The Who

[Anonymous]

Whooow... I think I hit a nerve....good stretch.... does the truth hurt a little Bob?

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Another program parent troll, you people are relentless. Im not sure why people take you seriously. Dont you have families to unload your baggage on? Oh thats right..  :rofl:

[RobertBruce]

Whooow... I think I hit a nerve....good stretch.... does the truth hurt a little Bob?

  Oh no no no Cindy, you didn't. In fact all you're doing is reinforcing my claim about you being brainwashed. The tactic that you're employing right now, I've seen on it here countless times before.

Dodge evade and repeat......always repeat.

Gotta stay away from anything that exposes the truth right Cindy? You let me know if you can shake your programming.

[Ganja]

Eventually, Who will surprise us all and come around to another way of thinking.

[AtomicAnt]

Six conditions are simultaneously present in a thought reform program: (margaret singer)

    * obtaining substantial control over an individual's time and thought content, typically by gaining control over major elements of the person's social and physical environment,
    * systematically creating a sense of powerlessness in the person,
    * manipulating a system of rewards, punishment. and experiences in such a way as to promote new learning of an ideology or belief system advocated by management,
    * manipulating a system of rewards, punishments, and experiences in such a way as to inhibit observable behavior that reflects the values and routines of life organization the individual displayed prior to contact with the group,
    * maintaining a closed system of logic and an authoritarian structure in the organization and
    * maintaining a non-informed state existing in the subject.

ASR does all of these things!

A young boy who has been home schooled enters the local public school system.  Around 10:00 he gets up to go to the boys room.  On the way a hall monitor (this is a person who snitches on his peers and got the position because he has been brainwashed to believe all the rules are important) asks him for a hall pass and he doesn?t understand and is quickly escorted to the principal?s office where he is told he must ask permission to leave his class room and that he will have to report to detention (held against his will) after school, where he will be denied access to his family (isolation), miss his bus ride home and was told he cant bring any of his friends with him, nor can he listen to music.  On the way back to class he stops at his locker and grabs his lunch which he starts to eat in class.  The teacher promptly asks him what he is doing.  He explains that in his family they eat at 11:00am and he asked to stand and the teachers asks the class to explain to him what time we eat here at ?Public High?.  We eat as a group at 11:30 and everyone laughs (Public humiliation).  He finds that he cant speak in class, cant talk to his friends, listen to music, cant get out of his desk or leave the building.  The next day he is denied access to school (denied and education) because he is wearing a brown hooded sweat shirt that his grandmother gave him and is told to ask his parents to come in to meet with the principal before he may return.
The next day , in History class, the teacher calls his name and is asked what he is reading.  The boy responds that he is reading a book on history and holds it up.  The teacher laughs and says you cant get away with that crap here, the asks ?But why??,  the teacher responds, ?That?s not the book that has been assigned for you to read?.  I want you to go home and write a 1,000 word essay on why you shouldn?t choose your own books in class,  which will cause him to loose more family time and incur further isolation??

This was just his first 2 days?..who do you think will end up conforming to rules and regulations imposed on him against his will?  His reward will be less public humiliation, working his way up to hall monitor, learning to not ask questions and just follow the rules as they are told to you, snitching on your friends will be rewarding in the teachers eyes?.this is a Public School!!!!

Yes, and the difference between you and the rest of us is that the above true story (at least part of it) was reported in the news because the boy suffered from serious injustice! Most readers saw it that way. If you are referring to the same story I read, it happened here in Charlotte. My friends and coworkders have kids in that school district and were unanimously outraged. This is not behavior we expect from public school officials.

You seem to think it is okay for him to be treated this way. This is very much a program-like approach to teaching kids.

[Anonymous]

I don't think Robert Bruce has a daughter that he enrolled in an abusive program who doesn't speak to him for years on end.....WHO.
That would be YOU!

I don't think you "hit a nerve with Robert about any TRUTH, either."
WHO, you seem to be the one not facing up the the TRUTH.
You really are a pitiful person, "who" just seems to enjoy hearing their own voice just rattle offf pure bullshit....talking in circles.
How does it feel, I MEAN REALLY FEEL, to be brainwashed?

OR, maybe you are just plain stupid.

[TheWho]

Six conditions are simultaneously present in a thought reform program: (margaret singer)

    * obtaining substantial control over an individual's time and thought content, typically by gaining control over major elements of the person's social and physical environment,
    * systematically creating a sense of powerlessness in the person,
    * manipulating a system of rewards, punishment. and experiences in such a way as to promote new learning of an ideology or belief system advocated by management,
    * manipulating a system of rewards, punishments, and experiences in such a way as to inhibit observable behavior that reflects the values and routines of life organization the individual displayed prior to contact with the group,
    * maintaining a closed system of logic and an authoritarian structure in the organization and
    * maintaining a non-informed state existing in the subject.

