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« Reply #165 on: January 26, 2007, 02:58:54 PM »
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« Reply #166 on: February 01, 2007, 05:21:46 PM »
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I find it disturbing, not that people like him, because he probably is a likable guy ( if you were a guy and not a teenage girl), not that when it was brought to light that Hyde defended itself because that is just common sense, not that the community wants to help him because to not help some one they have made co dependant would be immoral.  The thing that is disturbing is that Hyde has not figured out a way to do this at arms length, as the lawyers say.  It is either stupid or arrogant, perhaps both.

But weighted toward stupidity. Joe Gauld et al. seek to replace intellectual education by moral education. The whole point of the scathing denunciation of them here is that they are not true to the religion they profess and their own better knowledge.

The best part of this fellow posters is that LD still comes on campus and still harasses the girls.  Because I am not there I do not have all the details, but was told this year there were more complaints about him and once again Hyde was warned, but nothing done.  It is disturbing that Hyde cares so little about the female students and what this might do to them psychologically.  Could it be that they are a bunch of male chauvenist pigs who don't take things like this seriously?

 You are right. This school is suppose to teach about morale and character and here they are not giving a damn about those things. I remember the headmaster would not listen to a bunch of us when we confronted him about the way they handled the whole LD thing. It was at that moment that I realized I had to simply keep my mouth shut and get through that year as best I could and then distance myself from that school forever.

Gary, you have more courage than anyone I know.  Ironically you are a great example of a Hyde graduate.  Someone who speaks up and speaks out and is not afraid to confront. Everything they probably hate about you now is what they have been teaching for years, ha!!!!!

One minute! It's true that I'm a Hyde graduate, but my name is not Gary; it's Mike. I'll thank you just the same though.[/quote]

Can anyone explain to me why all these Hyde cult members are still dealing w/ the same problems they did when they were students?Doesn't that tell us something? Aren't people supposed to deal w/ their issues and move on?? I strongly believe that Hyde thrives on people's emotional pain. Also, I never understood what good it does to tell your deepest secrets to a bunch of strangers that are completely screwed up themselves, and having it be facilitated by Hyde staff that have NO training in any form of psychology, except by other Hyde cult members. Btw it is really sick how they are all married to eachother. The saying "keeping it in the family" strongly applies to these people.
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« Reply #167 on: February 01, 2007, 07:58:51 PM »
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Can anyone explain to me why all these Hyde cult members are still dealing w/ the same problems they did when they were students?Doesn't that tell us something? Aren't people supposed to deal w/ their issues and move on?? I strongly believe that Hyde thrives on people's emotional pain. Also, I never understood what good it does to tell your deepest secrets to a bunch of strangers that are completely screwed up themselves, and having it be facilitated by Hyde staff that have NO training in any form of psychology, except by other Hyde cult members. Btw it is really sick how they are all married to eachother. The saying "keeping it in the family" strongly applies to these people.


My friend, when you have been brainwashed as long and with such consequences as we have, it is not as simple a matter as merely recognizing that in order to move on.  There is rage over that lost, there is decompression, there is coordinating the past with the present, and there is a certain amount of healing that needs to happen.  

As far as telling deep secrets to screwed up strangers, that is one hell of a question.  Honest to God, I'm not sure I can give you a good answer.  I guess we didn't realize how screwed up they were,  they passed themselves off as experts, and they sure crammed it down our throats just how messed up WE were.  And our parents went along with that, and participated in the same spiel.  I don't think anyone even thought to question the academic background (or lack thereof) of any of the faculty, at least to my awareness at the time.  If someone did, it certainly wasn't common knowledge.  I can't imagine anyone not questioning that nowadays, but apparently people still don't.  Maybe they are just so grateful that someone is "helping" their kid that they don't want to know...
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« Reply #168 on: February 08, 2007, 10:39:43 AM »
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Can anyone explain to me why all these Hyde cult members are still dealing w/ the same problems they did when they were students?Doesn't that tell us something? Aren't people supposed to deal w/ their issues and move on?? I strongly believe that Hyde thrives on people's emotional pain. Also, I never understood what good it does to tell your deepest secrets to a bunch of strangers that are completely screwed up themselves, and having it be facilitated by Hyde staff that have NO training in any form of psychology, except by other Hyde cult members. Btw it is really sick how they are all married to eachother. The saying "keeping it in the family" strongly applies to these people.

