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« Reply #795 on: January 13, 2007, 10:46:15 PM »
I don't remember a single suicide while anyone was in Straight, but there sure have been a shitload of people who killed themselves after.
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« Reply #796 on: January 13, 2007, 11:16:28 PM »
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Thanks, I can appreciate that.  Almost all my friends growing up are not dead or in jail (I had one friend who hung himself in high school).  I dont know of anyone of them who went away to a TBS.  Family upbringing was enough for them as it is for 99% of all kids.  Its those very few that need a little bit extra help that they cant get at home or by local services.  Not every kid that is in trouble or "At Risk"  needs to go to a TBS.  I don?t think anyone is advocating that.  A TBS is a last resort, when all other efforts have failed.....I know many believe that all these kids are there because they smoked pot once, take it from me, its a bunch of crap.  Many of these kids are there because they need help.  I am sure some parents over react and make a poor choice, but this is an anomaly.


Well again who look @ the ASR kids in what it takes to pull me through. It was you who recommended this book to me for balance afterall. Tyrone was not in trouble to the extent that he needed intense therapy, he could have done well at a small local private school which keeps in close contact with the parents. They clearly preyed on his mothers fear that he would grow up to be like his dad. Bianca was also not necessarily in deep trouble either. Her dad never even tried a female therapist at home!!! Instrad of accepting her boyfriend and setting out some kind of ground rules he panicked, helping to cause some kind of "romeo and Juliet" hysteria  and shipped her off. Or DJ given that this kid had not touched drugs and was too imature to have been sexually active how was he in the desperate 1%. What this book highlighted to me was that amongst kids who are really lost and being penalised for it, there are also pretty bog standard kids who dont need this kind of "treatment" at all!
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« Reply #797 on: January 13, 2007, 11:38:31 PM »
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Doing nothing worked just fine for me, and plenty of other risk taking teens who now in their 40s like me.

Doing nothing also worked for a relative of mine. This kid took a fair few drugs, rejected the family faith and got kicked out of private school. TBS was not an option and at 28 this guy is not dead insane or in jail. He never went through a phase of not talking to his loved ones for years. He never went on to university but if this is the issue for parents then they need to ask themselves whose dreams they are pursuing!


I drank from the age of 16 to 30, spent most of my twenties in a Bukowski haze of menial jobs, bad relationships and toilet hugging mornings.  Ironically, I sobered up while working railroad cars at a bourbon distillery.  I have friends from high school who are dead or in jail, we drank and dabbled in drugs and maintained high G.P.A's and were great jocks(except my bookworm ass).  No one would have thought we had problems.  It was only midway through college that the two I'm thinking of fell apart.  One's dead, one's in prison for assault and battery and getting four DUI's in one month.  He got out briefly and beat his ex-girlfriend while drunk and went back to prison.

Dr. Huffine of A START has written that high school addiction is rare.  It might start there, but doesn't become addiction until considerably later.  Normative adolescent behavior involves experimentation and some acting out.  The problem I see is people my age catch their kids engaging in "risky" behavior and freak out, and if they can afford it they send their kids to a program.  Most of these parents experimented, so why the double standard for the kids?  Maybe the parents are unfamiliar with the new recreational drugs like Ecstacy (they shoudn't be - any parents prone to experimentation back in the day probably experimented with MDMA and don't realize it's Ecstacy)

These TBS/programs are expensive, and the affluent don't want to have their reputation and standing in the community being besmirched by Junior getting busted for having a pocketful of Oxycontin or Xanax. (nevermind the kid probably swiped them off Dad)  So, they send the kids off to a "reputable" program, the more expensive the better, and the neighbors admire them for "doing the best" for Junior.  The kid might show signs of improvement upon returning home, but without the prison-like structure and isolation of the program the world is in front of them again, like a candy store full of delights.

My daughter picked up deviant peer habits at Peninsula Village - she discovered cutting from her peers, a practice I was blissfully  unfamiliar with.  She also heard stories during group session that made her want to try cocaine, or meth.  She was forced to go to AA meetings  Our girl had no substance abuse problems.  She had smoked pot twice with her older brother and drank once, at her biological father's house with beer he bought for her and two other underage kids.  They had a case of beer and ended up violently sick.

