember spitting up blood and being encouraged to continue screaming. There were also short group therapy sessions, there were exercises involving listing all the things our parents had ever done to hurt us, focusing on all the pain and suffering that we'd ever felt and how angry it made us. After all of us were exhausted we read letters our parents sent us about how much they loved us and why they chose to send us away. Needless to say there was a lot of crying.
The second lifestep had exercises where we had to sit in a circle, while one of us would walk around from person to person to hear whether that one or this one considered them a "giver" or a "taker". After we'd all judged each other we had to say to people why we felt this way about them. Some of this took the form of harsh criticism masked as praise. There were exercises involving how we judge ourselves and how we present ourselves to others. We had to wear cards around our necks that labeled us as one thing or another to supposedly demonstrate how restrictive the images we present to people can be. I remember carving images into cubes of sandstone to symbolize all the good qualities we had and who we really were. I also remember listening to Enya and other new age music, and doing a warped guided meditation which, rather than enhancing relaxation heightens emotions like guilt, sadness and fear. It was either in this lifestep or the third that we did an exercise involving manic, happy music, and all of us being instructed to smile until it started to hurt, and walk around laughing and smiling and looking at each other for about 5-10 minutes with the song on repeat. By the end many were crying, some were on the verge of hysteria.
The third lifestep was probably the most traumatic and damaging. It involved internalizing immense guilt. We had to write down anything and everything that we'd ever done to hurt ourselves, told how horrible it was, then forced to look at childhood pictures of ourselves that our parents had mailed to the school. Sitting there for what seemed like hours being yelled at because all the mistakes, impulses, and self destruction we'd gone through were "horrible things that we, as horrible people had done to the innocent children that we were" We were told to imagine all these wrongdoings being visited upon these children, as if we'd done them to some helpless little kid ourselves. Hurting yourself because you're horribly depressed is suddenly akin to torturing preschoolers. Talk about cognitive dissonance! We had to draw a symbolic portrait of ourselves involving all our interests, loves, etc., then tack the childhood picture to it. The other focus of this lifestep was the emotional manipulations or games that we use in an attempt to fill holes in our lives. We acted out all the games we each typically used, and had our peer group guess which one. Games such as playing the victim, using intimidation, attention games, the "everything is fine" game, etc.
The fourth lifestep involved a modified Native American sweat ritual. One of these took place before the first lifestep, almost a pre lifestep. This ritual was kind of like group therapy in a sauna, with some new age religious undertones. We were smudged with sage before entering the sweat lodge, there was a little discussion about purification. We talked about grudges we held, and how they weighed us down. To illustrate this concept physically, we took a long walk in the woods late at night, each of us carrying a rock about the size of a large melon and being lectured to about how we weigh ourselves down by not letting things go. We weren't allowed to put down the rocks, and the walk lasted somewhere between 1 and 2 hours. Being able to set down the rock was supposed to symbolize how good it feels to let go of anger and resentment. Perfect timing, the program's almost over, let's assuage some of the anger that comes from having a year of your life stolen.
All in all I would say that these lifesteps are a clear indication of the cult like way that the academy is run. In addition I would like to comment on the pervasive nature of the levels and punishment/reward system that was in effect. Profanity was punishable by doing pushups, we were continually encouraged to report each other for anything and everything, for our own good. Dish duty would be assigned for having a shirt untucked or for not cleaning the dorm before breakfast adequately. Being late to meetings or classes had similar consequences. Consequences, not punishments. There was no such thing as a punishment at ASR, just like there were no rules, only Agreements. Since you agreed to not do this or that, you had already accepted the consequence for breaking the agreement. I don't remember ever signing a contract, but then again, since as a minor you don't really have rights or the ability to sign contracts, none of that matters. The point is, it was a very effective technique for fostering obedience through guilt. You didn't just fuck up, you went back on your word and let down the school. The rule system was so pervasive it was difficult to make it through an entire day without breaking at least one. Privileges were removed at the drop of a hat. If you read too many books, you were avoiding people, and weren't allowed to read for pleasure. If you were rude or rowdy you might go on a restriction and lose the privilege of any and all recreational activity for between 1 and 4 weeks. Restrictions could involve being on "bans" with groups or individuals in the school, such as "bans with all lower school students", or all females, all males, etc. You couldn't talk to people you were on bans with or you faced serious consquences. This often caused difficulty in coordinating schoolwork with therapy. Restrictions ended when counselors felt you'd accepted whatever you'd done was horribly wrong and you felt horrible about it/learned something. Then you'd tell the whole school about it and apologize at the end of the day meeting.
