Scary Larry back on campus!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Was sex consensual? If a 30 year old sells crack to a 17 year old, and the minor does it, is the minor not guilty and punishable by law? Is it different for sex?

A 17yo using crack...  Did the kid ever use crack before?  Is the kid a habitual crack user?  Did the kid even want to buy the crack, or was the kid talked into it?  Did the kid even know exactly what crack is?  

A lot of considerations do factor in, from a moral standpoint, I guess.  From a legal standpoint it is much simply, usually.  There are different standards for juveniles than for "adults" for good reason.

Is it different for sex?  I would say so, personally.  You're talking about elements of a person's body that are intrinsically linked to their identity and concept of self-worth.  Shattering that generally has more long term repercussions than a few instances of illegal drug experimentation in one's youth does.

Then SF is waived of all responsibility. As Joe said, she is simply a maggot unable to transcend animal instincts.

She was the best looking maggot I ever saw in Bath Me.  God Damn Bob Thurrell.  He chased her away.  He should burn in hell simply for that.

[Anonymous]

Was sex consensual?  How do you define "consensual?"

Did the kid ever have sex before?  no
Did the kid habitually engage in sex?  no
Did the kid even want to have sex?  no
...or was the kid talked into it?  possibly
Did the kid even know exactly what having sex entails? probably not.  I don't think she had even seen a penis in person before.

A lot of considerations do factor in, from a moral standpoint, I guess. From a legal standpoint it is much simpler, usually. There are different standards for juveniles than for "adults" for good reason.

We are caught in the horns of a dilemma. We must agree either Ed, or with Joe. Either SF is responsible for her actions (and compromised the school's integrity; Ed's position), or SF is not responsible for her actions (and it is a growth issue for Hyde to handle; Joe's position).

[Anonymous]

17 smokes crack: illegal ever where in the US
17 year old has consensual sex: illegal in some jurisdictions in the US legal in others legal in Me
30 YO has consensual sex with 17 YO: illegal in Me for the 30 YO, legal in Iowa, legal in France

Deffine consensual sex.  R U saying its ok to rape a student?!!!!

rape in not ok

consensual: you say "may I"  the  other party says "yes you may."

The word on the street was SF was hot and wanted it.

[Anonymous]

I recollect Legg refering to a "relationship" in sch mtg. Was this a figure of speech or not?

[Ursus]

SF may or may not have been hot, but I sincerely doubt that she "wanted it."  Maybe I'm a total prude, but I would imagine that the sheer physical aspects which such an interaction would have entailed would have been overwhelming for someone with no prior "first time," not to mention the fact that he was married.

From what I've learned, SF was also asleep at the time, in an otherwise empty dorm as per arrangement on the part of Bob Thurrell.  

Apparently there was an issue of some schoolwork that still needed finishing at the end of the school year.  Thurrell made arrangements for her accommodation in the dorm adjacent to his apt.

[Jesus H Christ]

SF may or may not have been hot, but I sincerely doubt that she "wanted it."  Maybe I'm a total prude, but I would imagine that the sheer physical aspects which such an interaction would have entailed would have been overwhelming for someone with no prior "first time," not to mention the fact that he was married.

From what I've learned, SF was also asleep at the time, in an otherwise empty dorm as per arrangement on the part of Bob Thurrell.  

Apparently there was an issue of some schoolwork that still needed finishing at the end of the school year.  Thurrell made arrangements for her accommodation in the dorm adjacent to his apt.

 Another fine example of charater education.

[Jesus H Christ]

Wha, yeah!, cmon, yeah, yeah, cmon, yeah
Yeah, cmon, oh, yeah, ma
Yeah, Im a back door man, Im a back door man
The men dont know, but the little girl understand
Hey, all you people that tryin to sleep
Im out to make it with my midnight dream, yeah
cause Im a back door man, the men dont know
But the little girls understand, all right, yeah
You men eat your dinner, eat your pork and beans
I eat more chicken, than any man ever seen, yeah, yeah
Im a back door man, wha, the men dont know
But the little girl understand
Well, Im a back door man
Im a back door man
Whoa, baby, Im a back door man
The men dont know
But the little girls understand

[Anonymous]

SF may or may not have been hot, but I sincerely doubt that she "wanted it."  Maybe I'm a total prude, but I would imagine that the sheer physical aspects which such an interaction would have entailed would have been overwhelming for someone with no prior "first time," not to mention the fact that he was married.

