Thank you, no I cannot provide a link. I am not going back thru 6 months of posts and try to prove to you what I felt your frame of mind was at the time. There is no empirical data to mine. Sorry you are hurt by it but it was my opinion
Oh it didn't hurt me, I simply brought it up to prove a point. You routinely make comments you cannot back up. This would seem to be a prime example of such. Your opinion may be that I feel the best way to handle teen issues is to ignore them but you have nothing to back up this claim and thus are incorrect. In laymans terms you've been proven to be wrong. I'm curious to see whether or not you will acknowledge this.
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Out and out lying? That I'm not sure of, you have however said it in a roundabout way, you've discounted peoples experiences.
No I don?t believe I ever had.
Sure you did, I even provided you an example.
But I have seen first hand as have many that these school are effective, very effective. There haven?t been any studies or evidence that support that any children have been hurt by ASR, in fact the evidence supports overwhelmingly the opposite.Posted: 26 Jun 2006 02:31
By claiming that there is no evidence that any children have ever been hurt by ASR you are effectivly discounting the experiences of any student who claims otherwise. Picture it this way, Anne has mentioned many times that she was once raped. If you were to state that her attacker was a humanitarian who had never harmed a soul you have effectively discounted the fact that he did hurt her, even without flat out calling her a liar.
No I didn?t, I said ?These schools are effective?. TBS?s ?are? effective. School teachers make good role models, Refrigerators keep items cold? etc. These statements are true although some teachers rape their students, some refrigerators don?t work properly, they are still accepted as true statements..
I think it has been said here many times that there lacks a good third party study of these programs. I have seen overwhelming evidence that kids come out safe from these places. For one example, the suicide rate, as we found, was lower in TBS?s than in the public sector.
The schools are effective based on what? Based on your experience? I'm sorry but that is not enough to claim that all TBS's are effective across the board. Not even close. This is where we run into the issue again of you believing that your opinion is sufficent. I can surmize that some refridgerators keep things cold because I know my own does and I know that I've been in other homes where I found the same to be true. I also know that some teachers are good roll models while others should have never been allowed in the class room, this based on my own experience. You do not
know TBS's to be effective. For one there has never been any study done proving or even suggesting as much, two you only experienced one TBS. You could state that a single TBS proved effective for
you, nothing else. You are not entitled to discuss anything else because you haven't experienced anything else.
For one example, the suicide rate, as we found, was lower in TBS?s than in the public sector.
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2004/crime03/1.asp
While I'm impressed that you finally tried to back up your claim you apparently did so without actually looking at what this source had to say. This in no way discusses or compares suicide rates between public schools and TBS's. So in reality you havent backed up your claim at all simply because you still seem to believe there was only a single suicide in all TBS's within a 30 year period. As I proved to the other day this is not the case. The best way to prove your point would be for you to look at suicide rates across the board in TBS's compared to suicide rates across the board in public schools. Then look at the percentage with how many kids are in public schools (I believe a little over 50 million) versus how many kids are in TBS's (I think I've seen the number 30,000 tossed out there) then you can see what the percentage of kids is that committ suicide in TBS's versus the percentage of kids that committ suicide in public schools. I believe you'll find that percentage to be much higher in TBS's.
Why should they embrace regulations and oversight? Why would anyone, it?s a ton of paperwork, costs money. Very few of us would have driver?s licenses unless we were forced to. We all see ourselves as good drivers I believe. The same with DSS, I don?t think every family would want DSS coming to visit once a month to check up on them. It?s a pain in the ass, y0u need to be home that day rearrange your schedule. Its not that they feel they are bad parents but if many had the choice they would say no thank you.
You're more of a program devotee than I thought. I would agree with you that going to the DMV is a pain in the ass, however I recognize that forcing people to have drivers licenses makes the roads safer. All you've done here is contridict yourself see:
I think most of these school are run with the best intentions in mind and are willing to change policies if they are found to be abusive.
If these schools were really putting the best interest of the kids first and trying to create a safe enviroment than they would have no problem putting up with a little extra paper work. You've just proven that they are only interested in one thing: the bottom line and keeping kids quiet. Thank you Who.