Academics are another concern. The options for classes were limited, the teachers often weren't qualified. My chemistry teacher was an English major who was only a chapter ahead of the class each week. He was filling in until they found someone who knew chemistry. Most of the teachers, even those qualified to teach their subject, did not know how to deal with kids with learning disabilities, or kids who acted out constantly. This had a negative effect on the amount of actual teaching that got done. Student's writings, paintings, etc. were often censored for being to dark, too imagey, too negative, too sexual, etc. Reading material was restricted, the library was full of outdated books and random novels, all of it unorganized. On numerous occasions books I'd found in the library were confiscated, apparently even some of them weren't appropriate.
Inmates faced a barrage of emotional abuse from counselors and students alike. Students tried to curry favor by enforcing rules and ratting on others. Once an accusation of rulebreaking, innapropriate behavior, telling "warstories" i.e. talking less than disdainfully about anything ASR didn't like, such as drugs, sex, stunts we'd pulled that got us sent there. Challenging the rules for any reason was being manipulative, denying an accusation was being in denial. Getting upset at false accusations was an attempt to intimidate the accuser. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
At least a third of the inmates were on either wellbutrin or adderall. You got to see one of the 2 psychiatrists the school employed, no one from outside. You weren't allowed to refuse medication either.
Some of the other issues in the program were a lack of policies on various issues such as religions, sexual orientation, and a number of other things. For example, Rudy Bentz the headmaster would frequently speak of a higher power in thinly veiled judeo-christian propaganda terms, and there was a clear preference for mainstream religions. Shortly after 9-11 in a schoolwide discussion, he failed to reprimand or even comment on an inmate yelling in front of the school an insensitive comment about "fucking towelheads". Wiccan or Buddhist students were often slighted, or accused of using the religion as part of their image rather than professing a sincere belief. Big fucking christmas tree up in the common room, slight chanukah concession for the few jewish kids, nothing for anyone else.
On other occasions, I was told by certain counselors that I did not know what my sexual orientation was and I was going through a delusional phase where I mistakenly believed I was bisexual. Yet other counselors told me it was normal and natural and to trust myself. The lack of clear policies on these and other issues created untold confusion and despair.
All in all, I think the program has absolutely minimal potential to help anyone, and most of the help it offers comes solely from the extended period of time away from a harmful home environment, and the substantial reflection it necessitates. The entire premise revolves around group mentality, breaking down and moulding psyches, a complex reward and punishment system combined with censorship and constant, constant, constant reinforcement of obedience that comes from never knowing whether or not you're "in agreement" (currently not violating or witholding a confession about past violations of the rules), and always worrying about being punished.
Through the use of repetitive propaganda, peer pressure, and psycholinguistics, the process of conveniently rephrasing everything to give it a slant that is in line with the belief you're trying to force upon a captive population. Rules are agreements, punishments are consequences, shoveling snow for 6 hours is "getting back in agreement", expressing your feelings in an unapproved manner is either acting out or manipulative behavior.
The Academy at Swift River has done untold damage to hundreds of children whose only crime was being born to parents who held them to unreasonable standards, often abused them mentally, physically and sexually, often were alcoholics or drug addicts or suffered from mental disorders, and thought that money could fix their kid. There is a certain amount of accountability on the parents part, but it's pretty much lip service when you get right down to it. Kids are beaten, berated, treated as less than human, and shipped away to prison without a trial when they understandably start to act out in these circumstances. They go through a 14 month sentence of emotional torture under questionable auspices, subjected to the horrors I've described above. To claim that the parents who sent them there are being called to task because they have to go through a 3 hour group therapy session once every 3 months and hear about how they fucked up their kid doesn't even begin to address the issues at hand.
The whole thing is a twisted mixture of cult and psych ward, it should be burnt to the ground and its founders should be jailed.