Now that she's home, the cutting stopped.  It was done out of frustration at being trapped in a place she knew she didn't belong in.  After her mom was banned from face-to-face therapy sessions for photographing an improper restraint, contact between the two was cut-off:  no face-to-face contact, no phone sessions.  The staff told our girl she was on "mom restriction" indefinitely.  Four months, until legal pressure forced PV to let her go.  PV's explanation was that mother and daughter were in "collusion to undermine treatment".  PV couldn't accept that perhaps it was our daughter's anger at being separated from her mom while being forced to have family sessions with her real father, who she had been estranged from for over three years.  He didn't know his daughter at all.   Dad's role in family therapy ended when his daughter angrily ended a session with him after he "called her out", she vowing to never attend a session with him again.  

Long story, but some kids are sent to TBS/WTF/hellcamps for reasons that don't exist.  I worry these are the kids most likely to harm themselves, because they feel betrayed and they know they're different from the violent and extremely disturbed kids around them.

Our girl's back, healthy, happy and involved in some good local therapy. She's expressed an urge to get one of the girls still at PV out, because the girl doesn't belong there and needs to be removed before she ends up "damaged".

I'm not suggesting Darwin's survival of the fittest for troubled teens, although theWho seems to take that view.  All I'm saying is if you love your kids, you'll watch them and try to talk to them if you're concerned.  If it looks like a problem is present, get a counselor or psychologist and be involved with your child during the sessions.  There's also community based treatment, which is considerably cheaper than a TBS and doesn't require the child to be ripped from the home or school.  The treatment team comes to the family home, three times or more a week.  Wraparound treatment not only helps the child, they work with the parents and give them better parenting and communicative skills.  If you really want to help your kid and ego-free enough to accept advice on how to improve your parenting, Wraparound treatment is for your family.  If you can't accept any fault for your kids problems and only want the troublemakers gone, there's a program waiting to make false promises to you and take your money.
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #798 on: January 14, 2007, 12:04:27 AM »
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Thanks, I can appreciate that.  Almost all my friends growing up are not dead or in jail (I had one friend who hung himself in high school).  I dont know of anyone of them who went away to a TBS.  Family upbringing was enough for them as it is for 99% of all kids.  Its those very few that need a little bit extra help that they cant get at home or by local services.  Not every kid that is in trouble or "At Risk"  needs to go to a TBS.  I don?t think anyone is advocating that.  A TBS is a last resort, when all other efforts have failed.....I know many believe that all these kids are there because they smoked pot once, take it from me, its a bunch of crap.  Many of these kids are there because they need help.  I am sure some parents over react and make a poor choice, but this is an anomaly.


Bullshit.  Just take a look at any of the so called assessment tests on any of these places websites.  It's ridiculous.  If your child has two or more of the following, they may need treatment.  :roll:  Then they go on to describe just about every single teen in America.  



Within the last six months, has your child:

Had any changes in behavior and / or mood? (i.e. sad, angry, withdrawn, etc.)

Exhibited depressive symptoms? (i.e. weight loss, weight gain, excessive sleep, etc.)

Had problems getting along with others?

Do you suspect that your child has used drugs or alcohol?

Has your child disregarded family rules and parental guidance?

Has you child been able to escape consequences due to the ability to manipulate people and situations?

Had problems in school? (i.e. poor grades, challenging authority, etc.)

Intentionally frightened others?

Made threatening statements in writing?

Implied that they may have a plan for violent or suicidal behavior?

Implied that they have identified a target for violence?
   
Been destructive to property?



They're not aiming for 1% of the population.  They want 'em all.
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« Reply #799 on: January 14, 2007, 12:16:35 AM »
Let's talk about the ultimate behavior modification treatment:  The Ludovico cure in a Clockwork Orange.  Alex was broken down and deprived of the choice between good and evil.  Any attempted deviation from his "cure" and he received excruciating consequences.
Alex's drive for the ultraviolence and crime was there, no attempt had been made to seek it's source, but if he gave into it, he received the consequence of nausea and pain.  So, hence the title of Burgess' book:  On the outside, a smooth, healthy looking individual; inside, a clockwork of gears and mechanical processes that kept Alex "civilized".

