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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2006, 12:23:00 PM »
:rofl: Be nice.
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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2006, 12:24:00 PM »
Seriously,send him to the Hyde school or something. Elan won't teach him what he needs to get through life.
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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2006, 12:33:00 PM »
if I didn't know better, i'd think you are Diana Valente from admissions telling me to send him to Elan
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2006, 12:44:00 PM »
probably was her.
Admissions are way down i am sure. Its common sense to do a google search ( or any other search) to look for info or alternatives to your son's treatment. elan does not fair very well in any of those searches. these are people who have made a living out of being con-artists. They know all the "magic" words to get you to place your son,however the quality of care,staff,education,leaves alot to be desired. i am only familiar with Elan and not the other placements available to you.
if you read some of the very sick posts from this site alone,it would be my guess that you would be scared to death that your son could end up another poster here at fornits.
wishing you the best
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2006, 01:26:00 PM »
Maybe somewhere in all the useless dribble and excrement on this site, parents are reading it and seeing some truth about what elan really is. so, I guess there is a point to all this nonesense...
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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2006, 01:27:00 PM »
thanks for all the input.  I'm glad that this place exists for survivors to come and post and no I don't want my son to need it.  I'm sure he's already on some other site ranting about me and surviving all that he goes through.  I'm so glad I found this site - despite some of the stupid posts that actually made me laugh out loud in the public library and secondarily made me look mentally ill.  You are right... as a parent trying to find a solution to a really tough situation, Elan and other schools like it prey on parent's fears.  

The biggest irony is that when I first looked at Elan they wouldn't accept my son because he was taking meds (3 different ones).  When they learned that he had stopped taking them (against med advice) all of a sudden he was the perfect candidate.  When I expressed concern over not seeing him for 6 months they told me that it was my own neediness that was getting in the way and that perhaps a good therapist for me was in order.  When I shared that my parents are aging and that a year without seeing them could mean the difference between my son seeing them before they passed away or not, Diana told me that it was clear I didn't think my son's life was worth saving if I wasn't willing to take some chances.
UGHH.  I'll keep looking.


thanks again.
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2006, 02:22:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-02 10:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"thanks for all the input.  I'm glad that this place exists for survivors to come and post and no I don't want my son to need it.  I'm sure he's already on some other site ranting about me and surviving all that he goes through.  I'm so glad I found this site - despite some of the stupid posts that actually made me laugh out loud in the public library and secondarily made me look mentally ill.  You are right... as a parent trying to find a solution to a really tough situation, Elan and other schools like it prey on parent's fears.  



The biggest irony is that when I first looked at Elan they wouldn't accept my son because he was taking meds (3 different ones).  When they learned that he had stopped taking them (against med advice) all of a sudden he was the perfect candidate.  When I expressed concern over not seeing him for 6 months they told me that it was my own neediness that was getting in the way and that perhaps a good therapist for me was in order.  When I shared that my parents are aging and that a year without seeing them could mean the difference between my son seeing them before they passed away or not, Diana told me that it was clear I didn't think my son's life was worth saving if I wasn't willing to take some chances.

UGHH.  I'll keep looking.





thanks again."

Dianna has had the best training for her job.Working for criminals can rub off on even the nicest of people.
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2006, 05:12:00 PM »
To the mother concerned about her son,

I'm sorry if I offended you earlier.  I did in no way intend to.  You are obviously a very dedicated and loving parent concerned for your son's happiness and future.  

I wish I had an answer for a sincere beneficial program which could help your son but I don't.  I just want you to be aware that places like Elan prey on parents who so desperately care about their children.  It makes me upset to know Diana from admissions could stoop so low to say those things to you. They have no dencency... they have no blood.  All they care about is money and to hell with all those kids in there.  

For someone like your son who genuinly has all these issues... a place like Elan would be the absolute worst place ever as they would mentally abuse him and humiliate him non-stop.

I wish I had a better idea.  I hope you find it.  I just think that institions never care for those admitted as much as the child's own parents.  He seeems quite fragile.  Best of luck and Thank God Elan didn't accept him and that you found this site.
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2006, 02:28:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-03 14:12:00, Tatiana wrote:

"To the mother concerned about her son,



I'm sorry if I offended you earlier.  I did in no way intend to.  You are obviously a very dedicated and loving parent concerned for your son's happiness and future.  



I wish I had an answer for a sincere beneficial program which could help your son but I don't.

...He seeems quite fragile.  Best of luck and Thank God Elan didn't accept him and that you found this site.





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Tatiana,
thank you for your apology - no harm done.  These past months have been worst ever.  I truly love my son more than any human on the planet.  He is without question the hardest person to live with right now, though.  It's not easy to be pleasant when you aren't feeling great about yourself - probably applies to both us actually.  I also remember vividly what it feels like to be 15 and to "feel like a freak on your best day" as my son says.  Thankfully, I fully realize that he is incredibly uncomfortable in his own skin and don't (usually unless I'm tired) take a moral stand on this.  It's simply not a pleasant place to be for any of us - him or me.  It's tough to be diplomatic when your very sanity is being poked with a stick (by life's stuff) daily.