My friend, when you have been brainwashed as long and with such consequences as we have, it is not as simple a matter as merely recognizing that in order to move on.  There is rage over that lost, there is decompression, there is coordinating the past with the present, and there is a certain amount of healing that needs to happen.  

As far as telling deep secrets to screwed up strangers, that is one hell of a question.  Honest to God, I'm not sure I can give you a good answer.  I guess we didn't realize how screwed up they were,  they passed themselves off as experts, and they sure crammed it down our throats just how messed up WE were.  And our parents went along with that, and participated in the same spiel.  I don't think anyone even thought to question the academic background (or lack thereof) of any of the faculty, at least to my awareness at the time.  If someone did, it certainly wasn't common knowledge.  I can't imagine anyone not questioning that nowadays, but apparently people still don't.  Maybe they are just so grateful that someone is "helping" their kid that they don't want to know...


Thanks for the reasonable answer.  You obviously have turned out well IN SPITE of Hyde.
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« Reply #169 on: April 18, 2007, 02:55:50 AM »
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Can anyone explain to me why all these Hyde cult members are still dealing w/ the same problems they did when they were students?Doesn't that tell us something? Aren't people supposed to deal w/ their issues and move on?? I strongly believe that Hyde thrives on people's emotional pain. Also, I never understood what good it does to tell your deepest secrets to a bunch of strangers that are completely screwed up themselves, and having it be facilitated by Hyde staff that have NO training in any form of psychology, except by other Hyde cult members. Btw it is really sick how they are all married to eachother. The saying "keeping it in the family" strongly applies to these people.

My friend, when you have been brainwashed as long and with such consequences as we have, it is not as simple a matter as merely recognizing that in order to move on.  There is rage over that lost, there is decompression, there is coordinating the past with the present, and there is a certain amount of healing that needs to happen.  

As far as telling deep secrets to screwed up strangers, that is one hell of a question.  Honest to God, I'm not sure I can give you a good answer.  I guess we didn't realize how screwed up they were,  they passed themselves off as experts, and they sure crammed it down our throats just how messed up WE were.  And our parents went along with that, and participated in the same spiel.  I don't think anyone even thought to question the academic background (or lack thereof) of any of the faculty, at least to my awareness at the time.  If someone did, it certainly wasn't common knowledge.  I can't imagine anyone not questioning that nowadays, but apparently people still don't.  Maybe they are just so grateful that someone is "helping" their kid that they don't want to know...

Thanks for the reasonable answer.  You obviously have turned out well IN SPITE of Hyde.


Ursus and friends,

Let's turn the spotlight back on to Hyde, where it belongs. Several people have asked what Larry Dubinsky was like as a student. What I recall most is how he fawned around the popular kids like a cocker spaniel.

Ursus, you've stated that you went to Hyde with MC, PS, GW, NC, RS, and the P brothers, which puts you squarely in the LSD timeframe, yet you've been uncharacteristically mute on this subject. What were your thoughts when you learned of his pedophilia?

Mike
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« Reply #170 on: April 18, 2007, 04:25:02 AM »
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Ursus and friends,

Let's turn the spotlight back on to Hyde, where it belongs. Several people have asked what Larry Dubinsky was like as a student. What I recall most is how he fawned around the popular kids like a cocker spaniel.

Ursus, you've stated that you went to Hyde with MC, PS, GW, NC, RS, and the P brothers, which puts you squarely in the LSD timeframe, yet you've been uncharacteristically mute on this subject. What were your thoughts when you learned of his pedophilia?