As sick as it sounds, a lot of parents would have no problem with the Ludovico cure as long as little Alphonse comes back boring and docile.  Nevermind the mental schism created within Alphonse by the loss of free will.
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« Reply #800 on: January 14, 2007, 12:19:19 AM »
That comparison has been made a lot and it's a valid one.
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« Reply #801 on: January 14, 2007, 12:22:39 AM »
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Ganja, I actually have to thank you, I had a cause and did what you said I was sent on a mission and picked up the Deluxe edition, sat back and enjoyed myself.  I grabbed the Quadrophenia CD also when I was out (haven?t opened it yet).  I skipped around a lot for the first hour.  I settled into ?My Generation? which was different than the original release as I remember.  It ran on for 16 minutes, similar to what I had heard in concert in ?73, they really let Townsend loose on this edition.  I caught ?Happy Jack? which I have not heard in years and ?smash the mirror? ? anyway

You're welcome. I was glad when you said you intended to take my advice and treat yourself to one of the best live recordings ever to find its way onto pressed vinyl or optical plastic, not to mention it was created by the group that bears your namesake.

Listen to disc 2 start to finish. They pretty much perform Tommy in its entirety (though the order's a little jumbled) in one amazing chunk. It's beyond classic rock; Live at Leeds is pure genius. I will have to listen to the LP again sometime soon for an in-depth comparison....  There is like twice as much material on those two CDs as there was on the original album release.... pretty amazing shit for 1970!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_at_Leeds
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« Reply #802 on: January 14, 2007, 12:23:58 AM »
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Thanks, I can appreciate that.  Almost all my friends growing up are not dead or in jail (I had one friend who hung himself in high school).  I dont know of anyone of them who went away to a TBS.  Family upbringing was enough for them as it is for 99% of all kids.  Its those very few that need a little bit extra help that they cant get at home or by local services.  Not every kid that is in trouble or "At Risk"  needs to go to a TBS.  I don?t think anyone is advocating that.  A TBS is a last resort, when all other efforts have failed.....I know many believe that all these kids are there because they smoked pot once, take it from me, its a bunch of crap.  Many of these kids are there because they need help.  I am sure some parents over react and make a poor choice, but this is an anomaly.

Bullshit.  Just take a look at any of the so called assessment tests on any of these places websites.  It's ridiculous.  If your child has two or more of the following, they may need treatment.  :roll:  Then they go on to describe just about every single teen in America.  



Within the last six months, has your child:

Had any changes in behavior and / or mood? (i.e. sad, angry, withdrawn, etc.)

Exhibited depressive symptoms? (i.e. weight loss, weight gain, excessive sleep, etc.)

Had problems getting along with others?

Do you suspect that your child has used drugs or alcohol?

Has your child disregarded family rules and parental guidance?

Has you child been able to escape consequences due to the ability to manipulate people and situations?

Had problems in school? (i.e. poor grades, challenging authority, etc.)

Intentionally frightened others?

Made threatening statements in writing?

Implied that they may have a plan for violent or suicidal behavior?

Implied that they have identified a target for violence?
   
Been destructive to property?



They're not aiming for 1% of the population.  They want 'em all.


Shit, they seem to want me, too.  Peninsula Village caused me to exhibit most of those signs, except the problems in school.  I'm 40 years old and wasn't even in PV, but my dealings with them brought a lot of these "warning signs" out in me while working to get my girl out.
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« Reply #803 on: January 14, 2007, 12:49:15 AM »
I just found this over on Fark and thought it was interesting.


http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/d ... 64898.html

Do you want to help overweight kids, or just insult them?

January 8, 2007

Insults or encouragement?



We need a positive message to give children the gift of good health, writes Leslie Cannold.

FAT camps, prohibitions on junk food advertising, bans on sugary drinks in school canteens, Medicare subsidies for private weight-loss programs, chair-free classrooms, food pyramids. School weigh-ins, public service announcements telling kids to take more exercise, public hospital weight management clinics for the young. Bulging childhood waistlines as risk factors for diabetes, heart disease, escalating health care costs and social exclusion. Childhood obesity as lifestyle choice, disease, biological destiny or the result of parental ignorance, sloth or permissiveness. And in 2006, a three-fold increase in the number of Melbourne children ? some as young as 10 ? admitted to hospital with eating disorders resulting from their morbid fear of fat.

And of winding up unloveable and unloved?

Surely, I am not the only person who has noticed that not only has our current approach to the "youth obesity epidemic"("youth out of control epidemic") been ineffective in reducing our children's collective girth, but also violates the first-order principle of medical ethics that above all, we must do no harm.

