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« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2006, 10:26:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-28 01:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Thanks for the easy conversation.

No, thank you! I'm sure it's a whole lot easier for me. There aren't pages and pages of discussion on here about how best to hunt down and kill all the phasers. Really, I think that's largely misattribution.

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Great to hear you are doing well.  I had not thought much about Str8 'till I ran into this site.  Though I often wondered what happened to all those people.

Thanks. So, how'd you come accross this stuff?

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I think I did get my past back in the form of not feeling bad about it anymore.  The time I did 'shrooms and talked about how bad I felt for doing them was B.S., but back then I convinced myself it was a bad time.  Now I know I HAD A BLAST! I guess my point is that the past is what you believe it is.  They took it away for a year or so but I got it back the rest of the time.

Oh, in that sense, yeah. I never lost it. But I had an edge. My family had been in the Seed for 10 years already. The whole thing didn't have the disorienting shock value for me that it did for most of ya'll. But I'm sorry to say, some people never have recovered their past in that sense. I didn't realize it at the time, I thought everbody was just ducking and covering to get through the next year or months just like I was. But, evidently, some people really bought in permanently.

The fucked up thing about that is that, all good intentions aside, it sure seems like more people bought into the "I was a fuckup" aspect of the whole thing than anything about hard work, honesty and living well.  

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The future is ours as well.  I hope I can make better decisions than my parents did because we will have different tools related to our experience.  My parents were not as familiar with what sort of options were out there and we never actually sat and talked like we do now.  They had other parents telling them this was the right thing to do.   And as I said before drug rehab seemed to be a fad back then.  We just ended up in a very weird one.  

Well, not exactly that either. That's what I thought, though, for most of the last 20 years or so. It turns out that Straight, Inc. branched off into public policy under the name Drug Free America Foundation. There's a whole littany of corporate entities tasked w/ insinuation program philosophy into various aspects of public policy. At the same time, there was another branch of the TOUGHLOVE hategroup busy as beavers building another line of teen gulags. Some of them were and are far weirder and more deadly than Straight ever was. Google Larkin Rose are doing and formally challenge those laws. So far, both guys have been required to appear at hearings and answer various kinds of corespondence, but not once has IRS ordered the half dozen tax payors standing nearest them to tackle them to the ground and sit on them till they quit bitchin'.

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You wrote "Now, again, I don't think there are insidious evil bad guys in this story to be identified and shot at dawn. I think the system, the plan, the concept upon which the program is built is more than just a little faulty, it's downright insidious."



I don't understand the use of insidious.  Do you think Str8 is trying to entice us into their way of life?  Well I ain't buyin' what they're sellin' anymore.  I have free will and am not afraid to use it.  Well, within reason.

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Hmm, come to think of it, it was a bad usage. In sort, yes. "The Program" in the form of Drug Free America Foundation, Community Coalitions, to some extend MADD and the TOUGHLOVE parent movement (still alive and... well, strong though they never were 'well') certainly are trying. It's not even a secret backroom plot, just read their mission statements and other public statements. Here's a classic example of Calvina Fay trying (and, thankfully, failing) to bring a misbehaving doctor/professor into line.

Multijurisdictional Counterdrug Task Force Training at St. Pete College. Know how I found that? Well, when I started looking into the Program (like looking for boogiemen under my bed) I found a whole slew of names that were familiar to me from following drug policy. So I started following hunches. This one struck. This organization was set up under the Nixon admin w/ GHW as former (I think) head of CIA as point man.

Honest to God, I really did think Straight must have gone the way of the Seed. I figured they probably still operated somewhat under the table somewhere, but it wasn't like in the old days when judges and cops had kids in the program and there was no escape. If that had been the case when I did go looking, well it would never have been a topic worthy of this much discussion and muck raking. But I was wrong. It's worth discussing. If you think these people and their ideas don't effect you today, check into your kids' DARE program. Not only will you find Betty Sembler, again, in the admin of that organization, but if you poke around asking questions, you'll get the hard eye and, maybe even some more substantial retribution. You KNOW these fuckers don't apreciate constructive criticism.

Anyway, that's my apologia. I don't think there's a way to discuss the Program w/o unsettling some people and shattering some illusions. But these are some dangerous illusions.

Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men's shadows and look at a white woman twice.



--Hearst newspapers nationwide, 1934

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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2006, 06:49:00 PM »
::bump::

