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« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2006, 09:49:00 PM »
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 Actually Helena, you don't get much of NOTHIN' you homely scag. No surprise though."


Shows what you know!   :rofl:


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« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2006, 10:36:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-04 10:02:00, KillJoy wrote:

   I was in Life in 1985 and went through, graduated and made some good changes within myself.  I have mostly funny memories of my time there, and would love to find others who feel the same way.  

  Are people 15 and 20 years later really stuck in a crappy attitude and mad at their parents about going there?  


L.I.F.E. was operating for several years.I was there for the Grand Opening.L.I.F.E. was very abusive then and the host families also could be abusive.Maybe in the later years (I dont know,I wasnt there)it could have been softened a bit,so many people over the years could have been having different experiences.In the begining L.I.F.E. was comprised of Ex-Straight people.

15 and 20 years later WE may be doing just fine,but when we read and participate here we re-live our bad experience and NOW can write our true feelings about what was done to us.

I say L.I.F.E. was a horrid place with beatings,torture,food and medicine depravation,and mind games.
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« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2006, 10:46:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-12 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-12 07:51:00, Anonymous wrote:



  Want to DEFINE "horrid abuse" for us?  (without making things up or exaggerating ecessively)"




Screaming in a kid's face telling them they're a loser, whore, slut, fag, will never make anything out of himself w/o LIFE.



Poking and prodding a kid to sit up straight.  Jamming knuckles into the back to achieve this and when the kid reacts, he's swiftly and severely punished.



Forced confessions of sins to prove that the kid was out of control and heading towards death, jail or mental hospital w/o LIFE.  Said confessions later used against the kid.



Having diets severely restricted as punishment.



Overwhelming sleep deprivation to the point of becoming non-functional.



Complete loss of ALL privacy and rights.



Being humiliated on a daily basis.









Need I go on?



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Could not have said it better myself!

(Don't forget to tell about the 14/15 year old boys being physically tortured and bullied by the bigger and stronger alcoholic 19/20 year old men in group and oldcommer homes.)
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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2006, 09:30:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-12 19:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-12 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-02-12 07:51:00, Anonymous wrote:




  Want to DEFINE "horrid abuse" for us?  (without making things up or exaggerating ecessively)"







Screaming in a kid's face telling them they're a loser, whore, slut, fag, will never make anything out of himself w/o LIFE.





Poking and prodding a kid to sit up straight.  Jamming knuckles into the back to achieve this and when the kid reacts, he's swiftly and severely punished.





Forced confessions of sins to prove that the kid was out of control and heading towards death, jail or mental hospital w/o LIFE.  Said confessions later used against the kid.





Having diets severely restricted as punishment.





Overwhelming sleep deprivation to the point of becoming non-functional.





Complete loss of ALL privacy and rights.





Being humiliated on a daily basis.














Need I go on?





"




Could not have said it better myself!



(Don't forget to tell about the 14/15 year old boys being physically tortured and bullied by the bigger and stronger alcoholic 19/20 year old men in group and oldcommer homes.)"


  I doubt it.
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« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2006, 02:14:00 PM »
Welcome Heidi...joined your board..talk soon.
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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2006, 03:21:00 PM »
I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?

Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question.  It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.

If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?

I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.

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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2006, 08:25:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-13 12:21:00, xvipah wrote:

"I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?



Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question.  It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.



If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?



I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.

Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has
happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to
the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world.

http://www.marshfield.net/History/webster.htm' target='_new'>Daniel Webster

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  Good point and question.  Think anyone will have an intelligent reply?
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2006, 09:41:00 PM »
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I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?


Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question.  It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.


If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?


I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.
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  Good point and question.  Think anyone will have an intelligent reply?"


I don't get it either.  Sure, remember the good times, but when you only want to remember "good times", deny any bad times, then refuse to allow any dissidence whatsoever in the absence of personal attack, then, that's a as indisidious of the program itself.  It's almost like a VH-1-esque, "where are they now" cyber-rap session, and it's pathetic.

Think I'm kidding?

I responded to Heidi's board, in a neutral tone - never been verbally abusive to Heidi or anyone involved - unless they were abusive previously, then, I retaliated accordingly.

The response I got at first was a stock denial after sending a request with my intentions - which were to talk logically, but I don't agree that LIFE was a great place.  I requested an explanation if they chose not to allow me access.

On top of the Yahoo stock "You've been denied" email, this was posted here on Fornits:

    Sara

    The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE board is because you have no business there. You aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends, and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts and come back to this board to report.
    There's the explaination you wanted.
    found at  http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =41#172714
.

You can read forward and see where the intellectual conversation went from there.

This morning, Heidi herself sent me this email:


    Sara;
        I believe the reason the other moderator denied
    you is because you did
    not give us enough information. This group requires
    us to verify your
    participation in the Life program, to not only
    protect the other members
    from peolr pretending to be lifers, and this is of
    course the whole point of
    the site, for lifers. Perhaps if you resubmit with your full name and the
     dates you were in Life we could be more
    accomadating. You would not have to
    use your real name however at the site. We still
    practice and respect the
    confidentuality rule.
    Regards, Heidi


So I responded:

    This doesn't sound very genuous to me Heidi,
    especially since your co-mod posted the following to
    Fornits:

      Sara

      The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE
      board is because you have no business there. You
      aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends,
      and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts
      and come back to this board to report.
      There's the explaination you wanted.


    The link:
    http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =38#172714

     You'll also find a sandbox-grade personal attack in
    the same thread.

    And as far as confidentiality goes, I've seen and have
    heard from others that one of the posters to your
    board has used real first and names on Fornits.  Two
    of the people that she called by name no longer post,
    or they do so anonymously.  Those are the facts, if
    you want to dismiss them, that's your call.

