Who I again appreciate you at least making an effort. I will accept your revision concerning the majority of posters comment, however I would still ask what your basis is for stating that you think I would have said the car didn't need fixing. Where does that idea come from? Is it so hard to admit when one is wrong?
It was based on our last conversation before I left for Asia, you didn?t seem up for any open discussion.
As to your current discussion with Deborah regarding whether or not we as survivors should respect the opinion of program apologist consider this; If this were a website for Holocaust survivors to join together and make sure that the truth was told regarding their incarceration do you think they would be open to having someone who denied the holocaust ever occured come on there tell them they are lying about their experiences?
I have not said anyone was lying about their experience at a program.
No of course not, they wouldn't care about having a balanced perspective either.
I think they would accept a balanced argument, if for any other reason to try and educate that person.
It's the same thing here, we post on here to ensure the truth is told about these places, not what the programs put forth in their advertisements but the truth. If you had come on here and stated something to the effect of "I cannot speak about your experiences but I believe my daughter benefited from her stay at ASR." Then I don't think you would have gotten alot of flack for it. As it was however you came on here and began spreading lies and misinformation claimed we were lying about the circumstances of these places and still refuse to accept respondsibility for your own comments.
I have never refuted anyones? story of their time spent inside a program. I may not have believed some of the documentation that was presented, some lists that have been shown to me, or agreed that any of us know what the owners of these places are thinking or what motivates them. I just don?t believe that these people wake up in the morning and say lets build a school, load it with kids who have a problem and then abuse them. It sounds like fun. No I don?t agree with that mentality, I think
most of these school are run with the best intentions in mind and are willing to change policies if they are found to be abusive.
Whatsmore you may want to realize that while we were in these places we were forbidden to ever speak out against the program or to try and tell our parents the truth about what was happening. You may also want to look at that link Deborah provided for the hlaboards. Neither anonimity nor opposing view points are allowed, here we have openly encouraged staff members to come on the site and discuss the issues raised.
That is why I like fornits. I feel I have the freedom to speak against places that I feel abuse kids (Straight) and speak for places that I feel do not (ASR).
I'm also curious as to how impressed parents might be with your differing view point if you consistently dodge questions?
I don?t feel I dodge any questions. If I say ?I feel the majority of fornits posters seem to be biased towards not liking programs.? Someone may call me on it and say ?Prove it?!! This is almost an impossible task to gather names and present a statistical model to cover those who have left or do not respond to my survey and then get buy-in from everyone to accept the model which in turn would affect the credibility of the results. I would just say ?No, this is my opinion?. If the person still asked for proof, this would not be dodging the question?. My answer was ?No?. If you hold one person to a standard then everyone needs to be.
If someone says ? theWho no one here wants to hear your views anymore? ?fornits posters don?t believe what you say? are you going to jump in and demand these people come up with a statistical study to prove the scales tip in their favor?
