Carmel, Karen didnt post what you are replying to, she posted the following silly reaction.
I posted it. And I would like to make it clear that I am not here to argue with people like you who do have valid points.
I do however think that you are an exception and not the rule. Many many kids who are placed in TCs display behavior that warrants some sort of extreme action.
The choices are few, as I indicated.
Unfortunately I dont think theres anything "we" can do to eliminate the parents who decide thier child needs to be somewhere other than home to deal with some very manageable child issues.
There ARE victims of TCs out there and in here.
I qualified for a TC by MY OWN standards. I was a hellion. But even though my "treatment" consisted of things that I wouldnt consider doing to any kid (but still might allow someone else to if the kid was a fucking hellion as I) I still dont consider myself a victim. I think I got what I had coming, which was likely mild by comparison to a juvie hall or adult prison or boot camp.
TCs today are coming around. Elan for example no longer employs the methods you read here.
You have to seperate what is considered "abuse" from what the "kids" simply dont fucking like to be subjected to (IE accountability for thier actions, limited freedom/isolation, steady productive activity)
None of those things are crimes. And are often quite mild compared to neglect and abuse at home.
I dont think its far fetched to say that the most vocal people here who were sent to a TC never qualified as a "bad kid"
But I think its a bit dilusional to think youre not out-numbered by kids who do fit that title.
TCs are not going away. Bad kids are not going away.
Im not here to say fornits needs to go away. It would be nice if Fornits and its members would address a problem with a viable solution.
I happen to think its going to require compromise.
We need to lobby. We need to be heard as a reasonable, CREDIBLE voice.
We need to act in a manner that has possitive effects for the KIDS at risk.
Shutting down a TC and ridiculing parents isnt going to do a damn thing to keep a troubled (or normal kid) from being sent to another program.
Public schools foot the bill for many kids who are refered to TCs.
Where do public schools get thier money?
Taxpayers!
If someone in here thinks Joe Homeowner/Taxpayer is going to come in here, and walk away with a plan to confront his local legislators, youve got your heads in your asses.
Many program tuitions are paid with medical insurance. Think you dont help fund that with the premiums you pay?
Think again.
Sitting in here bitching back and forth among ourselves and the filthy trolls is a perfect waste of time.
Its time the wheels were put in motion to take an active approach to the TC issue, the troubled parent issue, and the institutions that help pay for these places.
I do think the state of Fornits is a joke. A pathetic joke, plain and simple. I dont think its going to ever become a valid, effective, credible voice in the effort to right wrongs our kids face.
Thus I have to question the purpose, and the Mo of the site creator/enabler.
I dont get it. Do you?