Mike


Hi Mike,

I honestly don't remember Larry very well.  I have a vague recollection of him falling into the category of sycophant, but then a lot of kids fell into that category, not necessarily for nefarious reasons.  It was most certainly a survival mechanism for some, and then, of course, you had the kids who were earnestly trying to "get it" because they were good sorts, albeit a little dense (although not all such were sycophants in said pursuit).

 ::seg::  Didn't realize I was mute on this subject, perhaps you've missed some of my usual piss and vinegar...

Quite frankly, at this point, I think Hyde nurtures and hence selects for such pedophilic deviants.  There have been just too many cases over the years, and these are just the ones we know about.  And each time, we hear of some less than even perfunctory slap on the wrist as a consequence, if one at all.  Most schools would have taken strong action against these perpetrators, perhaps even resorting to legal means.  Yet Hyde extends welcoming hands towards them, attempting to keep these individuals in the community.  The victims, the kids, whose education and well being are ostensibly the basis for Hyde's existence in the first place, are the ones who are ostracized, humiliated, and effectively excised for their troubles.  One has to wonder as to the veracity of the official word Hyde tells us of these situations, as it does not appear to comport with their behavior.

Looking at your line-up of initials, I can figure everyone out save PS and RS.  Perhaps my brain just isn't working at the moment... refresh my memory, who are you referring to?
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« Reply #171 on: April 18, 2007, 07:29:12 AM »
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Ursus and friends,

Let's turn the spotlight back on to Hyde, where it belongs. Several people have asked what Larry Dubinsky was like as a student. What I recall most is how he fawned around the popular kids like a cocker spaniel.

Ursus, you've stated that you went to Hyde with MC, PS, GW, NC, RS, and the P brothers, which puts you squarely in the LSD timeframe, yet you've been uncharacteristically mute on this subject. What were your thoughts when you learned of his pedophilia?

Mike

Hi Mike,

I honestly don't remember Larry very well.  I have a vague recollection of him falling into the category of sycophant, but then a lot of kids fell into that category, not necessarily for nefarious reasons.  It was most certainly a survival mechanism for some, and then, of course, you had the kids who were earnestly trying to "get it" because they were good sorts, albeit a little dense (although not all such were sycophants in said pursuit).

Didn't think I was mute on this subject, perhaps you've missed some of my usual piss and vinegar...  Quite frankly, at this point, I think Hyde nurtures and hence selects for such pedophilic deviants.  There have been just too many cases over the years, and these are just the ones we know about.  And each time, we hear of some less than even perfunctory slap on the wrist as a consequence, if one at all.  Most schools would have taken legal action against these perpetrators.  Yet Hyde extends welcoming hands towards them, attempting to keep these individuals in the community.  The victims, the kids, whose education and well being are ostensibly the basis for Hyde's existence in the first place, are the ones who are ostracized, humiliated, and effectively excised for their troubles.  One has to wonder as to the veracity of the official word Hyde tells us of these situations, as it does not appear to comport with their behavior.

Looking at your line-up of initials, I can figure everyone out save PS and RS.  Perhaps my brain just isn't working at the moment... refresh my memory, who are you referring to?



Phil Smith --- you remember him, don't you? --- and Robbie Stafford.

I wonder if Dubinsky would have turned out not to be such a Humbert Humbert if at least one popular girl had returned his affections. Boy, is he stuck!

If sexual predators are a menace, then this is true to a greater extent at Hyde. In that closed community not only are cultural norms eroded but students and teachers are required to share intimate secrets, often in private, one on one. It's a culture rife with opportunities for pedophiles. I honestly can't understand why Hyde tolerates his presence on campus other than to conclude that they take a laxer view of pedophilia than the rest of society.

Mike
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« Reply #172 on: April 18, 2007, 09:00:01 AM »
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Can anyone explain to me why all these Hyde cult members are still dealing w/ the same problems they did when they were students?Doesn't that tell us something? Aren't people supposed to deal w/ their issues and move on?? I strongly believe that Hyde thrives on people's emotional pain. Also, I never understood what good it does to tell your deepest secrets to a bunch of strangers that are completely screwed up themselves, and having it be facilitated by Hyde staff that have NO training in any form of psychology, except by other Hyde cult members. Btw it is really sick how they are all married to eachother. The saying "keeping it in the family" strongly applies to these people.