    I really have nothing to say to anyone in your group.
    But I do find it interesting that you and/or your
    co-mod won't allow differing opinions.  Reminds me of
    Hussein's Iraq.

    Good Day,

    Sara


Boom! I get home and hear that Heidi's board is locked up tight (i.e.: posted messages aren't viewable unless you've been deemed worthy).

Heidi-babe,  did you want to be on staff that badly?  Twenty years after the fact is a little tooooooooo late to show your stones as a good little Junior Staffer.  

Get over it!

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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2006, 10:12:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-13 17:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-02-13 12:21:00, xvipah wrote:

"I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?

Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question.  It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.

If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?

I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.



  Good point and question.  Think anyone will have an intelligent reply?"


My biggest beef was that they were making their messages public without letting anyone post unless they agreed. That no longer seems to be the case, so let them have their little love fest.
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« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2006, 11:54:00 PM »
Ok, fair enough.  Like I said, was just a question.  :smile:

There is nothing on earth intended for innocent people so horrible as a school.  To begin with, it is a prison.  But it is in some respects more cruel than a prison.  In a prison, for instance, you are not forced to read books written by the wardens...School was to me a sentence of penal servitude.
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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2006, 12:49:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-13 12:21:00, xvipah wrote:

"I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?



Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question.  It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.



If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?



I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.

Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has
happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to
the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world.

http://www.marshfield.net/History/webster.htm' target='_new'>Daniel Webster

"


Because only an IDIOT would come here to hawk such a messageboard.Give it a look,its for someone who LOVED the program.
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« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2006, 01:20:00 AM »
I believe the reason the other moderator denied

you is because you did

not give us enough information. This group requires

us to verify your

participation in the Life program,
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Verify?
Does this person have a "master list" of ALL the people in L.I.F.E. for all of the years it was operating?

I was not in L.I.F.E. at the same time,so it is not possible for me to be "remembered".

How can this person "verify" my participation in L.I.F.E.?

I CAN NOT EVEN GET A PIECE OF PAPER TO VERIFY THAT I WAS IN L.I.F.E.!!!!!!
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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2006, 07:23:00 AM »
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Verify?

Does this person have a "master list" of ALL the people in L.I.F.E. for all of the years it was operating?



I was not in L.I.F.E. at the same time,so it is not possible for me to be "remembered".



How can this person "verify" my participation in L.I.F.E.?



I CAN NOT EVEN GET A PIECE OF PAPER TO VERIFY THAT I WAS IN L.I.F.E.!!!!!!"


Another good point.  How are you guys doing this? Or are you just running a popularity contest?

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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2006, 11:06:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-13 18:41:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

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I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?





Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question.  It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.





If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?





I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.

Quote



  Good point and question.  Think anyone will have an intelligent reply?"




I don't get it either.  Sure, remember the good times, but when you only want to remember "good times", deny any bad times, then refuse to allow any dissidence whatsoever in the absence of personal attack, then, that's a as indisidious of the program itself.  It's almost like a VH-1-esque, "where are they now" cyber-rap session, and it's pathetic.



Think I'm kidding?



I responded to Heidi's board, in a neutral tone - never been verbally abusive to Heidi or anyone involved - unless they were abusive previously, then, I retaliated accordingly.



The response I got at first was a stock denial after sending a request with my intentions - which were to talk logically, but I don't agree that LIFE was a great place.  I requested an explanation if they chose not to allow me access.



On top of the Yahoo stock "You've been denied" email, this was posted here on Fornits:



    Sara



    The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE board is because you have no business there. You aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends, and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts and come back to this board to report.

    There's the explaination you wanted.

    found at  http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =41#172714
.



You can read forward and see where the intellectual conversation went from there.



This morning, Heidi herself sent me this email:





    Sara;

        I believe the reason the other moderator denied

    you is because you did

    not give us enough information. This group requires

    us to verify your

    participation in the Life program, to not only

    protect the other members

    from peolr pretending to be lifers, and this is of

    course the whole point of

    the site, for lifers. Perhaps if you resubmit with your full name and the

     dates you were in Life we could be more

    accomadating. You would not have to

    use your real name however at the site. We still

    practice and respect the

    confidentuality rule.

    Regards, Heidi




So I responded:



    This doesn't sound very genuous to me Heidi,

    especially since your co-mod posted the following to

    Fornits:



      Sara



      The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE

      board is because you have no business there. You

      aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends,

      and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts

      and come back to this board to report.

      There's the explaination you wanted.




    The link:

    http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =38#172714



     You'll also find a sandbox-grade personal attack in

    the same thread.



    And as far as confidentiality goes, I've seen and have

    heard from others that one of the posters to your

    board has used real first and names on Fornits.  Two

    of the people that she called by name no longer post,

    or they do so anonymously.  Those are the facts, if

    you want to dismiss them, that's your call.



    I really have nothing to say to anyone in your group.

    But I do find it interesting that you and/or your

    co-mod won't allow differing opinions.  Reminds me of

    Hussein's Iraq.



    Good Day,



    Sara




Boom! I get home and hear that Heidi's board is locked up tight (i.e.: posted messages aren't viewable unless you've been deemed worthy).



Heidi-babe,  did you want to be on staff that badly?  Twenty years after the fact is a little tooooooooo late to show your stones as a good little Junior Staffer.  



Get over it!

The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective.









--Brave New World Revisited, Aldous Huxley, 1958





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 Man, this is a big deal to you, huh Helena?  Are you that upset that you couldn't get in? At least you're welcome here.
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« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2006, 11:25:00 AM »
I can't speak for her, but personally I find it comical that you guys obviously felt the need to disallow people to even READ what you've written. (All FOUR posts  :rofl:
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