From what I've learned, SF was also asleep at the time, in an otherwise empty dorm as per arrangement on the part of Bob Thurrell.  

Apparently there was an issue of some schoolwork that still needed finishing at the end of the school year.  Thurrell made arrangements for her accommodation in the dorm adjacent to his apt.

I am amazed at the similarities.  I wonder if Thurrell and Dubinsky are related.  I remember a classmate telling me that one time she woke up in her dorm to find Dubinsky standing there staring at her.  She told her Mom but her Mom was afraid to make waves.  Amazing the control Hyde has over parents and students.  The more I read and the more I think back, the more I realize that it was all about control and fear at Hyde.

[Anonymous]

let recap the story so far:

  There was no "relationship" between Bob and Sabina.  Bob cooked up a scheme to keep her past the date of school dismissal.  Bob arranged to have her in a room near his faculty apt.  Bob crept into the dorm room while Sabina was asleep.  Bob forced her to have sex.

Sound good?

[Anonymous]

let recap the story so far:

There was no "relationship" between Bob and Sabina.  Bob cooked up a scheme to keep her past the date of school dismissal.  Bob arranged to have her in a room near his faculty apt.  Bob crept into the dorm room while Sabina was asleep.  Bob forced her to have sex.

Sound good?

Sounds very bad. But why "so far"? That makes it sound like this is the data you've gleaned from Fornits. Is that so?

[Ursus]

let recap the story so far:

  There was no "relationship" between Bob and Sabina.  Bob cooked up a scheme to keep her past the date of school dismissal.  Bob arranged to have her in a room near his faculty apt.  Bob crept into the dorm room while Sabina was asleep.  Bob forced her to have sex.

Sound good?

I have a hard time picturing Bob Thurrell forcibly throttling an asleep SF in order to get his rocks off.  I have an easier time seeing him as a gutless opportunist, which I do think he is, orchestrating the circumstances and then manipulating SF by whatever means given her asleep state.  Probably the truth is somewhere in between.  Unless we hear from SF, however, we may never know for sure.

Otherwise, I concur with your assessment.

I think it is safe to say, however, that whatever story he told Hyde School was spoken from the perspective of covering his ass -- vis a vis the school, possibly the legal system, and definitely his wife -- and may have had perilously little to do with what was the truth.  Yet this is the version the school chose to believe and take action on.

[Anonymous]

We are caught in the horns of a dilemma. We must agree either Ed, or with Joe. Either SF is responsible for her actions (and compromised the school's integrity; Ed's position), or SF is not responsible for her actions (and it is a growth issue for Hyde to handle; Joe's position).

It seems that Joe and Ed cannot agree, because a teen who has consensual sex with an adult is either responsible for her actions or not. But Ed and Joe are making the same assumption that the rape took place in a vacuum. The child was prevented from speaking to police, counselors, or anyone outside Hyde. She was subjected to the censure of the community, led by Ed and Joe who were of different minds. In a community meeting Ed bitterly intoned that the girl was responsible for her rape and had "compromised the integrity of the school," as if underage party and adult party to consensual sex are equally to blame. On the other end of insanity, Joe held that she was not responsible for her rape, not because she was innocent of any wrongdoing, but because as a flawed product of a flawed culture she didn't know the meaning of responsibility, and Hyde had to teach it to her as one teaches obedience to a dog. The students rallied behind their favorite authority: Ed or Joe. No leniency and understanding were shown to the girl. That's how Hyde handles rape. It's a wonder if she did not lose her sanity along with her virginity.

[Anonymous]

Joe:  blames the system
Ed:   blames the victim
Bob: blame free

[Anonymous]

Joe:  blames the system
Ed:   blames the victim
Bob: blame free

In a nutshell.

[Jesus H Christ]

Joe:  blames the system
Ed:   blames the victim
Bob: blame free

In a nutshell.

Joe: Hyde as the solution
Ed:  Hyde as victim

Me: Hyde as unindited  co conspirator
       

  It is great how false dichotomizing an issue can divert you from the obvious:   Hyde negligent in it's duty provide a safe environment for it's charges. Hyde, the great picker of character, had a drunken letch on the fast tract to leadership.  Hyde's failure to discern the nature of a staff member lead to one of it's charges to be put into a situation where, instead of an educational experience that lead to emotional and spiritual grow, a life long emotional scar was left.

"lies that life is black and white spoke from my skull I dreamed"