How does calling our kids tubby harm them? These days everyone knows that "fat" is more than a physical description of body mass, but a negative assessment of physical attractiveness and moral worth. Despite protests outside the White House by overweight Americans holding placards insisting that "fat is not a four-letter word", children today are well aware of the connection in the popular mind between the generously waisted and the indiscreet, the lazy, the pitiful, the asexual and the wildly out of control. Cultural researchers say it is no coincidence that in times of sexual permissiveness and consumerist plenty, thinness is idealised for representing virtue, self-denial and self-control.

Children's bodies change rapidly right up to their early 20s, with the pre-teen and teen years critical moments for the development of self-identity and self-esteem. It's hard to imagine a worse time for children to be told their developing bodies are an eyesore and evidence of poor moral character.

Just as damning is the inevitable failure of any behavioural-change approach obsessed with cataloguing and stamping out fat (drugs, sex, anger depression). Behavioural change relies on our feeling good about ourselves, something just as true for children as for adults. The higher the temperature surrounding the moral panic, the worse overweight ("troubled") children are likely to feel about themselves, and the less likely they are to feel worthy of their own efforts to change.

This counterproductive behavioural circularity that begins with low self-esteem is familiar to addiction counsellors, and is no less evident ? should we care to listen ? in the testimony of the overweight. "You get in a vicious circle about losing weight," Diane O'Mara told The Age earlier this year. "You eat the wrong thing, then you feel bad, then you eat more." The nexus between harsh social judgements of the obese (or panic and overreaction to "troubled teen"), their low self-esteem and consequent inability to lose weight (acting out)is summed up by American professor and author Peter Stearns. "If you fail to lose weight(tow the program line, including AA), you are demonstrating you're a bad person. It's a big burden. Faced with this additional pressure, you are even more likely to say 'The hell with it! I'm going to get ice-cream (whatever behavior is freaking out parents). I am such a bad person I need to solace myself.' "

Of course, the poor correlation between negative self-esteem and successful weight loss serves the diet industry. Studies suggest that only when consumers hate their overweight bodies(scared into thinking junior is going to be deadinsaneorinjail), and believe them unattractive, are they motivated to dig deep for the diet products(TBS/RTC) and services worth more than $500 million a year in Australia. As well, the now accepted paradox that dieting makes you fat ensures that the vast majority of consumers will "fail" and ? dragging their bedraggled self-esteem behind them ? return for further expensive but ineffective "therapy".::bangin::

But if insults are counter-productive and hand-wringing is out, what should we be doing? In general terms, we need to stop talking about the depravity of fat, and focus instead on the desirability of good health. Focusing on obesity inevitably leads to "don't" and "shouldn't" messages that problematically posit guilt and counterproductively idealise penitent self-denial. In contrast, promoting good health lends itself to messages of "do" (eat healthy foods) and "dessert" (as in, you deserve it) that connect self-nurture with the bodily well-being necessary to enjoy the good things in life.

Positive messages are also more likely to be effective in promoting behavioural change, and insofar as they focus more on the importance of staying active rather than on what we eat, may even be more consistent with the medical evidence. Paul Campos, professor of law at the University of Colorado and author of The Obesity Myth argues that activity is a better predictor of health than weight and that, "There is no good evidence that significant long-term weight loss is beneficial to health".

We need to speak to our children, and about them, in ways that make our love for them, and approval of the people they are becoming, crystal clear. Teaching them how to nurture themselves by eating healthy food and participating in physical activity they enjoy is the most ethical and effective way for us as parents, and as a society, to offer them the gift of good health.

Dr Leslie Cannold is a Melbourne academic and writer
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« Reply #804 on: January 14, 2007, 01:03:52 AM »
Yeah I read this @ work last wk. Often people have asked what i think it would take to being TBS here sucessfully and I did wonder ifr it was the whole fat kids issue. it seems to have hit a public nerve of late. it is scary. if a kid here takes drugs or drinkds too much it is viewed as a matter for the family to deal with. if they are mentally unwell there is a groundswell of sympathy and love, but the "obesity Crisis" is apparently destroying the bronzed Aussie public image so drastic measures are required!!! i hope that nobody does a BBC doco on wellsprings which shows miraculous results or I would bet my house it comes here.

