ASR

[TheWho]

If ASR isnt a TBS then why do they claim to be one?

You should go to sleep....no one is saying that here

What difference does it make whether or not it's mentioned? The fact of the matter is ASR does claim to be a TBS.

So the question stands. If they arent a TBS why do they claim to be one?

Of course they claim to be a TBS, because they are a TBS....you are not making much sense.

[Anonymous]

You were the one who tried to claim earlier they weren't. Perhaps you could try keeping closer tabs on your own comments.

So with that settled the next question is whether or not they accept kids with special needs.

Again by their own addmission the answer is yes.

[Troll Control]

TheWho said:

"There is no hard evidence either way. If there was a category for TBS then we wouldn’t be having this debate. But the state has definitions for Special needs school and private schools etc. and ASR doesn’t fit cleanly into any one category. It is a hybrid and that is why they don’t come under any one jurisdiction. One person can speculate “Oh, they are avoiding being a Private school”,,,,,,, another “No they are avoiding being a special ed school”…. Another says “They are avoiding being a RTC”….but the truth is the state doesn’t have a clear definition for Therapeutic boarding schools nor a set of guidelines for them to follow, nor an oversight committee.
We cant sit here and pull up a list of regulations for Special ed schools when they don’t fit the whole definition and they aren’t just a private boarding school because they offer therapy. "

To say this is to ignore history.  This isn't happening in a vacuum.  ASR is following its predecessors' carefully laid path of avoiding regulation.  You can say "no hard evidence" but the lack of evidence in dozens of other cases prior has been intentional and willful on the part of the "TBS".

WWASPS and HLA (along with several other NATSAP facilities) did it exactly the same way and got away with it for over a decade.  It takes time to get regulators to look into - civil servants don't like to rock the boat or do the work.  But once they do get the investigation started, the results have been clear - 100% of the TBS's were required to register and license as RTC/RCF and were denied "school" status.

ASR is not new, not innovative.  It's just another "TBS" built on the same foundations as all the others that were forced into regulation.

[TheWho]

TheWho said:

"There is no hard evidence either way. If there was a category for TBS then we wouldn’t be having this debate. But the state has definitions for Special needs school and private schools etc. and ASR doesn’t fit cleanly into any one category. It is a hybrid and that is why they don’t come under any one jurisdiction. One person can speculate “Oh, they are avoiding being a Private school”,,,,,,, another “No they are avoiding being a special ed school”…. Another says “They are avoiding being a RTC”….but the truth is the state doesn’t have a clear definition for Therapeutic boarding schools nor a set of guidelines for them to follow, nor an oversight committee.
We cant sit here and pull up a list of regulations for Special ed schools when they don’t fit the whole definition and they aren’t just a private boarding school because they offer therapy. "

To say this is to ignore history.  This isn't happening in a vacuum.  ASR is following its predecessors' carefully laid path of avoiding regulation.  You can say "no hard evidence" but the lack of evidence in dozens of other cases prior has been intentional and willful on the part of the "TBS".

WWASPS and HLA (along with several other NATSAP facilities) did it exactly the same way and got away with it for over a decade.  It takes time to get regulators to look into - civil servants don't like to rock the boat or do the work.  But once they do get the investigation started, the results have been clear - 100% of the TBS's were required to register and license as RTC/RCF and were denied "school" status.

ASR is not new, not innovative.  It's just another "TBS" built on the same foundations as all the others that were forced into regulation.

So what you are saying is a successful business is going to knowingly model themselves after other schools which ended up getting sued and had regulation forced on them and ended up being denied school status…  Hmmmm … not too sure I would align myself with this thinking.

[Troll Control]

ASR started as an HLA clone.  And modeling themselves after other "TBS's" is exactly what they've done.  Same language/terminology, same philosophy/methodology and even many of the same staff.

ASR is built on the same foundations as all of the others, try as you might to distinguish it.  Bottom line is they are unqualified to teach, provide spec ed or to provide therapy.  No getting around the fact that they fail to meet even the minimum standards for a private school, a Special Ed School or and RCF/RTC.

