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« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2006, 09:03:00 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2006, 09:34:00 PM »
Wonder what the paramedics who arrived on scene thought of the condition of Martin?
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« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2006, 09:43:00 PM »
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13898115.htm

......In a report released Thursday, the Bay County Medical Examiner condluded that Martin Lee Anderson, the 14-year-old boy who died after an altercation with guards while in state custody, was killed by complications of sickle cell trait.
But the autopsy report showed none of the signs associated with such a death, a professor at Harvard Medical School said Friday.

''That report is not plausible at all,'' said Dr. Kenneth Bridges, the former director of the Center for Sickle Cell and Thalassemic Disorders in Boston, who reviewed the report at The Herald's request.

Sickle cell trait is not considered a disease. About eight percent of African-Americans have the trait, and the vast majority live their lives without any symptoms. In rare cases, though, the trait may contribute to sudden death caused by extremely vigorous exercise coupled with dehydration.

But the autopsy report of a patient who died in that way would look different than the report on Anderson, Bridges said.

''The problem that leads to death in these individuals is the breakdown of muscle, so when you look at the muscle tissue you see the release of stuff out of the muscle tissue,'' he said. ``He had no evidence of that.''

The muscles of someone who died that way would look swollen and bright red, Bridges said. The condition could also cause kidney failure. The autopsy report said that the muscles of the neck looked normal. It did not indicate a change in muscle appearance or the onset of kidney failure.

The report did note that several organs were congested with sickle-shaped cells. Bridges said that demonstrated that Anderson had sickle cell trait, but did not indicate that the trait had caused his death.

''The presence of the sickle cells occurs in people with sickle trait when they die under any circumstances,'' he said...........
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« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2006, 01:50:00 AM »
CNN sued to get the video released. They have the clearest image I've seen, but heavily edited it.


Posted on Fri, Feb. 17, 2006
Florida officials release video of boot camp beating
BY CAROL MARBIN MILLER, MARY ELLEN KLAS AND GARY FINEOUT
Knight Ridder Newspapers
PANAMA CITY, Fla. - Five military-style officers hold Martin Lee Anderson as one of them knees him violently in the back of the legs. The teen collapses into a heap on the dirt, where a guard twists his wrist as another grabs at his neck.

Thus it went during some of the last moments of the youth's life: punched in the arms with fists at least 14 times, kneed or kicked repeatedly, subjected to painful wrist locks, smashed and squeezed for at least 90 seconds into a pole, and apparently choked.

A nurse, hands on hips, watches but stays out of the fray for more than 20 minutes.

Through it all, the 140-pound boy remains limp. He doesn't appear to resist. His only movements: his legs writhe while officers spend long moments on top of him.

Martin's final moments at the Bay Boot Camp, contained on a grainy 30-minute videotape, were played on televisions throughout the nation Friday after state investigators released the video in settlement of a public records lawsuit filed by The Miami Herald and CNN.

For more than a month, his mother pleaded with authorities to show her what happened to her son. But when Gina Jones saw the video for the first time Friday, she had to turn away.
``I can't even watch the whole tape,'' she said. ``Martin didn't deserve this right here, at all. ... I knew my baby was in pain and I'm in pain just looking at the tape.
``Martin didn't even have a chance.''
Said Robert Anderson, the teen's father: "Why did they choke my son, beat him, kick him, put their knees all in his back? He was trying to do what they told him to do.''

As they had most of the past month, officials at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which is spearheading a criminal investigation, declined to discuss the case. ``The state's criminal investigation remains active,'' Tim Ring, FDLE's regional director in Pensacola, said.

Bay County Sheriff Frank McKeithen, whose office runs the boot camp for the Department of Juvenile Justice, refused to answer questions about the tape or a controversial autopsy report released Thursday. He read a statement saying the autopsy -which says Martin died of ``natural causes'' - does not ``change the seriousness, complexity or complications of this unfortunate incident.''

``The viewing of this video will result in many questions, concerns and accusations,'' he said. ``We, at no time, have indicated that we believe this incident was handled correctly. As a result of these concerns, several procedural changes have already occurred.''

McKeithen, criticized by black legislators who say he is showing more concern for protecting the actions of boot camp officials than for Anderson's family, refused to answer questions about what changes he has implemented.

His office released a memo, dated Jan. 6, ordering boot camp officials to ``immediately stop the use of'' ammonia capsules - apparently used in the incident with Martin - ``for any purpose other than emergency situations, such as attempting to revive a person who has obviously passed out.''