thanks again for the post, Tatiana.  You are a really decent person and you've turned out just fine.  Be easy on yourself today, please.
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2006, 09:13:00 AM »
when i was sent to Elan, i had health issues. they were never addressed nor was there any health care. but, that was 20+ years ago, i do not know of the physical care given now. what i do know, is that my lack of medical help then has caused me life long problems. lyme disease is a difficult auto immune problem that requires genuine medical care.
i honestly do not know enough of the Elan that exists now, but my thought is this:
your child needs help and you know this. if I want you to send your child somewhere please make sure it is a place where you and the child are permitted contact. a place that focuses on the body as well as the mind. a boarding school that you can visit, or where your child is allowed to call you if needed. remove your child from the current environment and the current peer pressure. please avoid any place where communication is denied for months at a time.
auto immune disorders require care. i do not know if Elan is capable or interested in that part. there is no easy answer, it requires a lot of research and as a parent it requires a lot of sacrifice.
i wish you, and your family the best of luck in healing and growing.
please make sure that your child is in a place where medical care is routine, not a place where it is held back as it was in Elan.
good luck, and stay strong for your child.
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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2006, 12:36:25 PM »
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You guys think Elan is bad, yes it is, but not nearly as bad as some of the places you could have gone as an adult if you had not gone there, at least for me anyways. The places for adults are jails, halfway houses, psychiatric facilities, and other institutionalized places (all state-run, not private like Elan) that are such shit holes that they make Elan look like the Ritz Carlton. J

It taught me how to take care of myself, and not to trust too many people because lots of them are assholes and will stab you in the back, and also most important that there are consequences for my actions, so I better not get caught.

 Some of the people on here whining are, like, 40 or something, which is sad because you guys should have moved on by now. Fucking losers.
stop complaining.
You are not oppressed, and if you think you were, go visit a third world country, and you'll see oppressed. Or read a history book- wait that's not such a good idea, because I heard some idiots compared Elan to the Holocaust. I don't want to even comment on that one, get some perspective, people
. If you're still that upset, and you left a good while ago, I want you to find a hobby or go to school or find something to do with your time, because you obviously aren't spending it well. Get lives & stop posting your retarded shit here, because we shouldn't have to feel sorry for you even if you are mired in self-pity for things that happened to you several years ago.
 Some of the shit I dealt with after Elan was way worse than anything I ever dealt with in Elan, and I made it, so why can't you people?


Wow.
FINALLY.
A SANE human being. Sadly, I know this will have fallen on deaf ears. These cry babies have nothing better to do, so they will
whine about how youre wrong.
I'm just glad to know that there are some normal people on this board who actually have lives.
Everything you said was 100% on point. The only thing I might add is that not only are other placements tougher than elan, but REAL LIFE is tougher than elan.
Can you imagine if these babies would have stayed in NORMAL HIGH SCHOOLS?
They would have ended up the trenchcoat mafia because if they couldnt handle the VERY SHELTERED "elan" pressures,
REAL HIGH SCHOOL MIGHT HAVE KILLED THEM.

Jesus.
If they think ELAN was traumatic, its KINDERGARTEN compared to
NORMAL EVERY DAY LIFE.
babies.
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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2006, 01:37:22 PM »
though you make some good points and I believe you are mostly correct. The Elan I went to was not life.However was no comparrison to high school.
I never saw anyone get the shit knocked out of them in high school the way they did in elan. I am 40 something and not "hung up" on anything. we didnt get candy packs,and or day trips. we got our asses kicked pretty regularly. if for no other reason than the staff were just hung over. was a different place in a different time and I dont believe for one minute that the elan I went to could be compared to the elan of the 90's and newer. that was day care in comparrison.
 
I too dealt with shit way harder than Elan. But in no way will i minimize what i went through,or what i saw others endure. If you didnt live it,how could you possibly comment on it ?
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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2006, 03:29:11 PM »
once again there needs to be a distinction between  day care and the elan they were running in the 70s and 80s.yes,, life can be hard, but that doesnt mean it was ok to  beat people in the corner,totally degrade other humans  and  be turned into a automaton. ptsd is  a real issue for alot of  peers of mine,i dont think Anyone got out of old school elan  without some pretty major scars.the women had it worse.this is the result of junkies and convicts trying to do  psyc. adjustments without the training. everything was a crapshoot.im glad that the above poster had such a wonderful experiance there,you dont know how lucky you are
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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2006, 05:28:52 PM »
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I'm the mother of a 15 y/o who will likely be heading to a therapeutic residential school here in MA sometime in the next couple of months.  I've visited Elan and didn't sleep for a week following.  It felt creepy and scary and hardly "therapeutic" as I define the word. What are the alternatives to Elan as you see them.  Which schools do you think might have saved you without permanently "f-ing" you up more than you were when you went?  I'm not trying to be trite or ridiculous.  I'm desperate to save a kid who doesn't believe he's worth saving.

help, please!


what school are you sending your kid to in MA?  Is it IFLE?
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2006, 09:05:35 PM »
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I'm the mother of a 15 y/o who will likely be heading to a therapeutic residential school here in MA sometime in the next couple of months.  I've visited Elan and didn't sleep for a week following.  It felt creepy and scary and hardly "therapeutic" as I define the word. What are the alternatives to Elan as you see them.  Which schools do you think might have saved you without permanently "f-ing" you up more than you were when you went?  I'm not trying to be trite or ridiculous.  I'm desperate to save a kid who doesn't believe he's worth saving.

help, please!


 I didnt believe what you wrote earlier,and I believe you less today.
Who could possibly look for help,in this vile place. I am a parent.If I read some of the rants here,this would be the last place to look for complex  answers to my family problems. Which leads me to believe you are a troll.Exactly what do you take us for? You my dear friend are an attention whore.... Here's a nickle,trow it as far as you can man !
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