Scary Larry back on campus!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

teaches at a Waldorf School now.

A5    Woodworking · Robert Thurrell · Starting with a piece of butternut we will have fashioned a spoon by the end of this workshop through sawing, rasping, carving, sanding and applying finish. (Participants will need closed toed shoes)

http://www.waldorfeducation.org/conf2004.html

From high schoolers to middle schoolers. Must've gotten a nice character reference from Hyde.

  To be fair, the incident in question was thirty plus years ago.  He was a good teacher and coach abet with a character flaw.  I am not excusing what he did nor saying that Hyde feet should not be held to the fire over the issue of this kind of thing happening repeatedly throughout hydes 40 year history.  I am just saying you could lighten up a little on him if you are trying to tie his name to Hyde's systemic sexual problems.  How his name got mentioned in this thread to start with was in reference to the culturally pervasive preoccupation with sex and the male chauvinistic way in which the victims of male sexual misbehavior have been marginalized.   I don't think that was his fault.  It certainly is not his fault that, apparently, the same conditions exist 30 year after he left.  So if you are trying to make his name google, I for one would rather you did not.  I think the man has already paid.

Emil

[Anonymous]

Maybe Larry should sue Hyde for providing him with an immoral education. Didn't he overlap with Bob Thurrell? Maybe the latter provided him with pointers in the art of... Although, apparently, not in how to get away with it, at least as far as public sentiment is concerned (I don't consider Hyde in sync with public sentiment). ...Too bad the internet wasn't around in the mid-70's.

What's Mr. Thurell have to do wit Larry Dubinsky?

Robert Thurrell was accused of raping one Hyde student and sexually harrassing several others until his dismissal in 1976. He was to have become assistant headmaster the following year. The parents of the alleged rape victim sued the school, and the case was settled out of court. Thurrell found a teaching job at a nearby middle school. It can be assumed that Joseph Gauld and Edward Legg, Thurrell's only superiors, provided him with the necessary character references.

[Ursus]

Sorry, Emil, gotta disagree with you on this one.  He was a mentor to me too during those days... one of the few teachers there who appreciated academic striving, and thus mentor to a small handful of us on that count alone.

But he raped someone, and he got away with it.  There are two major guilty parties here, him and the school.  He did the deed, he lied about it, the school did not address the situation appropriately, and lots of people got hurt.  I say lots, because had the school addressed the situation appropriately, perhaps there would not have been the Larry Dubinsky case, not to mention everything else that has happened inbetween...

And I doubt very very much that he's paid his dues.  He should not be in any kind of situation where he has exposure to kids.  I am just so disgusted with this whole issue right now...

He works at the Waldorf School because his wife has been with them for 15 years or so.  She went back to school and got an additional degree, and I strongly suspect that she is the more credentialed one in that situation.  It wouldn't be the first time that Waldorf has done insufficient background checks on their teachers and administrators, although, thanks to Hyde School, it is unlikely they would have had any way of knowing in this case.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, Emil, gotta disagree with you on this one.  He was a mentor to me too during those days... one of the few teachers there who appreciated academic striving, and thus mentor to a small handful of us on that count alone.

But he raped someone, and he got away with it.  There are two major guilty parties here, him and the school.  He did the deed, he lied about it, the school did not address the situation appropriately, and lots of people got hurt.  I say lots, because had the school addressed the situation appropriately, perhaps there would not have been the Larry Dubinsky case, not to mention everything else that has happened inbetween...

And I doubt very very much that he's paid his dues.  He should not be in any kind of situation where he has exposure to kids.  I am just so disgusted with this whole issue right now...

He works at the Waldorf School because his wife has been with them for 15 years or so.  She went back to school and got an additional degree, and I strongly suspect that she is the more credentialed one in that situation.  It wouldn't be the first time that Waldorf has done insufficient background checks on their teachers and administrators, although, thanks to Hyde School, it is unlikely they would have had any way of knowing in this case.

I take it you just disagree with my assertion that bob should not be tarred after 30  years.   You do not disagree there that there is a cultural sexual problem at Hyde.

Emil

[Ursus]

I take it you just disagree with my assertion that bob should not be tarred after 30 years. You do not disagree there that there is a cultural sexual problem at Hyde.

 ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::
Okay, you did get me to laugh...  

So to clarify, given that I was perhaps too "subtle" earlier:  Yes, I disagree with your original assertion that Bob should not be tarred... But I totally agree that there is a cultural sexual problem at Hyde.

[Anonymous]

I take it you just disagree with my assertion that bob should not be tarred after 30 years. You do not disagree there that there is a cultural sexual problem at Hyde.

 ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::
Okay, you did get me to laugh...  

So to clarify, given that I was perhaps too "subtle" earlier:  Yes, I disagree with your original assertion that Bob should not be tarred... But I totally agree that there is a cultural sexual problem at Hyde.

Wow, the discovery never seems to end re Hyde's ignoring sexual indiscretions on the staff's part.  I think all of the perps should be tarred and feathered ASAP.  NO ONE should get away with taking advantage of young innocent girls.  This is disgusting that Hyde School sweeps this type of crime under the carpet! They did it 30 years ago and they obviously are still doing it!

[Anonymous]

What impresses me the most in Hyde's reaction to the Dubinsky affair is the total absence of shame. But the feeling of shame has evolved to enhance survival. How can it be that now it is the lack of shame that enhances (institutional) survival? Shouldn't the lack of shame in an institution --- in and of itself --- disqualify it from a leadership position?

[Ursus]

What impresses me the most in Hyde's reaction to the Dubinsky affair is the total absence of shame. But the feeling of shame has evolved to enhance survival. How can it be that now it is the lack of shame that enhances (institutional) survival? Shouldn't the lack of shame in an institution --- in and of itself --- disqualify it from a leadership position?

Ah, yes, institutional S H A M E... Noteworthy for its absence in the Thurrell affair as well...  But they sure know how to transfer that to the students and their parents, eh?  What happens to a kid that gets a load of that bull dumped into his lap?  Will he/she be able to recognize it for what it is?  Will he/she go through life thinking it's okay to treat others that way?  Or will he/she go through life thinking that it's okay for others to treat him/her that way, because there is something wrong with him/her?  

I think the latter case scenario is a real danger in instances where a kid has been excessively singled out, hardly rare at Hyde.

[Anonymous]

Maybe Larry should sue Hyde for providing him with an immoral education. Didn't he overlap with Bob Thurrell? Maybe the latter provided him with pointers in the art of... Although, apparently, not in how to get away with it, at least as far as public sentiment is concerned (I don't consider Hyde in sync with public sentiment). ...Too bad the internet wasn't around in the mid-70's.

What's Mr. Thurell have to do wit Larry Dubinsky?

Robert Thurrell was accused of raping one Hyde student and sexually harrassing several others until his dismissal in 1976. He was to have become assistant headmaster the following year. The parents of the alleged rape victim sued the school, and the case was settled out of court. Thurrell found a teaching job at a nearby middle school. It can be assumed that Joseph Gauld and Edward Legg, Thurrell's only superiors, provided him with the necessary character references.

I think your wrong about the parents.This was some time after.

[Anonymous]

Maybe Larry should sue Hyde for providing him with an immoral education. Didn't he overlap with Bob Thurrell? Maybe the latter provided him with pointers in the art of... Although, apparently, not in how to get away with it, at least as far as public sentiment is concerned (I don't consider Hyde in sync with public sentiment). ...Too bad the internet wasn't around in the mid-70's.

What's Mr. Thurell have to do wit Larry Dubinsky?

Robert Thurrell was accused of raping one Hyde student and sexually harrassing several others until his dismissal in 1976. He was to have become assistant headmaster the following year. The parents of the alleged rape victim sued the school, and the case was settled out of court. Thurrell found a teaching job at a nearby middle school. It can be assumed that Joseph Gauld and Edward Legg, Thurrell's only superiors, provided him with the necessary character references.

I think your wrong about the parents.This was some time after.

Was the dismissal a result of the girl's testimony and not part of a settlement or pending lawsuit? Surprise me.

[Anonymous]

he was never dismissed. He left (75)... to do some thinking, as they put it

[Anonymous]

he was never dismissed. He left (75)... to do some thinking, as they put it

Funny thing for the next assistant headmaster to opt for unemployment checks. Is it possible that "some thinking" is a euphemism for "some ass covering"?

[Anonymous]

you got it

[Jesus H Christ]

you got it

  In a way these guys are just victims of the system.

[Ursus]

In a way these guys are just victims of the system.

OUCH.  Yes, all too true, I absolutely agree that they are.  But...  that's also a little like saying the guys just couldn't help it.  It's one thing to participate in some abusive "seminaring," and I don't want to belittle that by any means.  But the mere physicality of wriggling your dick on someone else's body, let alone in it, crosses from the gray into the absolutely black area of culpability, as far as I'm concerned.

A line needs to be drawn somewhere.

There are actually some very clear lines drawn by the legal system in this country.