Camp guards were allowed to use ``chemical agents'' and ``deadly force'' to subdue teens. No more. The sheriff's office also released a memo, written a week after Martin's death, forbidding the use of ``knee strikes and hammer strikes,'' referring to the punches to the arm seen several times on the video, ``unless it is for self-defense.''

On Thursday, Bay County Chief Medical Examiner Charles F. Siebert Jr. released an autopsy report saying Martin died of ``natural causes'' - the result of severe internal bleeding and respiratory distress caused by sickle cell trait, a blood disorder that affects about one in 12 African-Americans.

The report has outraged African-American leaders throughout Florida and the United States who say they suspect Bay County officials of a racist cover-up and accuse boot camp officers of murder.
In a letter to the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Civil Rights - which announced Thursday it was commencing an investigation into Martin's death - the Southern Christian Leadership Conference asked federal authorities to look into whether any youths were safe at Florida's military-style youth lockups.

``It is imperative that the federal government assure the citizens of Florida that our correctional institutions are not places that are high-risk and life-threatening,'' wrote Sevell C. Brown, the group's state president.

Florida's black state lawmakers sent a letter to Gov. Jeb Bush on Friday calling for the ARREST OF THE GUARDS, the appointment of a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR and a NEW CORONER to perform an autopsy.

The letter also questions WHY MARTIN'S BODY WAS ALLOWED TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM PENSACOLA - where he died in a hospital - BACK TO PANAMA CITY FOR THE AUTOPSY.

Bush said such calls are premature. ``I don't believe we should shut down every boot camp because there's this one tragic incident,'' he said.

A basketball player and one-time honor roll student, Martin was sentenced to the boot camp after he violated probation on a grand theft charge. The theft: He went joyriding with relatives in his grandmother's car during a Sunday church service and wrecked the car.

The video, taken by a camp security camera, opens with Martin pushed up against a pole or tree trunk, five uniformed drill instructors surrounding him. One of the officers seems to be pressing much of his body weight against the motionless youth.

Suddenly, one of the officers thrusts his knee into the back of Martin's legs, and the teen collapses to the ground. One officer has his arm in a wristlock; another appears to have his hand around his throat.

At one point, an officer loses his wide-brimmed field hat, and another carefully replaces it on his head.

The restraint on the ground lasts about 90 seconds. The officers try to lift Martin off the ground, but he falls to his knees.

Moments later, Martin is placed on the ground, face-down. Three officers are holding him, while four others watch. An officer punches his arm with a hammer-type fist.

Four officers then lift his flaccid body off the ground. Once again, he falls to the dirt. He lies for several seconds motionless on his back. His legs writhe.

Again, four officers lift him. Again he falls. Again they drag him to his feet, but his legs wobble. As one officer appears to hold his hands on Martin's face, another punches the teen nine or 10 times on his forearm.

In one of the most violent moments, as the officers hold Martin upright, one of them appears to knee him in the back. His body jerks upwards, his head whiplashes and his heels leave the ground.

The officers' ``restraint'' techniques - as officials have called them - appear to last between 20 and 30 minutes.

Near the end, a white-frocked nurse, Kristin Schmidt, finally leans over the teen and removes her stethoscope from her neck. She attends to Martin for several minutes before an ambulance arrives and removes the youth on a stretcher.
State Rep. Gus Barreiro, a Miami Beach Republican whose first viewing of the tape last week added fire to the controversy, said upon seeing it again Friday that the tape still makes him scream at his television screen.
``I keep yelling, `Stop! Don't punch him anymore. He's not moving.'''
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« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2006, 02:24:00 AM »
After viewing the video, medical examiner Charles Siebert said he did not consider the restraint measures used to be excessive.
"None of the physical contact I observed could have caused his death," he said. He added that his examination of the body found no evidence of any blunt force trauma or bruising.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/17/bootcamp.death/


"The damage to his internal organs wasn't caused from this alleged sickle cell trait," said Benjamin Crump, a Tallahassee lawyer who represents the family. "He (the medical examiner) doesn't want to address the issue of internal bleeding. . . . What caused this internal bleeding?"

State Rep. Gus Barreiro, a boot camp critic and one of two lawmakers who saw the video last week, also said Siebert's conclusions were baffling. "Either he didn't see the same tape I did or he's trying to cover this up," the Miami Beach Republican said.

"His response is questionable at best," Barreiro said. "This young man could have died from internal bleeding, but what caused it? I think it was the amount of strain and abuse he was put under."

U.S. Rep. George Miller, a California Democrat who called for a federal study of boot camps, issued a statement Thursday encouraging the Department of Justice.

