Vulcan Challenge - Fire Element

[Anonymous]

I have a child currently enrolled at HLA though
not for much longer.  I was told of a girl who,
for her "Vulcan Challenge," was assigned by the
counselors to stand up in front of the entire
student body and recount, in detail, being raped.
Rape victims are sometimes not required to testify in open court, yet this poor girl was
forced to relive this horrific event in front
of everyone.  Therapeutic?  I don't think so. How
is this benefitting this girl?  "tell us your
'issues' and we'll violate your confidence and further traumatize you."
It is so sad that parents believe themselves to
be helping their kids - most have no idea what
really goes on.  I certainly did not know, but
once I found out I made the decision to withdraw
my child.

[Anonymous]

Good choice. That story is fairly run of the mill for HLA.

[Anonymous]

Who thought this one up?? What is wrong with these people? Just when I thought I could not get more disgusted.....

[Troll Control]

On 2006-05-24 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

" I have a child currently enrolled at HLA though

not for much longer.  I was told of a girl who,

for her "Vulcan Challenge," was assigned by the

counselors to stand up in front of the entire

student body and recount, in detail, being raped.

Rape victims are sometimes not required to testify in open court, yet this poor girl was

forced to relive this horrific event in front

of everyone.  Therapeutic?  I don't think so. How

is this benefitting this girl?  "tell us your

'issues' and we'll violate your confidence and further traumatize you."

It is so sad that parents believe themselves to

be helping their kids - most have no idea what

really goes on.  I certainly did not know, but

once I found out I made the decision to withdraw

my child. "

Unfortunately, this is the model that HLA uses for "treatment."  It isn't just the seminars or special events.  This is the system espoused by HLA.

Kids are re-victimized and traumatized by uethical, untrained, unprofessional staff who have no business working with kids if they can't understand the basic underlying premise that HLA's brand of "help" hurts.  Period.

I am truly sorry that this young woman was subjected to such abject humiliation and degradation, but, parents, you should know going into it that this is what HLA does.  Despite the protestations of supporters, nothing has changed in the last decade.  It's the SAME GAME, just different faces and players.

I have seen young women called "slut" and "whore" because they "accepted" being raped (one by her own father).  This is ignorant and twisted, but it's WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR, parents.  Ultimately it is your fault because there is plenty of information readily available about HLA, and, more importantly, accepted, mainstream, research-proven effective treatment.  Use your brains.  Get out of the emotional vortex and do some rational, fact-based analysis BEFORE you hand your child over to people who will systematically abuse and taumatize them.

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"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-05-25 07:39 ]

[Deborah]

CEDU technique.
HLA troll, care to elaborate/defend this technique? What is the perceived benefit to the kid?

[Anonymous]

How can we? next topic, Parent so long we are better off with you gone.

[RobertBruce]

The troll has it right even without any real connection.

Any parent who questions the treatment their child recieves is deemed undesirable, the 100,000 is simply made up by slashing expenses like the water bill.

Kids can drink rain water and bathe in the lake.

[Badpuppy]

It takes absolutely no mental health training at all, NONE, to assess that this deleterious tactic is destablizing. No doubt whoever ordered her to do this must have been a man receiving vicarious pleasure from this unfortunate victim of a perverse form of involuntary pornography. All mental health workers have a duty under their association's ehtics guidelines to report this gross incompetence and negligent child care. It is ASTROUNDING that this place has a license of any sort. If I asked a twelve year whether someone should be forced to reveal a horrifying experience in front of people they don't trust, they would come up with the right answere.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-25 17:49 ]

[Deborah]

***No doubt whoever ordered her to do this must have been a man receiving vicarious pleasure from this unfortunate victim of a perverse form of involuntary pornography.

Could've been, or just a sadistic person of either gender.

***All mental health workers have a duty under their association's ehtics guidelines to report this gross incompetence and negligent child care. It is ASTROUNDING that this place has a license of any sort.

This "place" doesn't possess a license. There is no outside entity monitoring or regulating their techniques. They can do pretty much what they want.

[RobertBruce]

Not for long......