ASR does all of these things!

A young boy who has been home schooled enters the local public school system.  Around 10:00 he gets up to go to the boys room.  On the way a hall monitor (this is a person who snitches on his peers and got the position because he has been brainwashed to believe all the rules are important) asks him for a hall pass and he doesn?t understand and is quickly escorted to the principal?s office where he is told he must ask permission to leave his class room and that he will have to report to detention (held against his will) after school, where he will be denied access to his family (isolation), miss his bus ride home and was told he cant bring any of his friends with him, nor can he listen to music.  On the way back to class he stops at his locker and grabs his lunch which he starts to eat in class.  The teacher promptly asks him what he is doing.  He explains that in his family they eat at 11:00am and he asked to stand and the teachers asks the class to explain to him what time we eat here at ?Public High?.  We eat as a group at 11:30 and everyone laughs (Public humiliation).  He finds that he cant speak in class, cant talk to his friends, listen to music, cant get out of his desk or leave the building.  The next day he is denied access to school (denied and education) because he is wearing a brown hooded sweat shirt that his grandmother gave him and is told to ask his parents to come in to meet with the principal before he may return.
The next day , in History class, the teacher calls his name and is asked what he is reading.  The boy responds that he is reading a book on history and holds it up.  The teacher laughs and says you cant get away with that crap here, the asks ?But why??,  the teacher responds, ?That?s not the book that has been assigned for you to read?.  I want you to go home and write a 1,000 word essay on why you shouldn?t choose your own books in class,  which will cause him to loose more family time and incur further isolation??

This was just his first 2 days?..who do you think will end up conforming to rules and regulations imposed on him against his will?  His reward will be less public humiliation, working his way up to hall monitor, learning to not ask questions and just follow the rules as they are told to you, snitching on your friends will be rewarding in the teachers eyes?.this is a Public School!!!!

Yes, and the difference between you and the rest of us is that the above true story (at least part of it) was reported in the news because the boy suffered from serious injustice! Most readers saw it that way. If you are referring to the same story I read, it happened here in Charlotte. My friends and coworkders have kids in that school district and were unanimously outraged. This is not behavior we expect from public school officials.

You seem to think it is okay for him to be treated this way. This is very much a program-like approach to teaching kids.[/quote]


Thanks, I am glad others had seen this.  Just trying to point out that some TBS's are no harsher than some public high schools.

[Ganja]

Thanks, I am glad others had seen this.  Just trying to point out that some TBS's are no harsher than some public high schools.

This is true; I think you see that society (especially compulsory schooling) IS the program to some extent.

[Anonymous]

If they fall out of line at public school they are expelled.
If they fall out of line at their new charter school they are sent to private school.
If they fall out of line at private school they are sent to program-lite.
If they fall out of line at program-lite they are sent to wilderness.
If they fall out of line at wilderness they are sent to a program.
If they fall out of line at the program they are sent to a gulag in a third world country.

The truth is, all roads lead to Tranquility Bay.

This would of ended at step two if the parents didn't have the money.

[TheWho]

Thanks, I am glad others had seen this.  Just trying to point out that some TBS's are no harsher than some public high schools.

This is true; I think you see that society (especially compulsory schooling) IS the program to some extent.

Yes, We are all going thru Behavior Mod in our daily lives.  Home, work and school.

[Ganja]

Yes, We are all going thru Behavior Mod in our daily lives.  Home, work and school.

Well, there's more to the picture than meets the eye.

[Anonymous]

And other kids are being tortured, in the name of behaviour mod, wondering why dipshit parents think behavior mod is synonymous with psychological torture. A lot of program parents think its time to show their kid some stress and a taste of the real world, just like they suffer everyday. "I go to work and put up with a boss, its time you show some respect.. etc", this is a form of punishment, and resentment and you people don't even see it. The kids do, shaking their heads in shame and disgust.

[RobertBruce]

Thanks, I am glad others had seen this.  Just trying to point out that some TBS's are no harsher than some public high schools.

No you're trying to villefy public schools to suit your own propoganda, you also like to sugar coat the TBS's. Its okay though, you're like the Manchurian Candidate with the amount of brainwashing you've been put through.

[AtomicAnt]

That makes them both wrong. It does nothing to exonerate the TBS industry.

[Ganja]

That makes them both wrong. It does nothing to exonerate the TBS industry.

Exactly.

[AtomicAnt]

Thanks, I am glad others had seen this.  Just trying to point out that some TBS's are no harsher than some public high schools.

No you're trying to villefy public schools to suit your own propoganda, you also like to sugar coat the TBS's. Its okay though, you're like the Manchurian Candidate with the amount of brainwashing you've been put through.

It should be noted that the boy's story was reported in the news because it is NOT typical of public schools to act like this. The Who would have us believe this the daily norm in public schools.