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« on: January 16, 2006, 12:39:00 PM »
Clarence ray allen and michael morales to be executed
by governor arnold schwartzenegger  next week .
california has 700 on death row  and  prisons are at
160% of capacity  and san quentin is in a nice
republican neighborhood and would sell for one billion
as developers have told the state they  can  build
townhomes in  posh marin county .  California has a 5 billion defecit and that could end by pardoning and releasing all drug offenders and deporting all illegal aliens in prison .  Prop 187 would have closed schools and hospitals to illegals under gray davis  but  a corrupt activist judge allowed illegal aliens to bankrupt the state and made the taxpayer the parents to illegal alien criminals .  

Voters and Reps must pass a  death penalty fast lane.
Two appeals heard in  two years .  No  co defendant or
snitch testimony  or anyone given immunity or reduced
sentences . three victims to get death penalty .  no
spouses or relatives as victims or testimony . no
executions without dna  or cause of death  or  weapon
.  scott peterson would be  set free.  stuart anderson
 sausage king  passed away of natural causes  on death
row  last week.   Death
row wait would be two years not twenty six.  Taxpayers
pay for executions  and  executions would be televised
on pay per view for 99 bucks  and gang members and
those in jail would be forced to attend . Exposure to
executions weekly would  be a deterrant and many are
so ghetto ized they need therapy and seroquel.  Money
would
go to build low income housing for poor citizens  and
housing would donated to landlords .  Sensitivity
training is needed for inmates  to teach them to
behave properly and not bully and verbally abuse
others in jail .  chemical castration for all maximum
security inmates would reduce crime and save taxpayers
 foster care for illegitimate kids and meth addicted
wives.  



Time to reduce appeals and execute inmates like we did
in the 50's  .  televising executions is what the
public and gangs need to see.  that is what the state
can teach to gangs.
No one enjoys this. This is not a deterrent either.
This will not make any of his thug buddies hesitate
one iota from doing the same thing. Then why the death
penalty? Because it's the right thing to do. It is
JUSTICE. And penal institutions are not to be about
rehab. They are about punishment. Maybe you could
selll your agrument to the young lady who's father was
taken from her so abruptly, while your boy Tookie
stood by and laughed. Some crimes can never be paid
for, especially by "writing a kid's book". Gosh, that
erases everything. As I ride through the projects, I
can certainly see the strides that Tookie and his
followers have made with their "anti-gang" message. No
one is listening. All I see are shrines erected to
those shot in daylight. Go to Turk and Webster and
tell me his message is getting through.

I can't say I feel any sympathy for these guys or
their families. No doubt we'll hear all the sob
stories when the TV news goes to interview one of the
dead men's mom. She'll be weeping on TV and saying
what a good boy he was, he never got into trouble,
never did drugs, etc.

What a load. People who get involved in the world of
drugs and crime know that getting shot is one of the
hazards of the job and they choose to do it anyway.

The obvious denial by every drug dealer's mom who
thinks their boy is a good kid only contributes to the
problem. Someone should have smacked the kid against
the head years ago, but no one did.
Shooting in nashville crack house on news
Four drug dealers off the streets of Nashville. Can't
say I think it's a bad thing.

no fathers ever on camera, why?

you always hear that one. Kid shot to death at 4am on
a weekday morning hanging out on on some streetcorner,
always turns out to be an honor student who "neva did
nuthin to nobody" I understand the TV News people not
wanting to speak ill of the dead, but come on. Gimme a
break.

America's  prisons   are 50% made up of  drug users of
cocaine, marijuana  and  heroin  which  in synthetic
form is called oxycontin  and  a  pain reliever  taken
by Rush Limbaugh  .  America should tell Congress to
end Drug Prohibition  saving 70 billion first year of
it.  Send all the drug users to locked rehab for six
months
and  we  will see every state and city budget with
billions  for infrastructure   roads, hospitals,  low
income housing  for people of all colors.  Time to
reduce unemployment to 1%  and  end the  county jails
which  do not help inmates rehab or  help taxpayers
and make them into gang members.
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2006, 08:49:00 PM »
I agree with the legalization of drugs and release of those prisoners. But I couldn't disagree more about killing people on television. I think it would have the exact opposite effect. America is already one of the most violent societies on Earth, and more violence will not help. The hypocrisy of killing someone for killing is aparent to even the most thuggish ghetto gangster. Violence begets violence.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2006, 09:05:00 PM »
Is Singapore an anomoly or does this country have the answer to crime?
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2006, 09:08:00 PM »
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America is already one of the most violent societies on Earth, and more violence will not help.


No, that's a myth. We're actually quite civilized on that count by comparison. Here, a cop will beat Rodney King or some poor old dude in New Orleans, but they won't cut off his head and play soccer with it in front of the neighbor kids like they do in Colombia.

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2006, 09:09:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-16 18:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Is Singapore an anomoly or does this country have the answer to crime?"


Yeah, they have an answer. They have a total police state that's so repressive that this tiny sun splashed island state is among the world's top producers of suicide and other types of nervous breakdown.