My friend, when you have been brainwashed as long and with such consequences as we have, it is not as simple a matter as merely recognizing that in order to move on.  There is rage over that lost, there is decompression, there is coordinating the past with the present, and there is a certain amount of healing that needs to happen.  

As far as telling deep secrets to screwed up strangers, that is one hell of a question.  Honest to God, I'm not sure I can give you a good answer.  I guess we didn't realize how screwed up they were,  they passed themselves off as experts, and they sure crammed it down our throats just how messed up WE were.  And our parents went along with that, and participated in the same spiel.  I don't think anyone even thought to question the academic background (or lack thereof) of any of the faculty, at least to my awareness at the time.  If someone did, it certainly wasn't common knowledge.  I can't imagine anyone not questioning that nowadays, but apparently people still don't.  Maybe they are just so grateful that someone is "helping" their kid that they don't want to know...

Thanks for the reasonable answer.  You obviously have turned out well IN SPITE of Hyde.

Ursus and friends,

Let's turn the spotlight back on to Hyde, where it belongs. Several people have asked what Larry Dubinsky was like as a student. What I recall most is how he fawned around the popular kids like a cocker spaniel.

Ursus, you've stated that you went to Hyde with MC, PS, GW, NC, RS, and the P brothers, which puts you squarely in the LSD timeframe, yet you've been uncharacteristically mute on this subject. What were your thoughts when you learned of his pedophilia?

Mike


What we now know about Hyde, and this is indisputable, is that the school has a history of accepting quite a few deeply troubled students.  Some of these students walk through Hyde's "hallowed" front door with histories of substance abuse, defiant behavior, legal troubles, and very complicated emotional and mental illness issues.

So, what does Hyde do?  Hyde foists upon them lectures about character, as if Hyde's superficial, glib and formulaic preachings are going to get at the root of that kind of complex set of challenges.  Joe Gauld and his minions know how to cure all these ills.

Give me a break.  Hyde takes in these students and doesn't have one iota of bona fide mental health services on its campus.  This is a recipe for disaster, and Hyde has had plenty of them.  What Virginia Tech has taught us, yet again, is that academic institutions, Hyde included, need to have sophisticated protocols in place.  Virginia Tech, at least, has a genuine student mental health center, the way any legitimate, professionally run school would.  (There's only so much a school can do to prevent what happened at Virginia Tech.)  Hyde, on the other hand, takes in a very high-risk population (unlike Virginia Tech) and has NO THERAPISTS ON STAFF.  Is that bizarre, or what?  

What will it take for Hyde to learn? Parents, is this the environment you want your child in?
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« Reply #173 on: April 18, 2007, 10:49:05 AM »
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...Quite frankly, at this point, I think Hyde nurtures and hence selects for such pedophilic deviants.  There have been just too many cases over the years, and these are just the ones we know about.  And each time, we hear of some less than even perfunctory slap on the wrist as a consequence, if one at all.  Most schools would have taken legal action against these perpetrators.  Yet Hyde extends welcoming hands towards them, attempting to keep these individuals in the community.  The victims, the kids, whose education and well being are ostensibly the basis for Hyde's existence in the first place, are the ones who are ostracized, humiliated, and effectively excised for their troubles.  One has to wonder as to the veracity of the official word Hyde tells us of these situations, as it does not appear to comport with their behavior.

Looking at your line-up of initials, I can figure everyone out save PS and RS.  Perhaps my brain just isn't working at the moment... refresh my memory, who are you referring to?

Phil Smith --- you remember him, don't you? --- and Robbie Stafford.

I wonder if Dubinsky would have turned out not to be such a Humbert Humbert if at least one popular girl had returned his affections. Boy, is he stuck!

If sexual predators are a menace, then this is true to a greater extent at Hyde. In that closed community not only are cultural norms eroded but students and teachers are required to share intimate secrets, often in private, one on one. It's a culture rife with opportunities for pedophiles. I honestly can't understand why Hyde tolerates his presence on campus other than to conclude that they take a laxer view of pedophilia than the rest of society.

