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« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2006, 02:03:00 PM »
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What is your kid's DSM diagnosis for which s/he "required" WT?  Who performed the psychometric testing?  Who recommended WT?"




A community mental hospital recommended Second Nature because the staff psychiatrist thought SNWP was a better choice. A psychologist named Corelli administered the following (in the field at SNWP):

Clinical Interview
Review of Information provided by the family
Adolescent History Form
WAIS-III
WIAT-II
MMPI-A
MACI
Rorschach Inkblot test
Beck Depression Inventory-II
TASC
SASSI-A

If you need me to elaborate on each test I will.  Oh, I forgot, you're a MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.

Not that it is your business but our kid suffers from Generalized Anxiety Disorder and the time in the Wilderness was perfect for that.
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« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2006, 02:06:00 PM »
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Not that it is your business but our kid suffers from Generalized Anxiety Disorder and the time in the Wilderness was perfect for that.


Whoever told you this is a quack.
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« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2006, 02:08:00 PM »
***All I'm saying is that if worked for you it is reducible to chance or luck.

I'm sure isolation, deprevation, fear, had some to do with it.
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« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2006, 02:09:00 PM »
This is precisely why nobody ever wants to answer you DJ.  You act like you care and then hurl insults.  If you are so good with teens and families I hope you'll post your office phone number and address so that our family can make good use of a MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL such as yourself.  A professional does not hurl insults to people in pain.
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« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2006, 02:13:00 PM »
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I'm sure isolation, deprevation, fear, had some to do with it."


SHE loved it!  And never experienced any of those things.  Her absolutely favorite times were the solos.  She felt confident that her parents were not deliberately putting her in harm's way.  Also, she went willingly to the program and even turned 18 while she was there.  So, find someone else to agree with you.  People ask for info and all I can do is give them the info I've got.
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« Reply #50 on: March 22, 2006, 02:16:00 PM »
Are you still in pain?

Define psychoeducation
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wilderness realism
 
Need you be reminded that you are here by your own choice, and can leave by your own choice?
Anyone who is in 'pain' should be looking for support at ST.
I think you have another agenda.
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« Reply #51 on: March 22, 2006, 02:17:00 PM »
I'm not in pain but lots of others that come here are.  People get whacked off this forum daily just for being honest.  The cynicism here is abhorent.
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« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2006, 02:18:00 PM »
What is ST?
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« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2006, 02:18:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-22 11:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is precisely why nobody ever wants to answer you DJ.  You act like you care and then hurl insults.  If you are so good with teens and families I hope you'll post your office phone number and address so that our family can make good use of a MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL such as yourself.  A professional does not hurl insults to people in pain."


1.  I never insulted anyone, but you have insulted me numerous times.

2.  You said you were not in pain and that your problem was solved.  Which is it?

3.  There is absolutely not a shred of evidence to suggest that WT is an effective tx for GAD.  In fact, it is contraindicative to proven tx's.
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« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2006, 02:24:00 PM »
So, are you going to post your location so that we can get some proper treatment?  Or, would you mind listing some therapists that you personally would recommend so that another "quack" won't send a kid to WT?  We were lucky.  We didn't know she had GAD until the test was administered.  That wasn't the reason we sent her there.  Again, she liked it.
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« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2006, 02:25:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-22 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'm not in pain but lots of others that come here are.  People get whacked off this forum daily just for being honest.  The cynicism here is abhorent."


Get whacked off?

Psychoeducation?

Wilderness realism?
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« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2006, 02:28:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-22 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So, are you going to post your location so that we can get some proper treatment?  Or, would you mind listing some therapists that you personally would recommend so that another "quack" won't send a kid to WT?  We were lucky.  We didn't know she had GAD until the test was administered.  That wasn't the reason we sent her there.  Again, she liked it.  "


So, what WAS the reason you "sent" her there (doesn't sound voluntary)?
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« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2006, 02:35:00 PM »
She had dropped out of school, had nowhere to go during the day, the out-patient community mental hospital told all three of us it would be good and she had had very positive experiences at Outward Bound. She thought it sounded better than her other options (working in the bakery, for example.)She wanted to get out of here, get away from the drug/punk scene and hopefully gain some insight.  All of that happened.  She's now in college very close to home and doing fine.
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« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2006, 02:40:00 PM »
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I think you have another agenda."


Everyone here has an agenda.
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« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2006, 02:46:00 PM »
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She had dropped out of school, had nowhere to go during the day...

So, basically, she had no diagnosable mental illness that required placement outside the home.  Really, she was bored and had no structure.  Maybe she was a bit shiftless as well.

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She's now in college very close to home and doing fine.


Of course, it's no surprise that she's doing well now, because there wasn't much "wrong" with her in the first place.  How do you credit WT for solving a non-existent problem?  I mean, if her other choice was going to be getting a job, how do you feel WT was needed?
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