[Anonymous]

That's because you're a moron. Look at the facts dummy; how is what ASR is doing now any different then any of the other TBS's who have had regulation forced upon them?

[TheWho]

That's because you're a moron. Look at the facts dummy

More personal attacks…must be short on facts again.

And like I said,  you can believe people here on fornits or you can call the school or Department of Education's Program Quality Assurance Services Unit (781) 338-3700

I wouldn’t decide to place or not place a child solely based on what you hear at fornits or a web site… get the facts parents

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[Troll Control]

I didn't write that.  I wrote this below.  You're getting your posters confused.

ASR started as an HLA clone.  And modeling themselves after other "TBS's" is exactly what they've done.  Same language/terminology, same philosophy/methodology and even many of the same staff.

ASR is built on the same foundations as all of the others, try as you might to distinguish it.  Bottom line is they are unqualified to teach, provide spec ed or to provide therapy.  No getting around the fact that they fail to meet even the minimum standards for a private school, a Special Ed School or and RCF/RTC.

[Anonymous]

That's because you're a moron. Look at the facts dummy

More personal attacks…must be short on facts again.

And like I said,  you can believe people here on fornits or you can call the school or Department of Education's Program Quality Assurance Services Unit (781) 338-3700

I wouldn’t decide to place or not place a child solely based on what you hear at fornits or a web site… get the facts parents

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Well truth be told you are a moron, but that's neither here nor there. The poster who you're so upset about did bring up a valid point.

How is what ASR is now doing any different then what HLA or any of the other numerous programs who have had licensure forced upon them tried to do?

[TheWho]

I didn't write that.  I wrote this below.  You're getting your posters confused.

ASR started as an HLA clone.  And modeling themselves after other "TBS's" is exactly what they've done.  Same language/terminology, same philosophy/methodology and even many of the same staff.

ASR is built on the same foundations as all of the others, try as you might to distinguish it.  Bottom line is they are unqualified to teach, provide spec ed or to provide therapy.  No getting around the fact that they fail to meet even the minimum standards for a private school, a Special Ed School or and RCF/RTC.

Sorry, writing too quickly
meant to say:
You can believe people here on fornits or you can call the school or Department of Education's Program Quality Assurance Services Unit (781) 338-3700

I wouldn’t decide to place or not place a child solely based on what you hear at fornits or a web site… get the facts
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[Anonymous]

And again what do you believe those facts to be?

Is ASR a Special needs school?

Are they a traditional boarding school?

Are they both and thus above all classifications?

Why did they claim exemption under the 30% rule if they arent a special needs school?

[Troll Control]

True.  I verified these facts with EEC:

-no special ed teachers or administrators - none
-no licensed teachers

And this fact with DMH:

-no licensed counselors

That's enough for me to avoid this facility.  They really have no professionals working there and don't meet minimum requirements for either a school or a residential childcare facility.  

This fact alone leads me to a "no-go" decision and there's no need to look further - ASR is incapable of meeting the needs of kids.

[TheWho]

True.  I verified these facts with EEC:

-no special ed teachers or administrators - none
-no licensed teachers

And this fact with DMH:

-no licensed counselors

That's enough for me to avoid this facility.  They really have no professionals working there and don't meet minimum requirements for either a school or a residential childcare facility.  

This fact alone leads me to a "no-go" decision and there's no need to look further - ASR is incapable of meeting the needs of kids.

So, you dont have a problem if the parents call and check for themselves would you?  

Call the school directly (tell them what you heard on fornits) and /or call:

Department of Education's Program Quality Assurance Services Unit (781) 338-3700

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[Anonymous]

What is it you think theyre going to say. Or are you afraid to take a firm position?

[Troll Control]

No, of course not.  They should hear directly from the source that ASR has no licensed teachers, no special ed teachers and no special ed administrator.

These are important facts that the state can verify for worried parents!