"This investigation should be the beginning of a serious, aggressive, and comprehensive effort by federal agencies and the Congress to make sure that children are totally safe when they are sent - either by the state or by their parents - to residential programs."
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/17/State ... dn_t.shtml

Siebert's report created a storm of controversy. Some of Florida's best-known sickle-cell specialists said it couldn't happen. Unlike sickle cell anemia, which causes crippling pain and other health problems, sickle cell trait is silent, they said.

"In 30 years of taking care of children with sickle cell disease, I never, ever heard of anybody dying from sickle cell trait," said Dr. Jerry Barbosa, medical director of pediatric hematology oncology at All Children's Hospital in St. Petersburg.

Barbosa called the report "totally preposterous, out of context and very unscientific."

But other doctors said there are documented cases of people with sickle cell trait dying suddenly during exercise.
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/17/State ... tops.shtml
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« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2006, 11:44:00 AM »
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/ ... 902252.htm
Experts: Autopsy conclusion `not plausible'

Experts have questioned the autopsy report that concluded 14-year-old Martin Lee Anderson died of natural causes while in state custody.

By JACOB GOLDSTEIN http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/18/State ... oes_.shtml
........."It's laughable," said Dr. Jerry Barbosa, medical director of hematology at All Children's Hospital in St. Petersburg. "His conclusions are just out of touch with medical reality." In releasing the tape, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement said it had "substantially" completed its criminal investigation and had turned over information to state and federal prosecutors.........


http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/18/Opini ... tice.shtml
.......In fact, before the videotape raised questions, camp officials had offered only two misleading sentences by way of reporting Anderson's death: "During physical training, youth M.A. passed out on the ground and was unresponsive to staff. 911 was immediately notified.".......




http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13902242.htm
........McKeithen, criticized by black legislators who say he is showing more concern for protecting the actions of boot camp officials than for Anderson's family, refused to answer questions about what changes he has implemented.
His office released a memo, dated Jan. 6, ordering boot camp officials to ''immediately stop the use of'' ammonia capsules -- apparently used in the incident with Martin -- ``for any purpose other than emergency situations, such as attempting to revive a person who has obviously passed out.''

Camp guards were allowed to use ''chemical agents'' and ''deadly force'' to subdue teens. No more. The sheriff's office also released a memo, written a week after Martin's death, forbidding the use of ''knee strikes and hammer strikes,'' referring to the punches to the arm seen several times on the video, ``unless it is for self-defense.''.........
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« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2006, 01:16:00 PM »
Excerpts from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00250.html

By MELISSA NELSON
The Associated Press
Saturday, February 18, 2006; 4:24 AM

PANAMA CITY, Fla. -- Lawmakers and the family of a teenager seen on videotape being kneed and struck by juvenile boot camp guards are calling for the immediate arrest and prosecution of the guards.

Some lawmakers have called on Bush to appoint an independent prosecutor. A spokesman for Bush said earlier Friday that the governor thought it was too early to consider appointing an independent prosecutor in the case.
[Might that be because he appointed Tunnell- who created the camp- and also appointed McKeithen to his first term as Sheriff, who currently runs the camp? Further, Tunnell is conducting the investigation.]

Rep. Gus Barreiro, R-Miami Beach, said the conclusion that Anderson died of natural causes "doesn't add up." "It doesn't make sense and goes against all logic of watching what happened to this young man," he said.

Sen. Gary Siplin, D-Orlando, called for any guard who touched Anderson to be arrested. "At the very least it's aggravated battery, at the top of the ladder it's murder," Siplin said.

Near the end of the confrontation, guards appear to become more concerned, and several run in and out of the scene. A few minutes later, emergency medical personnel take him away on a gurney.
[Several cups of water were brought out. Since Anderson was lying on the ground motionless at that time, I assumed they were cleaning blook off his wounds before EMS arrived. He certainly wasn't drinking them.]

There has been research _ some involving recruits at military boot camps _ linking the trait to sudden death after extreme exertion. Experts on sickle cell trait, however, questioned Friday whether the disease could be definitively and entirely to blame for Anderson's death.

"There is a slight, increased risk at the extremes of human endurance, but it really takes a profound amount of exercise and dehydration," said Dr. James Eckman, director of the Comprehensive Sickle Cell Center at Grady Health System in Atlanta and a professor at Emory University.

Research shows sudden death with heavy exertion typically happens either in extreme heat and humidity or at high altitude. Weather records show the high temperature was 68 the day Anderson passed out.
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« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2006, 02:18:00 PM »
Excerpts from Miami Herald
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/li ... 902252.htm

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''That report is not plausible at all,'' said Dr. Kenneth Bridges, former head of the Center for Sickle Cell and Thalassemic Disorders in Boston and a former associate professor at Harvard Medical School.

