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« Reply #1395 on: February 06, 2007, 08:46:26 PM »
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Well i don't want to obey the speed limit but i would suppose quite a few pedestrians (and my insurance provider) are glad i (mostly) do.

But what if you were a cab driver and you did obey the speed limit because it was the right thing to do and then the regulation people come along and wanted to start installing devices in all the cars to send data back to their office so they could monitor (regulate) your speed from their office.  They send you a letter in the mail and say it is really a good idea if you get this device, it will help out the state and your fares in the long run.  Just give us a call when you are ready and then drive out to see us and we will give you the device.  You can then go to your local service station or dealer and have it installed at a nominal price.  The service will only cost you a few dollars a month.  If a violation occurs and you exceed the speed limit, say doing 37 mph in a 35mph zone we would not issue a summons right away but would give you the opportunity to respond to us in writing on why you exceeded the limit and what you intend to do in the future to insure it doesn?t happen again.  We would review it and determine if you should be fined or not.  You can always drive out and protest the decision in person if you like.
How many cabbies would sign up?  If you didn?t sign up would it make you a terrible driver?  Would it mean you are trying to hide something about your driving habits?  Would you be the first one in line?

If I came along and told you that the state was swamped and had no funding to follow up on all of this and if you don?t get the device they wouldn?t know it for two years at least and there would be no fines, anyway.  Which way would you go?  Would your decision make you a bad person or your fares be put in any worse danger?

You've taken a so-so analogy and made it much worse.  That tends to happen when analogies are continued...  they lose a bit of pertainance with each generation.

The situation you are describing would make a cabbie's life hell.  However, we are dealing with kids, not cab fares... there are a few major differences here:

  Cab fares can get out if they think the driver is nuts.  If cabbies were programs here's what would happen:
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Cabbie: *runs stopsigns...*
Fare: "what the hell... you just ran a stopsign"
Cabbie: "So who are you going to tell.  nobody will believe you. you're just a fare"
Fare:  "Let me out"
Cabbie:  "Not until my dispatcher gets authorization"
Fare:  "I'm not paying the fare... this is kidnapping"
Cabbie:  "You're right about that.. but this credit card just keeps charging"
Fare:  "i'm calling the cops..."
Cabbie:  "with what phone... oh you mean my phone...  not without the dispatcher's permission... write a proposal *chuckles*"


You get the point...

It's one thing when you're talking about a 5mph over speed violation...  There are cops to enforce that.. there are no speed limits on the industry, and where there are there are no cops for miles and miles...

I get your point... that "what if regulations cause some good schools to close down."

i see it this way... "what if regulations cause some good drivers, who speed with good intentions, to either follow the speed limit, or stop driving"

Why is it a good analogy?  Becuase if the driver isn't speeding, he/she has nothing to fear from speed limits.  But the industry is speeding.  EG Schools use techniques that could potentially, and have, harmed kids.

But what if it gets the fare there quicker?

These are kids.  They deserve the maximum amount of safety... and unlike your big brother cabbie analogy... state regulation would only hurt those who were "breaking the speed limit".

So what if it creates a burden for the schools.  An industry claiming to benefit kids should spare no expense to do so.  It may be a hassle... beaurocracy can do that, but without cops... what would the state of traffic be.  Could you imagine a "self regulating" traffic system?  That was tried..  it failed .. miserably ...
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« Reply #1396 on: February 06, 2007, 08:51:45 PM »
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.
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« Reply #1397 on: February 06, 2007, 08:53:30 PM »
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The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.


burn in hell you traitorous bitch.  go suck lon off for a lump of crack...

The amount of contempt i feel for you is immeasurable.  You have become the abuser now.  Rationalize it all you want.. you will live with the guilt of your actions.  You have started down a path you will regret.  Mark my words on that.  Sue Scheff never suffered as you did...  if she did... maybe she would never have considered doing what she did... You know full well what you are doing.  You do not have ignorance as an excuse.

I seriously hope there is a hell for people like you
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« Reply #1398 on: February 06, 2007, 09:08:26 PM »
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The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.



Oh look Cindy you finally got someone dumb enough to buy into your nonsense. Congradulations!    :D
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« Reply #1399 on: February 06, 2007, 09:19:37 PM »
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These are kids. They deserve the maximum amount of safety... and unlike your big brother cabbie analogy... state regulation would only hurt those who were "breaking the speed limit".

