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Offline Nihilanthic

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« on: April 30, 2006, 06:25:00 PM »
No, this isnt a flame, just a statement of its purpose that was made clear to me:

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Originaly posted by Jena on Struggling Teens:

As for accountability of programs....that is not this forum's purpose. This forum's purpose is to be supportive of people dealing with struggling teens. We can do that with generalities because we have been doing it for the last three or four years.

I am a VETERAN of newsgroups, the ultimate, unmoderated, free-for-all discussion groups. I have been there, done that when it comes to dealing with trolls, flame wars and other internet goofiness. This is NOT about that!! This is NOT about people getting "emotional" or being touchy.

I already explained what it IS about and I'm not going to do it again.

This forum is not here to be a watch-dog, an advocate for either parents or kids, or anything other than what it is....a supportive place for people dealing with struggling teens. Why is that so hard to understand?


Well, I think its pretty obvious.

Its about the parents, and their feelings and emotions, nothing else. :roll:
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2006, 06:33:00 PM »
Originally posted by Jena on Struggling Teens:

"This forum's purpose is to be supportive of people dealing with struggling teens".

Well at least she is clear about their purpose.  

It would be a bit counter productive for Lon Woodbury to allow any thing "anti-industry", including fair and balanced information.

Unfortunately, for the parent seeking help, they are getting a very one sided picture.
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2006, 06:36:00 PM »
Whenever a parent posts and asks for information on a specific program, they hear the pros and cons from a number of people who have actually had experience with the program. Many parents did not like some things about the program or some of the staff- they will communicate this to anyone considering the program.
It is not just a one-sided picture. No program is perfect. It is a matter of making the best choice for a particular teen.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2006, 06:50:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-30 15:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Whenever a parent posts and asks for information on a specific program, they hear the pros and cons from a number of people who have actually had experience with the program. Many parents did not like some things about the program or some of the staff- they will communicate this to anyone considering the program.


Bullshit, you're trolling again.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2006, 06:50:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-30 15:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Whenever a parent posts and asks for information on a specific program, they hear the pros and cons from a number of people who have actually had experience with the program. Many parents did not like some things about the program or some of the staff- they will communicate this to anyone considering the program.

It is not just a one-sided picture. No program is perfect. It is a matter of making the best choice for a particular teen.  "


Theyre told shit by other program parents on struggling teens, edcons, and anyone else lurking there. There is no open discussion or criticism. There is no challenging, there is no accountability, its just whoever gets to them first.

Its also not a secret taht a lot of the way these programs are 'sold' is to either create, or take advantage of an existing emotional distress of the parent and offer the program as a solution to that.  :roll:

That, alone, is basically bullshit and nothing but a vehicle for selling programs.

The other thing? How is any of this about the "best interest of the teen" when in 25+ years, not one program in this screwed up industry has ever proven its effectiveness? How is it they still operate so secretively?

Why is the isolation justified? How about the long term stays? Thats not how REAL therapy works! The nonconsentual commitment and forced captivity is not how therapy works either. Its a necessary evil for someone whose actively tryign to hurt himself or others, but guess what? As soon as that risk is over, theyre let out. Be it in a hour, or days, or weeks, or whatever - not months to years.

Restraint is used as corporal punishment in programs! Thats torture and abuse in and of itself, but in addition they use PAIN COMPLIANCE restraint, stress positions, and being locked up in "OP" or "R&R" or whatever euphamism they have for "the hole".

These programs operate in a behavior modification model, nothing more, nothing less. They cant prove they work or provide any therapy at all, have not really changed much over the past 3 decades, and a lot of what they use is either anachronistic and abusive (LGAT seminars) or just ineffective.

So, considering not one place can even prove they work or help anything, there are constant accusations of abuse against a lot of these, and what they ADMITTEDLY USE is either ineffective or abusive, how the hell is this good for any child at all?

Its not. Its to make the parents feel better by taking the problem away for a long time, and to make a lot of money for the people running these places, and Ive yet to see a shred of evidence to the contrary.
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2006, 06:51:00 PM »
Nihil ... ya sorta already got it, or ya super S....L....O

ya got this place and some others to do yer accountability stuf

everything don't have ta be all yer way.  some folk like sumthin beyond don't do it or yer an abusive, stupid ass
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2006, 06:59:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-30 15:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Nihil ... ya sorta already got it, or ya super S....L....O



ya got this place and some others to do yer accountability stuf



everything don't have ta be all yer way.  some folk like sumthin beyond don't do it or yer an abusive, stupid ass"


HUH?  :???:
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2006, 07:00:00 PM »
Wouldn't you fucking think that if they really wanted to help the struggling teens, they'd invite the teens themselves to post there?

*laughs at the prospect of them actually doing that*
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2006, 07:02:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-30 16:00:00, Luke Stephens wrote:

"Wouldn't you fucking think that if they really wanted to help the struggling teens, they'd invite the teens themselves to post there?



*laughs at the prospect of them actually doing that*
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Its all about the feelings of the parents - and how they feel that you WERE at risk of being "Deadinsaneorinjail" or whatever, and they DID do the right thing, but it was very very hard (for them!) and they find comfort in that. They did the right thing, suffered stoically, did all the hard work, and feel very good about it, and dont want that challenged in any way.

So, naturally, they flip out if I take the foundation out of their belief system by stating that its neither therapeutic, nor that 99% of these kids need a god damn thing, or directly attack it by saying theyre full of it and need to grow up.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2006, 07:09:00 PM »
Struggling Trolls are not about truth, or fact, they want a place to continue living in their fake realit they pay so much to create for themselves. They want to have a group of self-congratulatory parents who had to suffer through their horrible teen's abuse. They are a board for child abusers who use cute orwellian terms like "tbs" and "escort" to describe the abusive environments they throw their kids into. They tell their friends they sent their kid to a boarding school, and continue to live in their fake reality. Of course they don't want you there posting, you remind them of the real world, something they are desperately trying to avoid. There are no bad kids, only bad parents.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2006, 07:13:00 PM »
This is the really stupid part:

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This forum's purpose is to be supportive of people dealing with struggling teens.


Who, exactly, is struggling here? :???:

Here's an idea, let's change the direction of this thread and make its purpose a supportive place for people dealing with struggling trolls. (Struggling to keep their stories straight, that is.)
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2006, 07:14:00 PM »
StrugglingTeens is a business, plain and simple. The trolls on their forum are simply their shills.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2006, 07:14:00 PM »
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"StrugglingTeens is a business, plain and simple. The trolls on their forum are simply their shills."


And this forum, too.
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2006, 07:16:00 PM »
BTW, luke, if you dont mind me asking - where were you sent to for a 'program', and why were you sent there? And, how were you sprung out?
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2006, 07:23:00 PM »
Fucking- why do people keep asking me that? I don't want to talk about it. The authorities raided it, that's all I'm saying.
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