Mike


Phil and Robbie... of course, what was I thinking!

I just want to say one more thing, in keeping with my contention that Hyde is a community that not only coddles, but actually nurtures pedophilic deviants of the sort of Dubinsky, Thurrell, and Milton, as well as countless others I canÂ’t think of at the moment or donÂ’t even know of, that is, that this is not an unheard of phenomenon in insular communities with ideologies perceived as being at odds with the world at large.

A year or so ago, I had some news program on (maybe 20/20?) that focused on the case of this young Amish woman who had left her community.  She had endured years of sexual abuse at the hands of three of her brothers.  Her mother did nothing.  Her father did nothing, I believe it was a stepfather; perhaps he was even involved, I donÂ’t completely remember.  Locking the door to her bedroom did nothing; the brothers would take the door off of its hinges (one has to wonder why the door was installed with the hinges on the outside in the first place).  She had brought up the situation to the local Amish elders many times.  Each time the brothers would admit to the crime, to lie was apparently an even bigger sin than raping your sister.  Each time the perpetrators received the same punishment:  a talking to and 6 weeks banishment from attending religious services.  One brother in particular was more persistent than the others.

Finally she turned to outside the community for help.  BIG sin, to Amish eyes, worse than incest.  Police came in, the brothers were arrested.  She pressed charges, she had absolutely had it.  The case went to trial.  In the courtroom, as part of the spectator contingent, were about a hundred Amish women -- not in support for this poor girl, but for the brothers!  When the sentencing came down for the most egregious perpetrator, the women actually wept for him en masse!  Tell me this doesnÂ’t make you sick.

It all goes to show you the extent to which insular communities, sects, cults, what have you, will go in order to protect the sanctity of the group.  HydeÂ’s behavior with regard to protecting sexual predators from the consequences of their actions is totally in keeping with this modus operandi.  As far as preserving the intactness of the community is concerned, victims of these sicko low-life bottom-feeders are merely incidental road kill along the way, unavoidable carnage, unimportant in the larger scheme of things.
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« Reply #174 on: April 18, 2007, 09:08:46 PM »
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Ursus and friends,

Let's turn the spotlight back on to Hyde, where it belongs. Several people have asked what Larry Dubinsky was like as a student. What I recall most is how he fawned around the popular kids like a cocker spaniel.

Ursus, you've stated that you went to Hyde with MC, PS, GW, NC, RS, and the P brothers, which puts you squarely in the LSD timeframe, yet you've been uncharacteristically mute on this subject. What were your thoughts when you learned of his pedophilia?

Mike

Hi Mike,

I honestly don't remember Larry very well.  I have a vague recollection of him falling into the category of sycophant, but then a lot of kids fell into that category, not necessarily for nefarious reasons.  It was most certainly a survival mechanism for some, and then, of course, you had the kids who were earnestly trying to "get it" because they were good sorts, albeit a little dense (although not all such were sycophants in said pursuit).

Didn't think I was mute on this subject, perhaps you've missed some of my usual piss and vinegar...  Quite frankly, at this point, I think Hyde nurtures and hence selects for such pedophilic deviants.  There have been just too many cases over the years, and these are just the ones we know about.  And each time, we hear of some less than even perfunctory slap on the wrist as a consequence, if one at all.  Most schools would have taken legal action against these perpetrators.  Yet Hyde extends welcoming hands towards them, attempting to keep these individuals in the community.  The victims, the kids, whose education and well being are ostensibly the basis for Hyde's existence in the first place, are the ones who are ostracized, humiliated, and effectively excised for their troubles.  One has to wonder as to the veracity of the official word Hyde tells us of these situations, as it does not appear to comport with their behavior.

Looking at your line-up of initials, I can figure everyone out save PS and RS.  Perhaps my brain just isn't working at the moment... refresh my memory, who are you referring to?


Phil Smith --- you remember him, don't you? --- and Robbie Stafford.