I agree with everything this woman says!!!!
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« Reply #805 on: January 14, 2007, 01:05:21 AM »
Gotten a chance to look over that site yet Cindy? It's chock full of things you claim don't happen. Are they all lying Cindy?
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« Reply #806 on: January 14, 2007, 01:08:55 AM »
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Shit, they seem to want me, too.  Peninsula Village caused me to exhibit most of those signs, except the problems in school.  I'm 40 years old and wasn't even in PV, but my dealings with them brought a lot of these "warning signs" out in me while working to get my girl out.


yeah, I can't tell you how man AA meetings I went to that talked about how everyone could benefit from AA and the poor "normies" just didn't understnad how wonderful life could be. :roll:  But that's why the developed Al Anon, ACOA and now.....drum roll please.....Adult GRANDCHILDREN of alcoholics.  :o  Not to mention all the other "anon" groups.  It's applied to everything now.
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« Reply #807 on: January 14, 2007, 04:00:17 PM »
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And in 2006, a three-fold increase in the number of Melbourne children ? some as young as 10 ? admitted to hospital with eating disorders resulting from their morbid fear of fat.

10 year old obsessed with fat??? I didn't understand this until a step-mom came into the picture who was obsessed with avoiding fat. My sons (both thin and raised on a healthy diet) complained that everything at their dad's was fat-free, that every discussion at mealtime revolved around the dreaded 'fat' and weight loss, measuring, portion control...... That she obsessed about her weight and imposed the same limits on them. Those were her issues and fears and sh0uldn't have been the ever present topic of family discussions.
Ironically, they sent the younger to HLA where he was fed white bread and american cheese sandwiches for two meals a day for the better part of the first four months he was there, this was their 'restrictions' diet- would CEDU call this "bans on healthy food"? Not that the regular diet at HLA was healthy...mostly fried food. He didn't gain weight, he actually lost weight, and became dependent on flonase and claritin.
I've read of other programs where kids (particularly girls) who gain excessive amounts of weight due the the high carb diet they're fed. And have read that the treatment for eating disorders was to force the kid to eat everything on their plate, whether they liked it or not- only creates other eating issues.
Perhaps Aspen will get some referrals for kids exiting TBSs with eating issues, some which they didn't have prior to program.

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Just as damning is the inevitable failure of any behavioural-change approach obsessed with cataloguing and stamping out fat.


Precisely. Fat is a necessary compent of a healthy diet. Excessive fat leads to health problems- which is what overweight is. Eating low-fat can actually contribute to further weight gain, as the body needs to eat things as they are in nature. When you remove the fat, your body has a difficult time metabolizing the food. Fat is there for a reason. The key, moderation, and consuming less saturated fats.
Modern humans consume way too much Omega 6 fat and not nearly enough Omega 3. We should have 1 O3 to 3 O6,  The average American diet contains 10-20 times more O6 than O3. Why? Cause they rarely eat dark green veggies, walnuts, oily fish, etc. And taste buds have been conditioned to O6.
I've found it difficult to impossible to teach an old dog new tricks. The key is to provide healthy food for kids, so that is established in childhood. Even if they turn to the SAD diet, they have that reference point and have already acquired a taste for healthy food which can be re-established. For alot of these kids, they have no reference point for eating for health.
I still laugh at my sil's comment when he saw me eating steamed Kale. "What's that, garnish?" Yeh garnish, (laugh) otherwise known as Kale. It's edible and is probably the most healthy thing on the plate at a restaurant.
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« Reply #808 on: January 14, 2007, 05:13:55 PM »
THIS JUST IN:

"THEWHO" IS LIKE STEROIDS FOR BULLSHIT AND THREADS THAT ARE A WASTE OF GINGER'S BANDWIDTH AND HARD DISK SPACE!
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

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« Reply #809 on: January 14, 2007, 06:49:25 PM »
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"THEWHO" IS LIKE STEROIDS FOR BULLSHIT AND THREADS THAT ARE A WASTE OF GINGER'S BANDWIDTH AND HARD DISK SPACE!



Niles of all people!  I might accept that from a few here.  But I don?t think you have even been associated with any of these places, have you?  You have no idea what it is like to be a kid at one of these places or a parent?.Hmmmm and I think before you wrote that you should have looked below your name at ahhhmmmm.. # of posts you have.
You seem to have stepped in it,  Analogies I don?t think are your forte.

As far as wasting bandwidth I think  we should look at how this is measured.  If any of us can add to a balanced discussion or view and add value I think it is worth being put out there for others to read.  I know if you were in control, Niles, we would be burning all the books accept the ones you approve.  
If everyone agreed with me I don?t feel I would be adding value, you feel the need to be surrounded by people who agree with you, too bad for you.
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