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« on: February 28, 2006, 07:06:00 PM »
I was disappointed in Maia's book Help At Any Cost.  

It seemed to me to be the same old people telling the same old stories.  

Don't get in a huff because of my opinion, because that is what it is, my opinion.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2006, 07:25:00 PM »
Well, I think that a great majority of testimony from these schools is going to be similar, since most of the kids were all treated the same way: badly.

But I'm assuming you are talking about specific testimony from specific individuals. I'm assuming that Maia chose to focus on the cases that were brought to trial, which will most likely be the ones we have all heard about and will be higher profile, as opposed to everyone else who corroborated these experiences. She mentions in her book that she interviewed and spoke with many many survivors, and that the deaths which happened at these places were much more numerous than the ones she specifically chose to focus on. She can't exactly include everyone. That book would be massive.

I can only speculate on what her choices were for telling the stories of certain people, though, and my guess would be that she chose the high-profile ones that went to court.
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2006, 07:26:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-28 16:06:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I was disappointed in Maia's book Help At Any Cost.  



It seemed to me to be the same old people telling the same old stories.  



Don't get in a huff because of my opinion, because that is what it is, my opinion.

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To us, yes. But to the majority of the marketplace, these will be new stories, and equally horrifying.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2006, 07:31:00 PM »
Point well made....but...could be taken that the problems or incidences are more isolated than they are.
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2006, 07:45:00 PM »
Perhaps you are familiar with the stories b/c you've been involved with the industry for a long while.

 Keep in mind, Most American's have never heard Any of these stories. Try and read it from the perspective of someone just discovering all this - from the perspective of the parent of a troubled teen, considering their options.

As for the well known stories - I too am familiar with most of them. Even so, in every case I learned something - and in some cases there were many details I had never known before. I felt Maia did a most excellent job of telling these heart breaking stories.

There are many other stories that could be told. Maia says as much. But a book has to be of a manageable length. To hefty, and people won't want to try and read it. It would appear to daunting. She had to pick and choose. I feel she did a very good job of picking the accounts that best illustrate the problems found in this industry; as well as, explaining how to make a good valid and helpful decision for any teen who might be having problems.

I was pleased she made mention of the difficulties facing families with mentally ill children. She has a good grasp on the issue - and the mentally ill desperately need knowledgeable advocates.

What is it you were hoping for?
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2006, 07:49:00 PM »
I think Shouting at the Sky and What it Takes to Get Me Through are much more compelling to someone looking for a program to help their teen.  
Her book DOES concern a few isolated incidents, that's why it will be taken that way.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2006, 07:58:00 PM »
I don't see it so much as the telling of isolated cases - as the telling of individual accounts that illustrate an overwhelming problem.

She may have focused on Aaron Bacon for example - but it was clear he was by no means the only such death.

And the situation with Straight & KIDs - I think it was clear that what Lulu and Bradbury experienced was the common experience of countless other kids.

Do you not think so?
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2006, 08:20:00 PM »
I was hoping to hear from the multitudes.  We keep hearing that the problem is systemic and I was hoping to hear from the masses.  If the problem is widespread, then it would have beneficial to tell it that way. Instead, it was the same people telling the same story and claming the problems are prevalent.

I know that only so much can be covered in a book...however, if we had evidence, in this case others that we have not heard from speaking out, then maybe it would be a start or another resource that supports the idea that the abuse happens to everyone in one of these programs instead of just the few. I think most people will believe that what happened to Lulu was horrific but I don't think they will walk away thinking all of the kids in the program are or were abused.  

I think people will pick up the book and read the two or three stories in it and go "oh my gosh how horrible".  That is it, no more, no less.  I don't think they will walk away with an understanding of how widespread the problem is.
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2006, 09:21:00 PM »
agreed.. well said.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2006, 09:32:00 PM »
///I was hoping to hear from the multitudes.///

Ahhh - But thats what Fornits is for! :wink:
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2006, 09:56:00 PM »
Wrong again....we don't know that there are multitudes posting on Fornits...to know there are multitudes we would need to know names, real people...not anon and not made up identities....

It takes people standing up and speaking for themselves, it takes the testimonies of real people.  

I am not putting fornits down, I am saying it is going to take standing up and being counted to make the impact that the problem is systemic.
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2006, 09:58:00 PM »
"Help at any Cost" serves exactly the purpose it should serve.  Why get down on anyone or anything that is serving your cause?  Wake up!  It is parents, not survivors, that need to be reached - we are the ones in panic decision mode, we are the ones , making these placement decisions, these "therapeutic" decisions, and, and  WE NEED INFORMATION!.  We need someone other than an "educational consultant" to turn to.  I have already made the mistake with my son - I made a very bad choice, a choice based upon the information I had at hand.  I hired a "professional" ( I now know that ed cons are really not professionals at all by other standards).  I read, I googled, but now I know, I needed to google all the way to the bitter end.  I did my due diligence in the best way I knew how, and it was not nearly enough.  I only wish this book had been available to me two years ago.  It explains this teen rehab industry fully, in a way, perhaps, that parents only can understand.  And if I had read but one chapter of this book two years ago, if just one website like this, or isaccorp, had popped up, in my initial searches, my decision would have been so different, and my son would have never been abused.
I understand fully that as survivors you are in rage and in pain.  But the best and only way to effect change for other kids, is to reach parents.  You have your stories and they are more than valid - my son has his story, and it is an injury to our entire family.  The cause at hand is to educate parents on a national basis - in doing that, other kids will be protected.  I have financial resources, I have connections to the mainstream media, and I have cause to act.  Get together; take action.  There are parents there, like me, ready to take on the cause.  My reasonmay be selfish....this is for Sam...but it is also for you.
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2006, 10:23:00 PM »
///I am saying it is going to take standing up and being counted to make the impact that the problem is systemic. ///

Then why are you posting from under a bag?
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2006, 11:43:00 PM »
Personally I thought the book was great ... just was surprised she didn't have a list of the known deaths (from restraint, seclusion, suicide, dehydration, etc) to give people a better idea of just how many lives have been lost. The info on Straights and Kids was very thorough.  Thought she could have done a better job on WWASPS with more up to date cases and focus on TB which in spite of years of allegations of abuse is still operating.  Also thought her recommendations for alternatives was excellent.  It's an important book and I think as she makes the talk show and radio circuit, the word will spread.

FYI ... Maia will be appearing on the Rachel Maddow show on Air America tomorrow morning at around 8:30am Eastern to discuss tough love programs, their political connections and the recent death of a 14-year-old boy in a boot camp.
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2006, 01:39:00 AM »
There's a list of deaths at http://www.caica.org (here's the link):
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Deaths%20Main.htm
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