The Who

[RobertBruce]

Bob -- on Friday I will go back and read and review all your posts, collect your questions and respond. Until that time I will be skipping over your posts after this and during the week ....it will make it easier and save time for both of us.

I understand Cindy, youre being owned by so many others as it is, you can only take so much.

This is a result of many peoples requests to calm or quell, as you may, your Trolling

  That's interesting, seldom am I refered to as a troll, you on the other hand get called one almost daily.

On the bright side though according to you a troll is a hero really, so you calling me one can only be taken as the highest compliment.

Thanks dumbass!

[Troll Control]

Sorry DJ, she received therapy when she was at ASR by a licensed therapist.

So, are you going to sit there and tell me every group session your daughter had at ASR (three times weekly) was facilitated by a licensed therapist?  Is that what you're saying?  If so, you've done it again: Lied through your teeth.

We all know it's the "counselors" who hold the groups and not one single counselor at ASR is or was licensed to provide therapy - NOT ONE.

So, the question is not "Did she receive therapy from a licensed therapist at ASR?" because they do use a consulting doc to manage meds and do some individual sessions (usually once a month or once a quarter) so they can bill insurance.  

The question is "Did she ever receive therapy from an UNlicenced facilitator?"

Answer that, please.

[Anonymous]

DJ, why don't you make a new thread telling everyone, in excruciating detail, what the nitty gritty actually consists of? I think I've been asking for something like that for some time and can't recall you ever doing that.

C'mon DJ, stop trollfeeding and tell all the uneducated pissed-off ex-victims out there how this goes!

[Troll Control]

Methods and sources, Milk, methods and sources.  Do you think I would have been able to recruit a dozen hooked-in document farmers from a certain facility if I told everyone in advance exactly what I was going to do???  Not hardly.

Here's the deal:  Get me a small "tiger team" of motivated ASR enthusiasts, maybe three or four, and I will direct them in the most efficacious manner to get the state government to execise controls over ASR.

Now, if you're asking about the template I use to go after these quacks, well that's a different story and we should start a thread on that topic for sure.

[Anonymous]

Now, if you're asking about the template I use to go after these quacks, well that's a different story and we should start a thread on that topic for sure.

That's exactly what I was asking. Christ, DJ, you don't think I was asking for names, do you?

[TheWho]

Sorry DJ, she received therapy when she was at ASR by a licensed therapist.

So, are you going to sit there and tell me every group session your daughter had at ASR (three times weekly) was facilitated by a licensed therapist?  Is that what you're saying?  If so, you've done it again: Lied through your teeth.

We all know it's the "counselors" who hold the groups and not one single counselor at ASR is or was licensed to provide therapy - NOT ONE.

So, the question is not "Did she receive therapy from a licensed therapist at ASR?" because they do use a consulting doc to manage meds and do some individual sessions (usually once a month or once a quarter) so they can bill insurance.  

The question is "Did she ever receive therapy from an UNlicenced facilitator?"

Answer that, please.

Whoa, whoa, calm down, buddy.  No my daughter received regular therapy as she did at home from a licensed therapist, once a week as needed.  When I visited we met together and she also communicated with my daughter?s therapist at home.

You are so quick to judge people, DJ, call them liars.  Just listen to the answers, why is it you want to rip people apart and tear them down all the time?  This where you lose credibility, DJ

They had many group sessions involving the counselors and the kids, most public high schools break out into groups and have discussion groups, but my daughters? therapy was handled by a therapist.  There is a fundamental distinction that you miss here.  

My daughter never received therapy from an unlicensed person at ASR.

[RobertBruce]

Cindy you cannot have group therapy without the therapy. Therapy that was adminstered by an unlicensed therapist.

You can split all the hairs you like, youve lost all credibility forever on here. Either change your name or leave cause you wont accomplish anything.

[psy]

My daughter never received therapy from an unlicensed person at ASR.

Two questions:

What are you smoking?
Can i have some?

[Deborah]

DJ Wrote:

Another stone wall in the debate/discussion. What, you never spoke to this woman? Or are you intentionally withholding information necessary to check her licensure. I'd check all the ASR staff, but conveniently, they don't list them. How fortunate.

Look I don?t remember the name.  See this is why you lose credibility.  You discard information if someone doesn?t answer all you questions.  I can barely remember my daughters therapist she had a home and she worked with her for 3 years.
See this parallels the regulation question, since they are not regulated that means they are hiding something, in your opinion.

If I cant remember someone?s last name it means I am intentionally withholding information or they don?t exist or she doesn?t have a license, in your opinion.  This is why I don?t believe what you conclude.

Sorry DJ, she received therapy when she was at ASR by a licensed therapist.  I am sure someone will come on eventually and confirm this, until then you can live with your conspiracy theories

Not DJ's post. You misquoted.