Well?.dam?that makes some sense?.sh*t?let me see

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So what if it creates a burden for the schools. An industry claiming to benefit kids should spare no expense to do so. It may be a hassle... beaurocracy can do that, but without cops... what would the state of traffic be. Could you imagine a "self regulating" traffic system? That was tried.. it failed .. miserably ...


Well?.good response?.I don?t advocate self regulation, at all.  I am trying to understand why the schools would want to be regulated.  Not wanting to be regulated I understand.  If mother Theresa was running a school I don?t think she would want these guys looking under her skirt and telling her she cant use the word ?God? in public because they have received complaints from atheists in the area.  She believes she is doing a good job.  But, If mother Theresa signs up for regulation she can tell the world she has oversight from the state and therefore the kids are better protected and receive the proper care?and if the word gets out?  this in turn will make the parents happy and more parents will want to send there kids to mother Theresa vs ASR or HLA/Straight etc. and Mother Theresa will receive many more kids at $6,000/ month than her competition and her cause would grow.
Then all the others , ASR, HLA,Straight would have to follow suit or bow out of the game, right and the kids would benefit immediately, I would sign up tomorrow for this??? how do we start to make this happen?
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« Reply #1400 on: February 06, 2007, 09:22:02 PM »
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The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.

burn in hell you traitorous bitch.  go suck lon off for a lump of crack...

The amount of contempt i feel for you is immeasurable.  You have become the abuser now.  Rationalize it all you want.. you will live with the guilt of your actions.  You have started down a path you will regret.  Mark my words on that.  Sue Scheff never suffered as you did...  if she did... maybe she would never have considered doing what she did... You know full well what you are doing.  You do not have ignorance as an excuse.

Temper, temper Psy! Get a hold of yourself!!!!

I seriously hope there is a hell for people like you
know this:  Your money will not buy your soul back
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« Reply #1401 on: February 06, 2007, 09:29:56 PM »
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Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.


Oh look Cindy you finally got someone dumb enough to buy into your nonsense. Congradulations!    :D

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #1402 on: February 06, 2007, 09:34:12 PM »
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These are kids. They deserve the maximum amount of safety... and unlike your big brother cabbie analogy... state regulation would only hurt those who were "breaking the speed limit".

Well?.dam?that makes some sense?.sh*t?let me see

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So what if it creates a burden for the schools. An industry claiming to benefit kids should spare no expense to do so. It may be a hassle... beaurocracy can do that, but without cops... what would the state of traffic be. Could you imagine a "self regulating" traffic system? That was tried.. it failed .. miserably ...

Well?.good response?.I don?t advocate self regulation, at all.  I am trying to understand why the schools would want to be regulated.  Not wanting to be regulated I understand.  If mother Theresa was running a school I don?t think she would want these guys looking under her skirt and telling her she cant use the word ?God? in public because they have received complaints from atheists in the area.

federal regulation is not equivalent to federal funding...
All schools are regulated by the state to some extent... only schools that have no affiliation are entitled to federal funding.  If a school wants to be  a christian school... fine.

Personally..  I really don't think mother Theresa would care if there was government oversight into what she did.  "Looking up her skirt" would violate her personal privacy.  Looking up the skirt of school is every parent, and every child's right.  What do they have to hide?  Schools exist for the benefit of the customers, and customers have a right to demand accountability and oversight.  They shouldn't have to ultimately... that's what state regulation is supposed to be for: so there is some authority making sure the kids aren't being abused, and their human rights are being respected.

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She believes she is doing a good job.  But, If mother Theresa signs up for regulation she can tell the world she has oversight from the state and therefore the kids are better protected and receive the proper care?and if the word gets out?  this in turn will make the parents happy and more parents will want to send there kids to mother Theresa vs ASR or HLA/Straight etc. and Mother Theresa will receive many more kids at $6,000/ month than her competition and her cause would grow.
Then all the others , ASR, HLA,Straight would have to follow suit or bow out of the game, right and the kids would benefit immediately, I would sign up tomorrow for this??? how do we start to make this happen?