The Who wrote:

Thank you for clarifying that. Your account mirrors closely to that of my childs, so I do believe you experienced what you say you did, although the accounts that I heard had a much more positive affect. Much of the detail is dramatically different.
I feel this further supports the fact that not every school is beneficial to every student and there needs to be a better screening process in place to help define which students will be successful.
Like any organization they may need to continue to monitor the training of their counselors, the success or failure of the life steps could be that simple (or very devistating) depending on how they are presented.
Yes, you are right the counselors are fully vested in the success of the kids they work with and want the best for them. This comes across very clearly with the ones I have met.

What Goodtobefree described is abuse.  You said it 'closely mirrors that of your child'.  Your child was abused.

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What's wrong, Who?  Are you just a little embarrassed about your behavior here again?  Got caught talking about ass-raping some kids?  Had some homoerotic fantasies of yours put out there?  I wonder why you think RB should be 'accountable' for what he posts, but you hide in the shadows making sick references to bestality and rape while berating already abused kids.

See, Who, you've been set up like bowling pin and knocked down.  RB put up a little red meat for you to latch on to, you took the bait (obviously).  You got sent on a full week's worth of relentless, and I mean relentless, trolling of RB that led you to get progressively more sick, disgusting and twisted in your commentary.  You got egged on to do more and more of it and you took the bait again because your obsession and compulsion rule you and I use them to exploit you.  Simple.

Finally, just to prove it is indeed you, the only person who hates RB, DJ, Deb and others with such venom, I asked RB to alter his post (the one he baited you with originally) so you'd jump on it as some sort of 'victory' and in your glee, use all of your "Whoisms" while celebrating, thinking you got the better of RB ("Ha,Ha,Ha, Bruce.  I knew I'd get you.  You can't take responsibility for your actions" Oh, soooo rich and satisfying).  Well, you got fucking owned again, you dumb fuck.  

And not only did we get you to show yourself and reveal your disgusting homosexual/bestiality/sadism fetishes, now the last bit has been sprung on you.  Confident in your anonymity, you really revealed your inner self and your twisted nature, power-hungry control-freakishness, superiority complex and rampant narcisism, and now all of those post that you desperately want to avoid accountability for are going to be linked to your account so everyone can see the true you. Isn't that lovely?

Let me ask you, Who, how does it feel to be controlled like a video game and manipulated to do nothing but read and post all day and night for a week?  I bet it feels bad.  Real bad.  And I bet you'll lash out because of it.  How does it feel to be a loser, Who?  You got bested by a a couple of program kids and they ate your fucking lunch, weakling.

Next item on the agenda: Move TheWho's posts under his username for all to read in their full glory.

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Cool.  I set the ball rolling with Ursus and Psy.  Looks like we may be able to get this done in time to enjoy it over the weekend.  Yay!

[TheWho]

Sorry Bruce, that you had to expend so much energy covering up your post and when you couldn’t you had a need to go back to editing it (as always).  I would have let you off the hook pages back if I suspected you would take it so hard (you are obviously upset and on a mission! Ha,Ha,Ha).  But my original thought was that it is important that you learn to be accountable for what you write.  This has been a tough area for you.  You would have felt much better about yourself if you had confronted the problem head on instead of trying to hide it and then eventually trying to bury it.  Now look where you are!!  You need to take a desperate path to clean yourself up.

If asking admins  to link up guest posts on people everytime you lose face in an argument, debate in an attempt to figure out who was responsible for each post somehow improves your ( and Dysfunction Junctions) quality of life then thats the path you need to follow.  If it brings you happiness, in the end, then that is what is important.  But, it would have been easier on both of you if you learn to discuss more openly about what you post and why you have the opinions that you do etc.  it makes for a more informative and inviting forum for new posters as well as seasoned posters.