But Charles Siebert, Bay's medical examiner, defended his findings and said he used information -- hospital records, a surveillance video of the altercation and statements from medical personnel -- not included in the report.

''I appreciate the comments from other doctors, but it's hard for them to make comments when they don't have all the information,'' Siebert said.

About 8 percent of African Americans have the sickle cell trait. The vast majority, including SCORES OF PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES, live without any symptoms. Sickle cell trait is related to sickle cell anemia, but it's much less serious and isn't considered a disease.

In extremely rare cases, the condition may contribute to sudden death from extremely vigorous exercise coupled with dehydration.

Siebert attributed Anderson's death to ``the stress of the exercise itself in the environment he was in -- you've got your Adrenalin pumping, you're in a new situation at boot camp. Plus the situation with the guards . . . the resisting, the increased physical stress of being in a physical altercation.''
[Resisting? Did he watch the same video? I didn?t see a moment of resistance. I didn?t see any fighting, kicking, to get away. I saw a limp kid being tossed around like a bean bag.]

According to the autopsy report, Anderson suffered a hemorrhage at the back of the abdomen, in the space behind the kidneys. This bleeding sent him into shock and he never recovered, Siebert said.
[How many times did they slam their knee into his back while he was against the pole? Looked like he took a number of kidney punches.]

Experts were skeptical.

''The DIC issue in particular does not make sense,'' Bridges said.

Dr. Stuart Toledano, who treats children with sickle cell disease at the University of Miami, agreed. He said DIC is not typically associated with sickle cell disease, particularly if the patient has not been seriously ill for a prolonged period of time. Toledano added that it was ''extremely unlikely'' that Anderson died as a result of complications from sickle cell trait.
''Bleeding is not part and parcel of sickle cell disease or sickle cell trait,'' he said.

DIC is more commonly associated with an infection of the blood, or with trauma, Bridges said.

The hemorrhage behind Anderson's kidneys could also have been caused by a blow to the back, but Siebert said he ruled this out because there was no sign of such a blow.
[Seriously, was he given an edited version of the video, or is he in on the cover-up, the whitewashing of this boys murder?]

The report noted that several organs were congested with sickle-shaped cells, but Siebert said this can occur as a result of death and does not prove the cause of death.

''The hemorrhage is the real problem here,'' said Dr. Michael Norenberg, a University of Miami pathologist who reviewed the autopsy report at The Miami Herald's request. ''Where does the blood come from? Because bleeding is not a problem in these people'' with sickle cell trait.

Still, Norenberg would not rule out that Siebert's conclusion may be correct.
''The possibility that he did actually die from sickle cell trait for some strange reason is still there,'' Norenberg said. ``But we don't have ANY EVIDENCE FOR IT BASED ON THIS REPORT.''
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« Reply #53 on: February 19, 2006, 01:31:00 AM »
The names of the guards have been released:

Charles Helms Jr, 50, who has been suspended without pay twice for violating the code of conduct.
Patrick Garrett, 29, who has also been suspended. Reason was not known.
Raymond Hauck
Henry Kickens
Joseph Walsh
Charles Enfinger
Henry McFadden
Kris Schmidt- Nurse
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/18/State ... oes_.shtml
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« Reply #54 on: February 19, 2006, 10:09:00 AM »
Sorry, this post lost
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« Reply #56 on: February 20, 2006, 08:48:00 AM »
It looks like Brother Jeb needs our help.  He seems to be under the false impression that this is the first time "something like this" has happened.  

http://www.blacknewsweekly.com/news238.html
 "My heart goes out to the family," Bush said of Anderson's death. "This is the first time, I believe, that something like this has happened at a boot camp after many years.

"It's tragic, but to shut down the boot camps without having seen the investigation, with having seen what needs to be done, is a little premature."


Lets drop him a line and let him know about other "things like this" that have happened.
jeb.bush@myflorida.com
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« Reply #57 on: February 20, 2006, 12:19:00 PM »
Just sent to Brother Jeb!

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Brother Jeb said:
"My heart goes out to the family," Bush said of Anderson's death. "This is the first time, I believe, that something like this has happened at a boot camp after many years.

"It's tragic, but to shut down the boot camps without having seen the investigation, with having seen what needs to be done, is a little premature."

Bullshit! Just ask Mrs. Ambassadorable about that. (asif you didn't know, you cock sucker!)

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« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2006, 01:53:00 PM »
Oh yeah, and the subject header was "Have you seen Jerry Vancil??"

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« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2006, 01:56:00 PM »
Very well done Ginger!!!!!  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:
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