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« Reply #75 on: April 05, 2006, 10:25:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-05 19:10:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#180514



Any comments on the posting with the big bold print?



Program Penguin, owner, or again slightly perverse troll?



It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was
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There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to
govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be
masters.

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no comment other than they seem to have you pegged, especially the part about your rising from the pile of your family there, Mikey.
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« Reply #76 on: April 05, 2006, 10:42:00 PM »
Shut up, Mel.
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« Reply #77 on: April 05, 2006, 11:05:00 PM »
This thread is turning into a... river of shit. :em:
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« Reply #78 on: April 05, 2006, 11:57:00 PM »
Would you rather shit a river?
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« Reply #79 on: April 06, 2006, 02:49:00 AM »
to everyone.....three springs waygookin straight did 100's if not thousands of horrible things to ppl in there.there are at least 40+ suisides,not to metion suiside attempts...geez there have to be 100"s of those....i was one of them.i saw shit in there,and i was there for almost all but maybe a few months of miller newton's riegn at straight.
what other stuff?does it really matter? you weren't even in straight.just believe me that this was no "country club"....oh,it was in st.pete florida,but we hardly got to see any of it.....the physical abuse was bad enough,but the MENTAL ABUSE? it was way worse.....way worse than you or anyone can imagine that wasn't in there.we were mostly made up of kids....KIDS !!! 12- 17...
it was supposed to be a "6 month" program,but i nor anyone else saw anyone get out in 6 months!
oh,there were a few that managed 7 - 12 months,but they were a rarity and almost all of them became staff members! i was in there for 28 1/2 months!that was an average to above average stay in straight.the average being around 15-20 months! hardly a 6 month treatment program they told you when you were tricked in there!it wasn't till you sat down that you realised that "signing yourself out after 14 days" was bullshit,the supposed "6 months" was too.....then you went home with complete strangers and heard how long everyone you went home with had been there.after a while the abuse and mental torture became normal
to you! normal? yes,normal.sexual abuse? yes i believe there were cases of it....did i see any of it? no....but there was a time when another newcomer tried to make a pass at me.....i clocked him in the adams apple and went back to sleep.did i report it?no....i just wanted to finish my stay there and go on with my life.this is the first time i ever mentioned this to ppl......do i believe richard's story? i don't know.i don't know him,but i have to admit,he did tell the whole fucking world about it.there could be some truth to it.....then again it could be sensationalism too.....
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« Reply #80 on: April 06, 2006, 03:22:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-05 19:39:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"You still miss the point. No where in this thread have I mentioned Maia's book. I merely have raised the specter of possiblities of various forms of abuse. Should I ever endevour to want to debate the material from the book I will go buy it, and read it.



Until the day where I sit down and read the book from cover to cover absolutely everything out of it is completely nonapplicable to what I have been asking.Nice job on the post though, perhaps when I take the time to read her book I will then take the time to consider the full magnitude of your position.



Still do you care to add to the spirit of the question?



Did you witness any foul play or back door shennanigans whilst trapped in the dreadful claws of the beast named Straight?

Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
-- Emo Phillips

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I was in full agreement that abuse is possible in any 'realm' or 'spirit'. This is a question that was asked in the original post. Maia recognizes abuse as a whole with boot camps, of that her book is certain. She does a great job talking about boot camp abuse. And so you are not partaking in the spirit of the original post.
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« Reply #81 on: April 06, 2006, 03:25:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-05 19:10:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#180514



Any comments on the posting with the big bold print?



Program Penguin, owner, or again slightly perverse troll?



It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was
made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions.
There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to
govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be
masters.