[Troll Control]

On 2006-05-25 17:43:00, Badpuppy wrote:

"It takes absolutely no mental health training at all, NONE, to assess that this deleterious tactic is destablizing. No doubt whoever ordered her to do this must have been a man receiving vicarious pleasure from this unfortunate victim of a perverse form of involuntary pornography. All mental health workers have a duty under their association's ehtics guidelines to report this gross incompetence and negligent child care. It is ASTROUNDING that this place has a license of any sort. If I asked a twelve year whether someone should be forced to reveal a horrifying experience in front of people they don't trust, they would come up with the right answere.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-25 17:49 ]"

And yet this is how they have done "therapy" for the past decade.  It's not the people, it's the system and it's incredibly damaging.

This is why their retention rate is falling below forty percent.  After a workshop or two the parents see the damage/backslide/worsening condition, etc. and pull their kids out.  This is why their "graduates" (less than forty percent) continue to have serious mental health issues including PTSD from being re-victimized and traumatized by hacks and quacks.

[Anonymous]

Your mom is a hack and quack
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[Deborah]

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#197357

[Badpuppy]

On 2006-05-31 05:30:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"

On 2006-05-25 17:43:00, Badpuppy wrote:


"It takes absolutely no mental health training at all, NONE, to assess that this deleterious tactic is destablizing. No doubt whoever ordered her to do this must have been a man receiving vicarious pleasure from this unfortunate victim of a perverse form of involuntary pornography. All mental health workers have a duty under their association's ehtics guidelines to report this gross incompetence and negligent child care. It is ASTROUNDING that this place has a license of any sort. If I asked a twelve year whether someone should be forced to reveal a horrifying experience in front of people they don't trust, they would come up with the right answere.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-25 17:49 ]"

And yet this is how they have done "therapy" for the past decade.  It's not the people, it's the system and it's incredibly damaging.



This is why their retention rate is falling below forty percent.  After a workshop or two the parents see the damage/backslide/worsening
condition, etc. and pull their kids out.  This is why their "graduates" (less than forty percent) continue to have serious mental health issues including PTSD from being re-victimized and traumatized by hacks and quacks.
"

Yes, parents are always looking for the ancedotal tales of success or failure without the sophistication to realize that damage is endemic to this therapuetic model.
1) Kids health and safty is inevitably comprised by the dearth of regulation.
2) The absense of regulation allows greed and avarice to take precedence over clinical judgement.
3) The isolation and artificial environment of this therapuetic miliue exacerbates symtomology and desensitizes residents who need to develop emphathy and compassion as important relationship skills.
4) The ridgitity of the system is unable to accomodate the unique treatment needs of every child. They are individual treatment plans in name only. Control and obediance to authority is what these places are about, resulting in a teen warehouse. The growth of self control and real relationship skills are retarded. The feelings of depersonalization and objectification are intensified.

5) The system is self-perpetuating and recidivist in that it hires counselors without the experience or professional skill to understand the negative inpact of this institutional quagmire. When conduct is questioned dissent is crushed. Staff turnover is very high. The one counselor who attempted to address my question was clueless about the concept of "working it through" Any freshman psychology student, could exemplify this. The incompetence is uttterly shocking. I was left  apoplectic. I was asking about the treatment of sexual identity issues, not leprosy, although judging by how fast they ran from it they might as well be the same. This is Frankentherapy, a therapy so far from objective reality it has no psychological validity.

[Troll Control]

Well said, and accurate.

One thing:

They are individual treatment plans in name only.

HLA does not provide treatment planning.  Only some attendees are psychologically evaluated.  Their website even states that Ed Cons may make a diagnosis of ODD and they will accept that child based on the dx of an Ed Con.

This is a two-faceted problem.  One, kids are not tested, diagnosed and treated accordingly by licensed providers and two, if they actually did provide treatment planning, it would be a violation of ORS regulations regarding "private boarding schools," as they are forbidden to perform treatment planning.

They are very big on saying HLA "falls between" a school and a treatment center.  This is true in one respect: they provide niether an education nor treatment.