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid
of the dark. The real tragedy of life is
when men are afraid of the light.
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2006, 07:12:00 PM »
Mel Riddler, not a name that I've heard in a long long time. Yea, came up from FL on the Mayflower group to VA and Mel ran the program while I was there. As I recall, he was not a sadistic person, but one trying hard to understand his charge and help- all be it, probably misguided. But look who he had as Sr. Staff and execs?? They were not little angles, and I had many disagreements with what they were doing. Got hit, sat on for endless hours where I couldn't feel my arms or legs, spit on, etc etc. Know it happened to a lot of us. However, I was probably one of those folks that needed to be physically and mentally abused for it all to sink in and possibly help. Now, some may think it was brain washing, but its been almost 23 years and things are fine now. I see a lot of posts in this from folks that seem to have never passed beyond the 'terrible' things that happened to them at STR8. Get over it and out of your shit- especially if it was over 20 years ago. Hell, most of you aught to be approaching 35-40 now and should have a life! If you think about it, not a whole lot of folks in life are stuck in your shit, they are moving on with life, as you should.
   I guess now, with three kids of my own, I'm just trying to ensure they don't have to go through what I did in STR8 either in Sarasota or Springfield. Screwed up times in the early '80, but oh, what great and wild times they were. A phase of life that I went through, some good and some completely F---ed up. But, just a phase, no more...
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2006, 07:28:00 PM »
i sold mel a cellular telephone in tysons one time. he looked scared and misplaced.
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2006, 11:02:00 PM »
I read the links and what I come away with is that most of the stuff they have come up w/ is failing. steve cartisano is bankrupt and even the splinter groups he starts up fail. He can't even get a job in the field. This seems approriate.  Yes, a child died but this is no different from any other job where life is involved.  You get to drive the bus 'till you get in a crash.
The other two fighting the IRS and the complaint against the MD are both cases that look like they have not been decided yet.  This is part of the ongoing back and forth on this issue.  Who knows, this fad may change back again later.  Just like the ground swell against the MJ laws in this country.  Many state laws have changed to allow MJ, but federal law trumps.  This is something people were spedings years in jail for possessing 20 years ago.
DARE is a failure, http://civilliberty.about.com/gi/dynami ... FDARE.html and will not be around much longer.
I guess my point is echoed in the earliler comment.  Yeh, Str8 sucked but it worked out for me.  I don't know what would have happened to me if I hadn't gone through but I was not heading in a real successful direction.  Nothing ever fits everyoneand obviously Str8 was not the best place for some, but many survived.
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2006, 02:01:00 AM »
What do you think has caused Steve Cartisano's austensible failure? People like you saying fuck it, I survived? Or people who are raising hell about these things?

And, btw, you're probably wrong about Steve. He's on the lamb, last I heard. So are the Roaches, after having been shut down in the Czech Republic for torture and human rights abuses. For all we know, they've got their little Jim Jones camp somewhere down in Nicaragua or something. Bear in mind that Steve and Ollie North were buds back in the day, just like Mel and the Büsh boys.

Dare is not going away either. They've just redesigned, cloned out under new names and onward the Straightlings march. For the first time, we're finally starting to see some serious incredulity toward TOUGHLOVE and the drug war. Neither are the Area Drug Taskforces, unless we demand a logical, objective dialog on what they're not accomplishing and the damage they're doing in the process.

Psycho6, I flatly reject the notion that a little beating and torture were good for you. I'm fine too, after all these years. But a good many of us are really not fine. But my old druggie friends who didn't get "treatment"? They all seem to be doing alright.

When you say you're trying to keep your kids from going through it, what do you mean? You mean you'd actually put your own kids through that? What would prompt you to do something like that?



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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2006, 02:45:00 AM »
Hence the name "Psycho6". Sounds like your just fine alright, heh. Maybe they hit you one too many times. Or maybe you hit/abused others, and this is how you justify it.
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2006, 01:38:00 PM »
Psycho6 et al, you may want to look at this site:
http://www.kathymoya.com/FICA/index.html

Some of you will probably recognize the author of it. She also sat there in those chairs with ya'll. If you think the toughlove hategroup has just fallen apart due to obvious mental incontinence, you're sadly mistaken. In fact, the troubled parent industry is a billion dollar industry in this country today.

Here's a very interesting topic that makes the point.

Another WWASP death . Note especially the tone and illogical arguments coming out of the Program supporters in this thread. Sound familiar?

A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say at the age of eighteen.
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2006, 08:44:00 AM »
What is the solution?
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2006, 11:19:00 AM »
Rampant talking out in group.

The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
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« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2006, 06:29:00 PM »
Hey Eudora,
   Wanna pick up some of this conversation on a PM? I'll try.
B.
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« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2006, 06:43:00 AM »
i think everyone here has said a lot of good stuff.i don't believe pycho6 means he's place his kids in a straight like place.....i think he means the same thing i mean when i lecture my daughter on drugs .....some of us forget that the courts can hump the shit out of kids and its out of the kids parents hands.....all a kid today has to do is be found with a fucking beer in his or her hand and it's "bend over time"! i know i don't want that for my kid.....as far as staff went....i think some got off on the power trip that straight gave them....i think some wanted to get away from the treatment of being a phaser but found out that they were way way more scrutinised than when they were on thier phases and by the very ppl they were most afraid of! some really had the best intentions to help and give back....
joey glaze was a complete asshole...he should've never been in a position of authority! neither should jim sailor or dean minstretta have been in that position either....honestly,i wish i had been in virginia most if not all of my time in straight......i was only in virginia for a very short time....maybe 2-3 months.....all the rest of my time in that place were in st.pete....st.pete was very hard on me and the original virginia staff were mostly my druggie friends! after i was started over on 5th phase{for nothing},i think the staff in virginia felt bad about it and just wanted to see me finish......when my start over was going on,they were all on thier phases in pre-training to be staff or on trainee and were powerless to defend me.....i.e.>scared to get a humping for sticking up for me.by the time i finally finished in there,the damage to me was a done deal....i just didn't know it for a long long time!i defied that place in everyway i could without being kicked out!my coming in with long hair,army jackets and tye dyes etc was my way of sticking it to them....
my way of protesting the place.i stayed sober because i wanted to,not because i was completly afraid i'd be put back in......and if i had done drugs or screwed up,i wouldn't have been able to
go in and show everyone that was still in there that once you finished,you could still do the things they said you couldn't ever do!looking back,its hard to believe i got away with that....i guess my druggie friends {staff} were silently behind me,cheering me on.....no one but leslie murden ever tried to keep me from coming into group.when she did,i just laughed at her and went in anyways.....things under mel riddle were a start towards a less harsh straight.if miller newton had still been in charge or better yet,if i had tried that kind of shit in st.pete under miller,i might have been FORCED BACK IN FOR A REFRESHER........i'm sure of that.....still straight is straight....it sucked no matter how it was run......hippie
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