I wonder if Dubinsky would have turned out not to be such a Humbert Humbert if at least one popular girl had returned his affections. Boy, is he stuck!

If sexual predators are a menace, then this is true to a greater extent at Hyde. In that closed community not only are cultural norms eroded but students and teachers are required to share intimate secrets, often in private, one on one. It's a culture rife with opportunities for pedophiles. I honestly can't understand why Hyde tolerates his presence on campus other than to conclude that they take a laxer view of pedophilia than the rest of society.

Mike


Hi Mike and All,

Does Hyde work?  Not based on what I see. We have been hearing stories of the staff at Hyde still stuck where they were 30 years ago while students at Hyde.  Hyde has not been "raising the bar" for themselves as they try to teach.  This thread is about Dubinsky so I will stay focused on him.

So many things come to my mind when watching the tv coverage of the Virginia Tech massacre. Many people are questioning why no one did anything when realizing that Mr Cho was a very sick man.  There is speculation that many families will sue the school. They say that the school could very well be liable if they can prove they were aware of the danger of allowing Mr Cho to remain on campus with such a sordid past.

How is this different from Hyde School?  Hyde has been aware in the past of violent behavior of students. I remember a student telling his father in seminar, "I am going to snuff you out."  Hyde did nothing about this other than a concern meeting.

The relation to Dubinsky is the following.......The school has been aware of inappropriate and bizarre behavior by Dubinsky for years based on what I read.  Hyde has chosen to allow this man access to campus even though there have been multiple reports of abuse and inappropriate behavior.  Hyde even provides housing for him which I find unacceptable since he should be kept away from all female students.

Hyde has a responsibility to keep their students safe.  In my estimation Hyde is not doing this.  Please be on notice Hyde that should any other incidences occur concerning staff members who have been reported, you will be liable. You are hereby notified that you have a dangerous situation, maybe a time bomb waiting to explode and you need to do something about it.
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« Reply #175 on: April 19, 2007, 12:08:38 PM »
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« Reply #176 on: April 24, 2007, 05:11:07 PM »
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I wonder if Dubinsky would have turned out not to be such a Humbert Humbert if at least one popular girl had returned his affections. Boy, is he stuck!
I seriously doubt it.  This is no simple longing for love and affection.  There are power issues at work in such a mind.  Were there complaints about Larry feeling up the female faculty members?  No, he targets the more vulnerable prey, the young girls who are less able to defend themselves both physically and morally.

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If sexual predators are a menace, then this is true to a greater extent at Hyde. In that closed community not only are cultural norms eroded but students and teachers are required to share intimate secrets, often in private, one on one. It's a culture rife with opportunities for pedophiles. I honestly can't understand why Hyde tolerates his presence on campus other than to conclude that they take a laxer view of pedophilia than the rest of society.
I don't think that they see it as pedophilia.  For some reason, teenage girls at Hyde are thought to be on par with sage adults when it comes to taking responsibility for sexual activity, never mind that, in this case at least, it was unwarranted, unwanted, and an out and out assault.  It is difficult for me to wrap my mind around this one, but this is clearly the way the place is run, as this kind of modus operandi has been in place for years, decades, really.

It kind of makes me wonder about this sick subtext at Hyde, just where does it come from?  I don't think that it is a fluke that this issue has come up so many times before.
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« Reply #177 on: April 24, 2007, 06:22:36 PM »
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True.  This type of predilection is the symptom of low self esteem  rather then a sexual preference.
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« Reply #178 on: April 25, 2007, 01:06:14 AM »
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True.  This type of predilection is the symptom of low self esteem  rather then a sexual preference.


Did Socrates have low self-esteem?

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« Reply #179 on: April 25, 2007, 04:48:14 AM »
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There are power issues at work in such a mind.


True.  This type of predilection is the symptom of low self esteem  rather then a sexual preference.

Did Socrates have low self-esteem?

Laertes Dubinskastotle



   No because, Hera gave him a magic potion to drink to make it right and his slaves sacrificed a calf at the alter of Zeus to make buggery sweet with the gods.
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