what if it was even worse than we thought

[Anonymous]

Are you fuckin' kiddin' Frankie Bones?? ::

[Anonymous]

Dragonfly is a bitch....... :flame:

[dragonfly]

[starry-eyed pirate]

On 2006-02-23 21:51:00, Frank Discussion wrote:

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Ok...as well as an unruly kid I too was an idealist who believed in something like that.....the individual vs. the state... Punk rock. If you believe in God in you that is certainly your business! Social revolutionary? Well sure, if you want to call yourself that I won't argue with you."

O.K. well yeah maybe I'm only elements thrown together in some way, not some social revolutionary.  I would actually have to calm down a minute and admit that I talk some shit.

Not that I am changing my argument at all, just that I'd talk a little less shit.   :rofl:  :rofl:  :grin:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-25 06:18:00, Eudora wrote:

 Remember W. on the campaign trail gushing over the nifty bar code scanner at the supermarket? These people couldn't pick their own noses w/o our help.

That was W.'s daddy, Ginger, not W.   HE's done lotsa other stuff to prove how out of touch with reality he is, but the bar code scanner awe incident was not one of them.  And while I'm here, does anybody else think that the recent preoccupation with Cheney's hunting accident was kind of a smokescreen to keep attention away from other issues?

[starry-eyed pirate]

Like...The government just wants ever'one on the rez.  Native American culture not allowed!  Natives not allowed!  Of course if you were raised up 'round here then your a native.

The natives who had some serious transcendental shit goin' down with their whole way of communin' with nature, or shit! they didn't even have to "commune".  The very way these people experienced life  was a phenomonal threat to the mostly authoritarian Judeo-Christian belief system of that time(or now).  The Natives were nearly killed off and the survivors ruthlessly dispossessed.

The gov't learned how to improve their techniques of control and oppression from returning Korean War P.O.W.s who taught the CIA about mind control to keep ever'body on the reservation.  Like an invisible prison around your mind.  The existence of $tr8 is part of an already established historical pattern of oppression and social control.

The most threatenin' kids are given the hardest wash.(by the system in general)

[Antigen]

On 2006-02-26 10:04:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:

The gov't learned how to improve their techniques of control and oppression from returning Korean War P.O.W.s who taught the CIA about mind control to keep ever'body on the reservation. Like an invisible prison around your mind. The existence of $tr8 is part of an already established historical pattern of oppression and social control.

The most threatenin' kids are given the hardest wash.(by the system in general)

Well, I think they think they've mastered the techniques. I think they're mistaken. I think they're playing w/ dark magics way above their grade. We're just some of the blowback. I think these same insane generals and busy bodies probably have pissed the same kind of piss in a lot of other faces. No tellin' what the unintended consequences may be.

Pirate, I just want you to consider the possability that your "radical" thoughts and impulses may not be so radical after all; that you're not anything like alone in that regard, probably in the majority. Even though they're well trained like obedient dogs to focus on our differences (we all are, to some degree) we have more in common philosophy wise w/ them damned Marines and those keystone kops that they or the powers that be would like to think about.

Fight em if you have to, but only if you can't turn em.

That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.
--Thomas Henry Huxley, English biologist

[dragonfly]

[Anonymous]

Fight em if you have to, but only if you can't turn em.

Yeah.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-26 14:40:00, dragonfly wrote:





Fuckin' A Billy

Fuck NA Billy, fuck NA.  How many times do I have to tell you, FUCK NA??!!!!???

My Munchkin's Hungry!!!!!

"

Of course he is.  He hasn't been layed in a while....

[Antigen]

On 2006-02-26 14:40:00, dragonfly wrote:


but brainwahing might be a functional thing if it were sustainable and enough folks reproduced healthily within that trance.

I believe it is. The god of nature and physics has smiled upon the ability and inclination to enter a Why I Live at the PO[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-02-26 19:15 ]

[dragonfly]

[teachback]

I clicked on my name and it wouldn't let me come back to the thread?

It opened a new window.

[Antigen]

On 2006-02-27 05:09:00, dragonfly wrote:

"Well, sounds like you are saying what my zen teacher said, which is why I decided she was crazy, she said there is not much difference between spiritual practice and brainwashing yourself, I posed the question though.



Sounds like you are saying the same thing.



We are half asleep in our lives, use it to our advantage, brainwash ourselves and our children in a healthy life affirming way, because one way or another we are going to take part in that human trip, might as well program our children to question authority, truly experience thier emotions and consider the effects of thier actions.



Please expound.....

Well, yeah, something like that. I ... believe? Not the way I believe the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. But I take it as probably true, certainly plausible that we all exist in a state of consensus trance (as described at Cantrip.org) We take in a whole lot more information every second than we can possibly pay attention to, and even that is only a small fraction of what's there to be had. So we pick and choose what's worthy of attention, how it fits into our perceptions of reality and what we'll make of it. As long as that works it works. When it doesn't work, when there's something going on that commands attention but doesn't fit our own personal and/or shared story lines, the trance breaks just a little and we (hopefully) rewrite our own rules, filters and responses.

It's normal, natural, even healthy to do this ourselves, to influence each other trances and just enjoy the ride. Life is but a dream, in a very literal sense, I think.

It's something different when sanctimonious assholes try to make a science of the art. They do it without that vital element of voluntarily suspended disbelief. That's brainwashing, thought reform, mind control. It's the difference between love, sex, flirting and all the good stuff and rape.

What did you do that you should have done long ago Antigen? I clicked on my name and it wouldn't let me come back to the thread? "

I put your quote into the database w/ attribution to dragonfly. http://fornits.com/quotes.php?munchkin

There now. I just changed the attribution to the original post instead of your profile.

With soap, baptism is a good thing.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-22 09:37:00, Withdraw wrote:

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On 2006-02-22 04:36:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Liars, lots of liars on this thread. People who are not actually Straight survivors/people who pretend they were Straight survivors but it is a known fact that they have an agenda here."

Me? An agenda? I don't have that much time....Never in Straight, me? Newp, I was there...



~~~My point was.. I think places like Straight are created to suppress free thinkers and maybe even to ~study them. Do I think the goverment knew of me personally? Newp, but they sure set up places and propaganda which led my family right to the doors of Straight. Propaganda strictly designed to catch and cage people just like me.



~Pro-Straight Anon- Good, I'm happy someone was helped. I'd hate to think Straight was created just to torture me........ So who was it that helped you adjust? Because I sure as hell never got any re-adjustment skills..... Perhaps they only offer that to staff...... It was never offered to any client that I am aware of.[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-22 09:37 ]"

You belong on a different thread.