The Who

[TheWho]

So lets put this in perspective......  Bob indicated he has data on the abuse inside the Therapeutic sector (a study, perhaps, he did here on fornits).  I think it is curious that he is sitting on the results.  If it proved to be damaging to the industry I believe it would have been posted the minute it was compiled.  But we know it wasn?t and he refuses to release it.  

Could this be an indication that the reported occurrences of abuse inside TBS?s is a mere shadow of what he claims and releasing the data would support this conclusion?

Personally I think not releasing the information speaks volumes about the results.

[RobertBruce]

If you say so Cindy, you have no credibility here and no one cares what you think. Youve proven yourself a liar and a coward too many times.

The data is not my own, if you want it run a search and post it yourself, after all it's your claim not mine.

Until you do your data is useless and incomplete.

[TheWho]

So now that we have Bob's abuse claims settled lets move on with the matrix updates.

There appears to be some data coming in that we are looking at for the latest year so I will hold off on starting the new template.........  I should be able to update the tables this evening whe I receive word.


It appears from a Homicide/Suicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

We will be adding the 2004 -- 2005 shell hopfully this week and retrieve data from the NCES.
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[RobertBruce]

It appears from a Homicide/Suicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

Cindy how can you make this claim since you have yet to examine any data regarding abuse within the TBS and Wilderness environments?

Is it your claim that no abuse occurs?

What sources are you using for deaths within the specified arenas since the sources you cite do not agree with you?

[TheWho]

It appears from a Homicide/Suicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

Cindy how can you make this claim since you have yet to examine any data regarding abuse within the TBS and Wilderness environments?

Is it your claim that no abuse occurs?

What sources are you using for deaths within the specified arenas since the sources you cite do not agree with you?

I'll answer all your questions as soon as you post your data on abuse within the industry....why dont you focus on that first, then we will talk.

[RobertBruce]

Again it's your claim. Why should I do your homework?

Youre claiming that the TBS's and Wilderness Camps are safe, the evidence already availible to you on Fornits suggest otherwise.


For once in your life back up your claim.

Or admit you can't. Either one is fine.

[TheWho]

I am not asking you to do my work, I am doing it myself...what I am asking is to post the data you have, cut and paste is all it takes:

RobertBruce wrote:

Oh I can Cindy, the information is already at hand. I just see no point in giving it to you since I already know you'll dismiss it.

So you spend your time criticizing others when you are afraid to present your own data?  
Just paste it up and let the people of fornits take a look at it.......  by not doing so is an indication the problem is minimal because you are sitting on it

Its your call, but until then you will have to answer your own questions.  I am not going to assist you any longer.

[RobertBruce]

I am not asking you to do my work, I am doing it myself...what I am asking is to post the data you have, cut and paste is all it takes:

In other words do the work for you. Explain why I should, since we both know you don't give a shit about these kids and don't believe the vast majority of them are ever really abused.

So you spend your time criticizing others when you are afraid to present your own data?

Still not afraid Cindy, as I said earlier I've posted up a great deal of data on a variety of subjects. I simply see no point in doing your homework.

Just paste it up and let the people of fornits take a look at it....... by not doing so is an indication the problem is minimal because you are sitting on it

To you perhaps, but that's only because you've already reached your concluscion on the matter and have stated you arent interested in what the facts have to say. To others this isnt the case largely because of good percentage of the posters on fornits already know kids are abused in TBS's because theyve experienced it first hand. Something you cannot discount no matter how much you'd like to.

Its your call, but until then you will have to answer your own questions.

Why? They have to do with your data not mine. If you choose not to answer them your data remains useless and incomplete. Everytime you post it I'll be there to remind people of that fact.

I am not going to assist you any longer.
 
 

With what? It's your data and your claim Cindy, not mine. I'm just here to point out how unreliable it is to the people you hope and pray will find you credible.

[TheWho]

I am guessing that long response was a no and an attempt to cover the fact you arent releasing the data you have......

So lets put this in perspective......  Bob indicated he has data on the abuse inside the Therapeutic sector (a study, perhaps, he did here on fornits).  I think it is curious that he is sitting on the results.  If it proved to be damaging to the industry I believe it would have been posted the minute it was compiled.  But we know it wasn?t and he refuses to release it.  

Could this be an indication that the reported occurrences of abuse inside TBS?s is a mere shadow of what he claims and releasing the data would support this conclusion?

Personally I think not releasing the information speaks volumes about the results.

[RobertBruce]

If you say so Cindy, you have no credibility here and no one cares what you think. Youve proven yourself a liar and a coward too many times.

The data is not my own, if you want it run a search and post it yourself, after all it's your claim not mine.

Until you do your data is useless and incomplete.

[RobertBruce]

Kind of humoress so I thought I'd point it out.

I am guessing that long response was a no and an attempt to cover the fact you arent releasing the data you have......

Uhhh no Cindy I wasnt trying to cover anything, I've been pretty blatent about the fact that I'm not going to release the data to you. If you missed that then perhaps that would explain why youre so oblivious to everything else....say the truth about this industry.

If it proved to be damaging to the industry I believe it would have been posted the minute it was compiled But we know it wasn?t

How interesting. You know the data isnt damaging to the industry. How do you know Cindy? Have you seen some data yourself? If so please share it with us. If you don't it proves to be damaging to your claim, otherwise it would have been posted the minute it was complied.

[TheWho]

So now that we have Bob's abuse claims settled lets move on with the matrix updates, I think we can be a little more confident that the abuse numbers are lower than we thought.

There appears to be some data coming in that we are looking at for the latest year so I will hold off on starting the new template.........  I should be able to update the tables this evening whe I receive word.


It appears from a Homicide/Suicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

We will be adding the 2004 -- 2005 shell hopfully this week and retrieve data from the NCES.
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[RobertBruce]

I think we can be a little more confident that the abuse numbers are lower than we thought.

and you are basing this on.......?

Also when you say "we" do you mean you and the voices in your head or you and the posters of fornits. Because there is a huge difference is the original thought between the two.

You and your make believe world believe the numbers of kids abused to be less than 1% of all kids incarcertated in TBS's.

We as many regular posters on fornits believe the numbers to be much higher.

So which one of those two groups are you refering to?

If its the first are you now stating you believe the number of kids abused to be even less than already below 1% ?

If it's the second how can you speak for those people who havent commented on the matter at all?

You let me know Cupcake. In the mean time......

It appears from a Homicide/Suicide point of view as well as others the therapeutic sector is proving to be an extremely safe environment, especially TBS and Wilderness.

Cindy how can you make this claim since you have yet to examine any data regarding abuse within the TBS and Wilderness environments?

Is it your claim that no abuse occurs?

What sources are you using for deaths within the specified arenas since the sources you cite do not agree with you?

[TheWho]

I am guessing that long response was a no and an attempt to cover the fact you arent releasing the data you have......

So lets put this in perspective...... Bob indicated he has data on the abuse inside the Therapeutic sector (a study, perhaps, he did here on fornits). I think it is curious that he is sitting on the results. If it proved to be damaging to the industry I believe it would have been posted the minute it was compiled. But we know it wasn?t and he refuses to release it.

Could this be an indication that the reported occurrences of abuse inside TBS?s is a mere shadow of what he claims and releasing the data would support this conclusion?

Personally I think not releasing the information speaks volumes about the results.

[RobertBruce]

If you say so Cindy, you have no credibility here and no one cares what you think. Youve proven yourself a liar and a coward too many times.

The data is not my own, if you want it run a search and post it yourself, after all it's your claim not mine.

Until you do your data is useless and incomplete.