--Daniel Webster

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What I think is that you're just being a puss troll. So if you got some shit you'd like to meet in person about and work out your frustrations, I'd let my family fight your broken and busted out family of losers and devil worshippers anyday. Name the time and place and pay for my ticket and we can arrange it. You want to keep instigating me with your bullshit? Your next words, Waygookin, will be more of "you missed the spirit of the conversation, penguins" or lame insults or that meeting is not worth your time.
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« Reply #82 on: April 06, 2006, 08:16:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-06 00:51:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Of course I will not entertain the notion of meeting you in person. One would hardly find it very productive to roll about in the dirt like a couple of school yard rag a muffins. Seriously though if it makes you feel any better the slight regarding my new term for treatment zombies as penguins was quite stinging.



Does anyone have any clue as to why chaps who clearly have a firm grasp of the English language fumble after a few pass completions and resort to asking you to fight in public?



Me thinks it may be some sort of inferiority complex regarding the ability to appropriately communicate complex terms. This definite lack would take into consideration to the cave man like regression to the beating and gruntings upon the posters chest.



Me.... Squawky the Caveman Penguin!!



Me ....beat your ass with volume a through z of the encloypedia britanica.



Me.... eat all your mackrel!!



Dear lord my good man shake loose of the bounds of your own self imposed hell! Don't allow yourself to be lulled into a line of crapping, squawking penguins like the rest of those poor sad blighters.



Onto the poster above Squawky the Caveman penguin if you notice I have never once participated in the original spirt of the thread. I have not read Maia's book so I am in no position to comment up on. Though it does seem to me in essence we are both coming from roughly the same set of premises.



1) Abuse of sexual or physical nature is wrong in a program.



2) Abuse more than likely happened in Straight program.





I am not looking to collect money or punish anyone for their involvement with straight. I'm looking to change this mutherfucking world.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=9014&forum=7&Sort=D#93452' target='_new'>Reagan Youth

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See, I told you that's what you'd say. You're just trolling and posing to be me, repeating shit I already said. That's cool.
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« Reply #83 on: April 06, 2006, 08:53:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-05 19:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

Maia is clearly a good writer, she did herself a disservice by incorporating a liar like Richard Bradbury into her book; certainly she used him and he used her and its win/win, but it adds no credibility to her work by writing out his lies and bullshit.

What lies?


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Can it be proven that he B&E'd?

Yeah, I think it can.  When was that, around '93?

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Can it be proven that the sexual molestation of most of the girls in Straight by 'some' female staff members happened specifically while Ray was a staff member?


I was just out when Richard was staff.  Yes, this happened.  I'm sure you won't believe me, but that's your call.  The staff member living at my house (even after I had run) told me about it and she was personally involved in it.
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« Reply #84 on: April 06, 2006, 08:55:00 AM »
Point of clarification.  I don't know for sure if this was done *to break them*.  I always thought it was just because they were lonely and horny.
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« Reply #85 on: April 06, 2006, 10:43:00 AM »
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Occam's razor would most likely apply in this particular case.

Most likely, but not necessarily. If we examine the "in the mind of a bad girl" thread on this forum, we will see that the supposition of horniness would not always be a stretch.... whatever.
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« Reply #86 on: April 06, 2006, 10:51:00 AM »
I'll bet that you haven't read the thread that I bumped for you, have you?
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« Reply #87 on: April 06, 2006, 10:55:00 AM »
Please do, I'm sure you will find it somewhat enlightening. Take it easy, everything will be ok... :grin:
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« Reply #88 on: April 06, 2006, 11:14:00 AM »
Cheers! ::cheers::

What time is it there? You're making me want to start drinking and it's only 11AM here..
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« Reply #89 on: April 06, 2006, 11:17:00 AM »
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On 2006-04-06 05:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Point of clarification.  I don't know for sure if this was done *to break them*.  I always thought it was just because they were lonely and horny."


Let's really turn a conversation about quoted material from Maia's new book into a completely different conversation. Fuck razors and 'what ifs'. Book states that Ray was told by female staffs that they were specifically molesting female patients in order to break them. I am telling you that's what it fucking says, what do I have to gain by stating it falsely: NOthing Maia is a good fucking writer even if she's plagued by a dickmuncher like Raybury. And yeah, I am a fuckin control freak ... I live here all the time and I run my world you live in.
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