Well that's the idea.  But regulation, as i've said earlier, ultimately hurts the bottom line of these schools... not directly, but by requiring changes (some costly but necessary for the safety of the kids).

Do i think regulation is possible voluntarily?  No.  Will legislation be effective on the state level?  No.  Will federal legislation?  Got enough cash for lobbyists? No...  But we have survivors.. lots of em.  and they are pissed.  Organization is what is needed... Cafety is a good start.  From there... affecting federal legislation hopefully...
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« Reply #1403 on: February 06, 2007, 09:40:03 PM »
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The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.


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« Reply #1404 on: February 06, 2007, 09:41:38 PM »
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The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.

burn in hell you traitorous bitch.  go suck lon off for a lump of crack...

The amount of contempt i feel for you is immeasurable.  You have become the abuser now.  Rationalize it all you want.. you will live with the guilt of your actions.  You have started down a path you will regret.  Mark my words on that.  Sue Scheff never suffered as you did...  if she did... maybe she would never have considered doing what she did... You know full well what you are doing.  You do not have ignorance as an excuse.

Temper, temper Psy! Get a hold of yourself!!!!

I seriously hope there is a hell for people like you
know this:  Your money will not buy your soul back


You can still staff seminars if you want, did you know that?!!! It's exciting isn't it?!!
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« Reply #1405 on: February 06, 2007, 09:42:17 PM »
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Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.


Oh look Cindy you finally got someone dumb enough to buy into your nonsense. Congradulations!    :D


 :P  :rofl:  :lol:  :rofl:
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« Reply #1406 on: February 06, 2007, 09:54:15 PM »
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Schools exist for the benefit of the customers, and customers have a right to demand accountability and oversight. They shouldn't have to ultimately... that's what state regulation is supposed to be for: so there is some authority making sure the kids aren't being abused, and their human rights are being respected.


Exactly, The customer is the parent, the product is the child.  The schools will respond primarily/initially to the needs of the parent not the child, although there is an assumption (made by the parents) that the child is protected from being abused and having their rights violated.  If the parents are not educated or know enough about the industry to understand what is needed for their child or they are being taken advantage of by the industry the state should be there, step in and advocate for that child.  There should be something in place to protect the child?s rights and insure no abuse is taking place.  As a minimum standard this should be true in any state.
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« Reply #1407 on: February 06, 2007, 09:57:48 PM »
Exactly, The customer is the parent, the bloody product is the bloody child. Cor blimey guv! The schools will respond primarily/initially ter the bloody needs of the parent not the bleedin' child, alffough there is an assumption (made by the parents) that the child is protected from bein' abused and 'avin' their rights violated, right? If the parents ain't educated or know enough about the bloomin' industry ter understand woss needed for their child or they are bein' taken advantage of by the chuffin' industry the state should be there, step in and advocate for that child. There should be sumfink in place ter protect the bloody child?s rights and insure no abuse is takin' place. Right. As a minimum standard this should be true in any state.
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« Reply #1408 on: February 06, 2007, 09:58:17 PM »
Exactly, The customer is the parent, the bloody product is the bloody child. Cor blimey guv! The schools will respond primarily/initially ter the bloody needs of the parent not the bleedin' child, alffough there is an assumption (made by the parents) that the child is protected from bein' abused and 'avin' their rights violated, right? If the parents ain't educated or know enough about the bloomin' industry ter understand woss needed for their child or they are bein' taken advantage of by the chuffin' industry the state should be there, step in and advocate for that child. There should be sumfink in place ter protect the bloody child?s rights and insure no abuse is takin' place. Right. As a minimum standard this should be true in any state.
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« Reply #1409 on: February 06, 2007, 10:03:02 PM »
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Exactly, The customer is the parent, the bloody product is the bloody child. Cor blimey guv! The schools will respond primarily/initially ter the bloody needs of the parent not the bleedin' child, alffough there is an assumption (made by the parents) that the child is protected from bein' abused and 'avin' their rights violated, right? If the parents ain't educated or know enough about the bloomin' industry ter understand woss needed for their child or they are bein' taken advantage of by the chuffin' industry the state should be there, step in and advocate for that child. There should be sumfink in place ter protect the bloody child?s rights and insure no abuse is takin' place. Right. As a minimum standard this should be true in any state.

 :rofl:  :silly:  ::bwahaha::
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