Blah, blah, blahblahblah. Who, my son has been out of HLA for five years and I can tell you every person who was involved with him. And I was OPPOSED to the placement and haven't maintained contact with HLA as you have with ASR. I'm calling bullshit. Ask your daughter for her name.
Did you check her credentials and license? Or take the program's word?

[Deborah]

The more TheWho posts, the more I want to turn my attention to ASR like the unwavering Eye of Sauron on the One Ring.

*starts chanting*

Any volunteers to get down to the nitty gritty???

DJ, why don't you make a new thread telling everyone, in excruciating detail, what the nitty gritty actually consists of? I think I've been asking for something like that for some time and can't recall you ever doing that.

FIRST, you get a group of people with a vested interest that are committed to the process. Without this, you're pretty much pissin in the wind.
When that is accomplished, we can detail, line by line, how to proceed. If you've followed the HLA forum it's been detailed there. There are a few steps that were discussed in private, as not to give away all the surprises.

[Anonymous]

i guess my issue with all of you is that none of you have even been to the school and know nothing for a fact.  face it i have read all of you say is fact but truth is all innuendo.  you hold up as fact stuff that happened 7 years ago in an article.  you hold as fact what some former students have said...that is not even fact in a court case it is opinion and heresey.  you hold grudges against some programs like HLA which truly deserve to be closed down but never give anyone a chance to change improve or try new things.  you hold up this idea of licensure which is bullshit because there are active clinics and treatment centers where people work under another license, this is not just something that happens at ASR or other such places.   the people have to have so many years of experience to get licensed in the first place.  DJ if you are in the field and work in georgia i know for a fact you probably to work in the field for 4 years without a license seeing people under another license while you accumulated work hours and supervision hours.  so you cannot hold this up as a true issue because if that was the case then every treatment center in the USA would have to close.  i am not saying you are wrong but this forum is bullshit because no one even considers any grey area at all.

and milk gargling death penalty you are right the people who punished that little girl should be given capital sentences for their actions but i will say also not everyone in the field is them and not every program is theirs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

go ahead tear me apart

[TheWho]

Deborah Wrote:

Not DJ's post. You misquoted.

Blah, blah, blahblahblah. Who, my son has been out of HLA for five years and I can tell you every person who was involved with him. And I was OPPOSED to the placement and have maintained contact with HLA as you have with ASR. I'm calling bullshit. Ask your daughter for her name.
Did you check her credentials and license? Or take the program's word?

Sorry, Deborah, (& DJ) for the misquote.  I remember her counselors names, but first names only, as we called them.  There where just so many people, a couple dozen parents, 5-6 counselors that she interfaced with or liked, 20 other students she introduced me to and Awkwardly and openly (Ha,Ha) corrected me everytime I didnt remember their name.  Her counselor was Mike, and she had a few that she liked during group. Doug and David I believe.  And her therapist was Dr. Anna, she called her.  I haven?t maintained contact with everyone.  My daughter has maintained contact with most of her peer group and some of the kids from other groups.

I was very interested and involved in the therapy she would be getting and how we would hand off the baton, so to speak.  I flew out and met with her (to be therapist) and we went over her history and got her in contact with my daughters therapist at home.  They chatted, her degrees were on the wall and I remember looking her up on line.  She had her own private practice also in North Hampton? Which is a town close by.

[TheWho]

.......no one even considers any grey area at all.

Thank you guest.

[Anonymous]

What qualifications did the day to day staff have?  The ones that led the LifeSteps and were more of a daily counselor.  LifeSteps are incredibly intense and overwhelming and shouldn't be done by ANYone, let alone untrained staff.

[Deborah]

Whoa, whoa, calm down, buddy.  No my daughter received regular therapy as she did at home from a licensed therapist, once a week as needed.  When I visited we met together and she also communicated with my daughter?s therapist at home.

There's a way to confirm this. Dish over the woman's name and all the "counselors" who provided "therapy" throughout the week.

You are so quick to judge people, DJ, call them liars.  Just listen to the answers, why is it you want to rip people apart and tear them down all the time?  This where you lose credibility, DJ

Wah.  :cry2: We're having a passionate debate and calling into question your statements about ASR. You certainly have the option to ignore anything that insults your sensibilities and just answer the questions. That would be a start. In program terms, you're 'manipulating' the debate by complaining about attacks. If you're waiting for everyone to speak to you in a certain way, this discussion is a waste of time. Just answer the questions and ignore the delivery. We're after FACTS, not your opinion of other posters. You could prove DJ wrong by providing links to the counselors/therapist's license. Every state provides this information. If it's not important to you, then just say so.

My daughter never received therapy from an unlicensed person at ASR.

Can you prove that, or are we to take your and the program's word?