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Offline Nihilanthic

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« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2006, 11:15:00 PM »
Youll find the secret of the universe explained to you before thewho can give a straight answer.

He is the MASTER of deflection.
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« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2006, 10:00:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-28 11:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-05-13 16:24:00, TheWho wrote:


 Just to simplify:  When we were all young and wanted to communicate to someone how something hurt we may pull their hair or kick them and say this is how it felt, which is heavily demonstrated with very little articulation because they lack the vocabulary and are immature.  



I understand the point you're making but it still fails to address the fact that kids are[/b] treated like that in those places.  I don't think Niles is trying to demonstrate anything, I think he speaks what and how he feels.  You don't find that appropriate, OK.  My question to you is why would that type of behavior be appropriate for kids?  This is precisely the sort of interaction that takes place in the seminars.  It's an integral and mandatory part of bringing about this miraculous change (read brainwash)."

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I understand the point you're making but it still fails to address the fact that kids are treated like that in those places.

If that is the case it needs to stop

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I don't think Niles is trying to demonstrate anything, I think he speaks what and how he feels.
I agree with you, if he feels angry he yells and screams and uses profanity, which is very demonstrative and is not very effective in the adult world.  If he is speaking to his friends on a street corner it may be appropriate and effective, but to most parents he is not making an effect and maybe he doesn?t want to, who knows.  Maybe he just feels good afterwards

 
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You don't find that appropriate, OK.
I don?t have a problem with it, just pointing out why he may have gotten kicked off ST.  They seem to lean more towards articulate vs Demonstrative communication.

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My question to you is why would that type of behavior be appropriate for kids?
I don?t think it is, but I realize it is part of the natural maturation process and growth in learning how to communicate and get your point across.  Kids grow out of it, some sooner than others.

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This is precisely the sort of interaction that takes place in the seminars. It's an integral and mandatory part of bringing about this miraculous change (read brainwash).

Not sure I am in alignment with you on that.  Change can be effected in many ways, although demonstrating is typically key, it does not have to be via bullying, screaming and profanity.
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« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2006, 10:06:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-30 20:15:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"Youll find the secret of the universe explained to you before thewho can give a straight answer.



He is the MASTER of deflection."


The two prime movers in the Universe are Time and Luck.
--Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.



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« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2006, 05:59:00 PM »
HyperBump
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« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2006, 11:32:00 PM »
Back on top it goes!
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« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2006, 12:22:00 AM »
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On 2006-05-12 10:36:00, LauraLee wrote:

"Bleh, didn't mean to start any drama.



I have a couple on questions for you.



1) What program did you attend?



Catherine Freer Wilderness Therapy Expeditions.



2) Did you go willingly?



Not at all.



3) And, if you didn't, were you escorted?



I was escorted. Pretty frightening, but they were nice people because I cooperated. I don't even want to think what it would be like if I didn't cooperate...



4) Did you get anything positive out of it?



Well... I guess I learned how to conquer my fears, but not in the most positive of ways (they forced me to do things I sure as hell was petrified of [like rock-climbing, I'm terrified of heights]). But other than that, no. I came home just the same way as I left. It took new therapy, new medication, and a new school/new friends to make me the "sane" (whatever that may be) girl I am today.



5) If you didn't, did anyone in your group?

 

I think they may have (especially this one girl who was addicted to cocaine), but I guess I can't judge that because I don't know whether she is still sober. I think everyone gets a little something out of it, but I don't think that you need an intense 7 week trip in the mountains of Oregon to get positive coping skills.



Hope this doesn't start any fights... I'm just trying to help  ::eek3::"

Isnt forcing a kid with a terror of heights dangerous to all the kids as well as the instructor? What if the kid freaks out and has a meltdown of some sort.
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« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2006, 12:08:00 PM »
Oh, there were many meltdowns with kids last summer. The trip leaders just sat around and told them to get over it and to stop being dramatic, and that they were going to show no sympathy towards them.

That's super therapeutic!
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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2006, 12:20:00 PM »
That sucks; but enough debate! Time for some cocktails...

Here's how you do it:
- Get a coke bottle & fill it with gasoline about half full
- Cram a piece of cloth into the neck of it nice and tight
- Get a chlorine tablet and stuff it in there. You are going to have to force it because the tablets are bigger than the opening of the bottle.
- Now find a suitable victim and wing it in their direction. When it hits the pavement or any surface hard enough to break it, and the chlorine and gasoline mix..... BOOM!!!!!!
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« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2006, 04:51:00 PM »
I prefer the lit rag method myself.
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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2006, 05:07:00 PM »
Me too; I looked for that one but could only find the other.
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« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2006, 11:54:00 AM »
Nah.  "Gasoline, Tide, and a bit o' the white wool--the only way to kiss an Englishman good mornin'"

I feel comfortable quoting the recipe because it won't work anymore--Tide's formulation has changed.

I think the discussion was satirical, but I also think there's a danger some dumbass might go out and try it.

The tablet of chlorine method is dangerous.

There are safer methods of doing improvised munitions, but I'm too afraid someone would try them to post them on the internet.

Do not use the Anarchist's Cookbook recipes.  They're "wrong" in the sense of being more likely to hurt you than any target.

The old adage of explosives experts: You fuck up, you blow up.

Direct Action of the violent type, by amateurs, is always a lousy idea.  You'll make all the people who oppose these private prisons look like wild-eyed radicals, and more than likely get innocent people killed.  Regardless, if you do go for violence against people or property you really will end up deadorinjail

Now, if you could convince a few guys from one of the SEAL Teams to do an independent operation, that would be different. :wink: :wink: :wink:

(No way in hell, but the thought is amusing.)
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« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2006, 12:56:00 PM »
Okay, I guess them sending their daughter away worked for them. So good, they are making hundreds of thousands of dollars off their book! Congrats!!!!

I am sorry but for most kids that go through this, they do not live happily ever after. Most of us have huge abandoment issues....that we never get over.

Problems that remain with us for the rest of our lives.
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2006, 11:58:00 PM »
Fucking bump.
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« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2006, 12:29:00 AM »
LOL - the publicity for WWASPS will trigger a landslide of hits on the Anti-WWASPS websites, I love it!!!!
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