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2006, 09:37:00 PM »
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America is already one of the most violent societies on Earth, and more violence will not help.


You obviously haven't heard of any of the countries in the middle east. Or North Korea. Or Haiti. Or the countries in Africa which are suffering or have suffered from genocidal wars, like Rwanda and the Sudan. I could go on.

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2006, 11:03:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-16 18:09:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2006-01-16 18:05:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Is Singapore an anomoly or does this country have the answer to crime?"




Yeah, they have an answer. They have a total police state that's so repressive that this tiny sun splashed island state is among the world's top producers of suicide and other types of nervous breakdown.




I had only heard of the nere zero crime
reputation, I didn't know about the
police state/suicide/etc. problems.

Thanks for the info!
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2006, 12:47:00 AM »
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You obviously haven't heard of any of the countries in the middle east. Or North Korea. Or Haiti. Or the countries in Africa which are suffering or have suffered from genocidal wars, like Rwanda and the Sudan. I could go on.


Um.. okay, it's great you can find a bunch of third world countries more violent than ours, bravo. Can you find a first world country? It would be sad if the best defense for America's murderous ways can only be defended by comparing itself to the worst countries in the world, and claiming moral superiority over them.

But seriously, who TRUSTS the government enough to handle the responsibility of LIFE AND DEATH? They can't even fucking get my address right on my drivers license, and these people have the power to KILL people?! The same people who endorsed STRAIGHT and get bribed by WWASP to wharehouse kids unregulated. All perpetuated by the myth and parnoia evident in the original posters thread. LOCK ALL THE YOUNG BOYS UP! That will solve crime!  :cool:
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2006, 04:15:00 AM »
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You obviously haven't heard of any of the countries in the middle east. Or North Korea. Or Haiti. Or the countries in Africa which are suffering or have suffered from genocidal wars, like Rwanda and the Sudan. I could go on.




Um.. okay, it's great you can find a bunch of third world countries more violent than ours, bravo. Can you find a first world country? It would be sad if the best defense for America's murderous ways can only be defended by comparing itself to the worst countries in the world, and claiming moral superiority over them.


Nobody said anything in that original statement about creating divisions between first and third world countries. It simply stated that America was one of the most violent societies on earth. Not the most violent first world society on earth. Those are two entirely different statements, that require two entirely different rebuttals.

And executing people publicly would certainly be a throwback to the "good old days" when you would take your family for a day out to the gallows to watch some people get hanged. Once a common practice in many of the countries which now consider themselves "first world."
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2006, 08:38:00 AM »
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It simply stated that America was one of the most violent societies on earth. Not the most violent first world society on earth. Those are two entirely different statements, that require two entirely different rebuttals.


What country has been the main aggressor post WW2? What country is responsible for millions of innocent civilian deaths in Vietnam, Iraq, and various other countries we've had our hand in the past few decades. Perhaps the victims of the Mai Lai massacre or Abu Gharib would argue that America IS a violent society. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think America certainly fits into the category of a violent culture. If it doesn't I'd hate to see the REAL version of a violent society!  I stand by my statement, and I haven't seen anyone with a convincing argument otherwise. The countries you talk about have internal problems, now we project death from the comfort of our own country. Does this mean we are any less violent? Are cruise missiles less violent than chopping someone's head off and playing soccer with it? I don't think so. What country has used nuclear bombs, and whom were they used against? Point made.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2006, 08:40:00 AM »
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Once a common practice in many of the countries which now consider themselves "first world."


And now they don't, it's called proggression. The leading executers in the world now are China, Iran and the US. We are in good company.  :roll:
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2006, 04:11:00 AM »
You are the enemy within.  You think the U.S. killed all of these people, oh sure we killed a few, but not anyone that did not ahve it coming.  I guess you don't count the killing down by the Japs during WWII, or N. vietnam or Sadam in Iraq.  I love liberals, the problem is you can not house break them.  Put your head back in the sand.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2006, 10:18:00 AM »
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"You are the enemy within.  You think the U.S. killed all of these people, oh sure we killed a few, but not anyone that did not ahve it coming.  I guess you don't count the killing down by the Japs during WWII, or N. vietnam or Sadam in Iraq.  I love liberals, the problem is you can not house break them.  Put your head back in the sand."


If you get put on death row for a crime you never committed, as so many have no been found out to have been over the years, I hope you remember this statement. It's so easy to kill innocent people when you aren't doing the killing, coward.
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2006, 10:24:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-30 01:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You are the enemy within.  You think the U.S. killed all of these people, oh sure we killed a few, but not anyone that did not ahve it coming.  I guess you don't count the killing down by the Japs during WWII, or N. vietnam or Sadam in Iraq.  I love liberals, the problem is you can not house break them.  Put your head back in the sand."


Turn down the dial on Rush for a moment... who is talking about warfare this conversation is about the death penalty. Your gross generalizations and steretypes show your lack of intellect, and ignorance. You are an enemy to humanity and decency itself.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2006, 09:12:00 PM »
It costs too much ... end of story.

Any state that has the death penalty
is just pissing money away!
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