The Who

[Nihilanthic]

Estimation from interpolation is not the creation of data... unless you're getting really meta about it and saying that it is data generated from the interpolation function itself.

However it is not a "REAL" datum as... it doesn't exist (or was not collected) if you have to interpolate it.

[Troll Control]

In engineering and science one often has a number of data points, as obtained by Sampling or experiment, and tries to construct a function which closely fits those data points.

Funny you mention this, because I happen to be an engineer.  This is exactly what I told you earlier: interpolation is used to create a function, not a datapoint, as you have insisted.

So all you did was quaote what I already said and tried to say I didn't say it even though I said it verbatim.  It also happens to directly contradict what you said - that interpolation creates datapoints.

Thanks for proving beyond doubt that you were and are wrong about this and that you cannot accept responsibility for being wrong, nor admit it.  You've proven both of my points.  One, you have no idea what you're talking about and two, you will say or do anything to avoid admitting it.

[Troll Control]

Estimation from interpolation is not the creation of data... unless you're getting really meta about it and saying that it is data generated from the interpolation function itself.

However it is not a "REAL" datum as... it doesn't exist (or was not collected) if you have to interpolate it.

Yes, Niles!  You've grasped it on the first go-round!  Neatly done.

Now why can't the self-described expert make this connection.

Interpolation creates a function which is in no way, shape or form data.

Precisely my point, precisely as I argued it.  Now TheWho quotes me and says I'm arguing against myself.  Brilliant chap. :roll:

[Troll Control]

our math gurus to run an interpolation of the data to estimate the numbers as they would fit into our year.

Again, interpolation involves fixed data points, not estimations of data points.  Fire your gurus and yourself.

My original quote saying that interpolation involves datapoints, but does not create them.  This proves either you can't read, or you will tie yourself in knots to avoid saying you don't understand the topic.

Notice that interpolation is used to calculate a function and not datapoints.

I also said this.

Then you say this:

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Yes it does use datapoints !! why are you arguing this? Ha,Ha,Ha. You say I am being critical but you keep coming back with the wrong information.

I already said it USES datapoints, but CANNOT CREATE THEM.  

You QUOTED me then proceeded to MISquote me in your idiotic response!  Classic!

[TheWho]

Okay Bob, er I mean guest, I guess we could go round and round.  Our guys create a function based on existing data to fit our needs (interpolate).....this is our application ... and it works well and the IRS and CPA types like the results of our interpolation.

"Filling in unknown values in a sequence by examining known values. " .......... Creating data points

Here, check out the definition we use:

http://www.investorwords.com/2573/interpolation.html

[TheWho]

The subject of interpolation came about when we were discussing the differences in the time frames of the NCES data and the CDC data.  The NCES uses the time frame July1, thru June where the CDC uses the more traditional January thru December.  I believe we ascertained that the NCES requests a custom report (From the CDC) to fit their needs which led to the discussion of interpolation, anyway ?we have reviewed much data over the past few days and have not found an instance for the last 3 years in a TBS.  Here is what we look like today:

July 1, 1999 thru June 2000 [/u]

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides  and 1,415 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides  (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
July 1, 2003 thru June 2004  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open, 72 sources reviewed, mostly emails and news articles)*

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles, posts and PM?s

[Troll Control]

Okay Bob, er I mean guest, I guess we could go round and round.  Our guys create a function based on existing data to fit our needs (interpolate).....this is our application ... and it works well and the IRS and CPA types like the results of our interpolation.

"Filling in unknown values in a sequence by examining known values. " .......... Creating data points

Here, check out the definition we use:

http://www.investorwords.com/2573/interpolation.html

This is exactly wrong and exactly why I say you've no grasp of the subject matter.  You don't understand the difference between data and assertions made thereabout.  

What you describe cannot be, by definition, a datapoint.  It is an artificially created conclusion drawn by a human being using mathematics to estimate a particular phenomenon in original, empiric data (interpolation).  

This is the fundamental reason that illustrates that you simply do not comprehend the subject; the very premise of your argument is false, therefore any conclusion you draw from this premise is necessarily false as well.  This is basic, introductory logic.  You ne3d to take some classes.

[Ganja]

116, now.

WITHOUT REPLIES, THE TROLL DIES.

Still counting...

[TheWho]

Okay Bob, er I mean guest, I guess we could go round and round.  Our guys create a function based on existing data to fit our needs (interpolate).....this is our application ... and it works well and the IRS and CPA types like the results of our interpolation.

"Filling in unknown values in a sequence by examining known values. " .......... Creating data points

Here, check out the definition we use:

http://www.investorwords.com/2573/interpolation.html

This is exactly wrong and exactly why I say you've no grasp of the subject matter.  You don't understand the difference between data and assertions made thereabout.  

What you describe cannot be, by definition, a datapoint.  It is an artificially created conclusion drawn by a human being using mathematics to estimate a particular phenomenon in original, empiric data (interpolation).  

This is the fundamental reason that illustrates that you simply do not comprehend the subject; the very premise of your argument is false, therefore any conclusion you draw from this premise is necessarily false as well.  This is basic, introductory logic.  You ne3d to take some classes.

Here let me try to explain this again, this is really basic stats, okay one more time:

In Origin, the interpolation and extrapolation operations allow you to add data points to your dataset where there once were no data points. Interpolation allows you to add new data points between pairs of existing data points, while extrapolation allows you to add data points that extend beyond the beginning or ending values of your data range.

We are filling in datapoints:

Here is another link for you:

http://www.originlab.com/index.aspx?s=8&lm=115&pid=81

[Troll Control]

I believe we ascertained that the NCES requests a custom report (From the CDC) to fit their needs

No.  You simply made this up and now say it was "ascertained."  It wasn't.  This is your guess, not a fact.  Strangely, you can't ascertain the difference between something real and factual and something you made up.  Why does that not surprise me...?

This guy is living in Bizarro World. :silly:  ::bangin::

[psy]

@The Who

Who do you work for?
If you don't feel like answering that one, what area do you work in? what is your job?

[TheWho]

The funny thing about this argument is it has nothing to do with the data we are collecting,  it has to do with some people at my company and how they deal with missing parameters to satisfy our CPA?s.  But I think it will serve some purpose.

[Troll Control]

118 pages now.  It just keeps going, and going, and going...::soapbox::

It's too funny that the Whomeister keeps getting proven wrong over and over and will never admit it, he just keeps on banging away at it.  This is probably the type of behavior that infuriated his daughter so much and inflamed her difficulties. I can definitely see how someone so out of touch with reality and so insistent on never admitting he was at fault for anything or wrong about anything could wear down that poor kid until she'd do anything to get away from it.  I bet he never tells her about his posting here.  If she ever read any of it she'd be so embarrassed it's not even funny.   He's actually more than likely even sicker than she already thinks.  This would put it over the top for her.  Betcha.

[Troll Control]

The funny thing about this argument is it has nothing to do with the data we are collecting,  it has to do with some people at my company and how they deal with missing parameters to satisfy our CPA?s.  But I think it will serve some purpose.

Oh yeah, it serves a purpose alright.  Shines a little light on what a crackpot you are!

[Troll Control]

@Psy-

Who's employment is like the first dozen pages of this glorious thread...  Enjoy. :roll: