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« Reply #1185 on: January 28, 2007, 12:37:56 PM »
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But lets not throw mud on all programs because of the few.

Have you ever given thought that your experience might be the minority, and the experiences of fornits in the majority. Notice, there is no forum out there discussing the positive effects of programs. So, I could say to you, lets not make light of all programs because of the few families who have successful experiences. My argument is just as legitimate as yours, and I believe it just as much as you believe yours.


My experience could very well be in the minority and I agree everyone?s argument is a legitimate as mine and we each believe what we are saying.   I also agree we shouldn?t make light of all programs the same as we shouldn?t assume they are all bad
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« Reply #1186 on: January 28, 2007, 12:52:23 PM »
Anne,
A previous post asked me why I can?t see that my argument is as valid as theirs.  I responded that I do recognize other people?s experiences and believe what they went thru.  But it doesn?t apply to everyone.
How can you assume my daughter will come to realize what has been done to her and have more forgiveness for me?
That is like me saying to a kid who had a bad experience, that their feelings are wrong, to not hate your parents or the school, give it five years and you will see how it has benefited you and you will thank everyone eventually.  
My daughter and I have a great relationship, now, I don?t need to forgive her or her me.
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« Reply #1187 on: January 28, 2007, 12:59:15 PM »
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« Reply #1188 on: January 28, 2007, 01:19:59 PM »
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ASR has developed a very nice transition program I have heard.

You have heard what? Please describe this transition program. The norm in this for-profit industry is that when the payments stop, the so-called "treatment" stops. What does ASR do to help former students that are no longer paying customers make the transition back to the real world?
Who really gives a shit about these minor details? You fuckwads debate endlessly about shit like this and fail to see the MAIN POINT. No, idiots, if you have to ask then you will never know. I'd love to strangle 50% of the morons on this forum. It would do me some good.


No I don't fail to see the MAIN POINT. But all this b.s. about "transition" is one of the latest Marketing angles used by programs to make themselves look more "therapeutic." And AFAIK it's total bullshit. The "transition" is simply to release a kid back to his parents, or to the open road if he turns 18 while in-program, and say "good luck to you." It's a helluva thing to do to someone who is shell-shocked by a long period of BM brainwashing, whose skills at coping with the real world are most likely much worse, not better than before the program. It's not a minor detail.
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« Reply #1189 on: January 28, 2007, 01:22:23 PM »
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No I don't fail to see the MAIN POINT. But all this b.s. about "transition" is one of the latest Marketing angles used by programs to make themselves look more "therapeutic."

Sorry; then I suppose you are an exception.
The rest of you buttheads can still fuck off, though.
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« Reply #1190 on: January 28, 2007, 01:28:15 PM »
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No I don't fail to see the MAIN POINT. But all this b.s. about "transition" is one of the latest Marketing angles used by programs to make themselves look more "therapeutic."
Sorry; then I suppose you are an exception.
The rest of you buttheads can still fuck off, though.


Ha!! Ha!! Thats a great response!!
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« Reply #1191 on: January 28, 2007, 01:35:24 PM »
Thank you, sir.
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« Reply #1192 on: January 28, 2007, 03:33:56 PM »
Cindy......I'm sorry but you have got to be the dumbest person alive. Or at the very least the most brainwashed. Let's take a look and there by shoot down your pointless analogy.



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A young boy who has been home schooled enters the local public school system. Around 10:00 he gets up to go to the boys room.

In your example the boy was punished with a detention after school, in a TBS he would have been immediatly restrained and slammed to the ground. His parents would have been called and told their son had attempted to run away, followed up by the boy being sent out into the woods for several weeks. Similar to a public school? Not in the slightest.

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On the way a hall monitor (this is a person who snitches on his peers and got the position because he has been brainwashed to believe all the rules are important)

This is probably a better situation than in the TBS where the hall monitor tells on the boy because if he doesn't he will be punished indefinitly along with the boy. He will also be forced to tell on numerous others for crimes real and imagined and will not be free to go until he has successfully burned a large number of other students. He will of course likely be beaten for this later that same night. His parents will not be told.

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and is quickly escorted to the principal?s office where he is told he must ask permission to leave his class room and that he will have to report to detention (held against his will) after school, where he will be denied access to his family (isolation),

In the TBS he would be sent to restriction, where he would be forced to preform hours upon hours of meaningless back breaking labor, or perform general maintaince around the school. Of course there's always the possibility that he could just be made to do calstenics for hours on end, or until he vomits. Of course while on restriction (which can last indefinity) he is unable to communicate with his family at any time. I'm sure you can see the theraputic value in this. It's a wonder public schools don't do the same thing?


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On the way back to class he stops at his locker and grabs his lunch which he starts to eat in class. The teacher promptly asks him what he is doing. He explains that in his family they eat at 11:00am

In the TBS he can be denied food for several hours for any infraction deemed worth of withholding food. When he is fed it is naturally a restricted diet.

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the teachers asks the class to explain to him what time we eat here at ?Public High?. We eat as a group at 11:30 and everyone laughs (Public humiliation).

At the TBS he would be asked to describe in detail to the entire group the account of a rape or any other assorted traumatic event. Anyone will do.

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He finds that he cant speak in class, cant talk to his friends, listen to music, cant get out of his desk or leave the building.

At the TBS speaking is not only forbidden, steps are taken to ensure he doesn't break that rule. By simply putting a ball gag in his mouth you can make sure the kid never talks out of turn. Of course speaking to friends is also limited, he is placed on 'bans' with everyone. Anyone speaking to him or acknowledging his existence will be punished. He also can't leave the building as there is a barbed wire fence and sentry posts, should he somehow escape he would of course be arrested.

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The next day he is denied access to school (denied and education) because he is wearing a brown hooded sweat shirt that his grandmother gave him and is told to ask his parents to come in to meet with the principal before he may return

At the TBS brown sweat shirts aren't a problem, every kid wears the same thing. Any variation is punished. However when the kid was found singing a Nirvana song in the shower he was put on the afore mentioned restriction for "glorifying drugs and violence".


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The next day , in History class, the teacher calls his name and is asked what he is reading. The boy responds that he is reading a book on history and holds it up. The teacher laughs and says you cant get away with that crap here, the asks ?But why??, the teacher responds, ?That?s not the book that has been assigned for you to read?. I want you to go home and write a 1,000 word essay on why you shouldn?t choose your own books in class, which will cause him to loose more family time and incur further isolation?????


At the TBS the boy was caught reading Jack Kerouack and was sent out into the woods for a month. No contact with family allowed.


See the difference now Cindy?
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« Reply #1193 on: January 28, 2007, 03:46:16 PM »
Ha,Ha,Ha,  Sorry Bob -- The truth hurts doesnt it?
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« Reply #1194 on: January 28, 2007, 03:52:36 PM »
It's clear why your kid ended up in a program, Who. I would have too if I had grown up with a dad like you.  :roll:
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« Reply #1195 on: January 28, 2007, 03:55:40 PM »
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Ha,Ha,Ha,  Sorry Bob -- The truth hurts doesnt it?


Knowing there are parents like you out there, that is what really hurts.
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« Reply #1196 on: January 28, 2007, 03:56:41 PM »
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Ha,Ha,Ha,  Sorry Bob -- The truth hurts doesnt it?



Ummmmmm...you're confused again Cindy, you were the one being confronted with the truth and having your delusions destroyed. I was the one swinging the hammer. Not the other way around. You really need to lay off that weed man, its obvious you just can't handle it.
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« Reply #1197 on: January 28, 2007, 04:04:28 PM »
This man must smoke the dirtiest shit weed known to man. Don't blame the weed for his delusions, good weed will cure ya of that. He must be one of those yuppie wannabe stoners hipsters, hiding their 6" plastic bong in the cupboard for special occasions, with their 2 grams of seeded mexi wrapped in foil, to show to their other hipster friends on the rare occasion someone visits them.  :rofl:
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« Reply #1198 on: January 28, 2007, 04:25:10 PM »
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There is no tactic, relax no one is attacking, just asking.

Sure there is. It's something you picked up in one of your brainwashing seminars, hence why you all do the same thing. Make outlandish claims, offer zero evidence, when someone else speaks the truth demand irrefutable proof and then deny it no matter how obvious. As to attacking....well you aren't capable of such a feat, nor are you asking anything, you simply continue to spew your propoganda and hope it turns out all right.

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As a little advice?. it is always better to take the approach of proving something to be true than trying to prove someone wrong.

Why? As I said it's much more fun proving you to be wrong.

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As a little advice?. it is always better to take the approach of proving something to be true than trying to prove someone wrong.

I don't need to spin the data, I'm right and youre wrong remember?

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I agree that if you were to poll all the people on Fornits you may prove a point, but remember I want you to take into account the source of your data and whether or not the data represents a cross section of everyone?s view.

Fair enough. Why don't you head on over to the discusshla board and make a comment stating that there are aspects of the program you don't approve of. Make sure you have a stop watch on hand because you'll need it to time how quickly they remove the posts. Another option is for you to head over to the stuggling teens thread. See how long it takes you to get banned for posting negative comments concerning TBS's. The truth of the matter is that fornits is the best means of retreiving such data as it bills itself as neither pro nor con towards TBS's. Simply seeking the truth, which is that most of these places are abusive. If you need other evidence look at the fact that there is not one single independent study or survey proving that most people are satisfied with the results of these places. There are however numerous lawsuits, regulation movements in state legs, exposese's, and studies suggesting a negative view of these places.


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For example if I were to poll a group of people with the question ?Do you think the teachings of Judaism has added more value to you life than Muslim teachings??. I would get a totally different response (data set) if I were to poll people in a Sunni neighborhood vs. downtown Jerusalem.

I see what you mean........just like if I asked a program owner or a brainwashed devotee like yourself they'd say that their TBS was the greatest thing since sliced bread and without their program every kid ever there would be deadorinjail, and how many many kids who suffered through the programs would say that they'd have been much better off had they never gone.

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I guess you haven?t been paying attention. I believe that each school is different and should be measured on its own merits. I don?t take the position that all programs/TBS are the same.


Now you're just getting upset. Calm down or were going to put you on bans with yourself. You repeatedly beg for us to acknowledge that some kids benefit from these places. Fine. Now it's your turn. Acknowledge that some kids, many in fact are abused and hurt by these places. As to your current huffing and puffing, you claim not all TBS's are the same and you apparently think ASR is a great place. Fine we get it, maybe it would be best however if you accepted that many kids and parents who went there do not agree with you. On top of that you accepting that you know nothingabout these other programs would be a positive step.

Get back to me on that Cindy.
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« Reply #1199 on: January 28, 2007, 04:31:58 PM »
Whooow... I think I hit a nerve....good stretch.... does the truth hurt a little Bob?
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