On 2006-01-08 20:41:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-12-29 14:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
I can think of so many other individuals on the C.O.C. who conspired to tuck me away: school administrators, the PTA, the program director. The people filling their shoes now are guilty of complicity, as these people were then. So many community "pillars" are responsible for this nightmare. Could they be able to continue hiding because of the intense focus on the biggest fish?
I'm with ya on the grand conspiracy. But I don't think bringing attention to the poster boys of the industry is really going to help anyone hide. Really, they bring lots of attention to themselves by acting in the public and private sectors. They just don't like to talk about the other side of it.
Especially Sembler. Sembler is close to the White House. I didn't put him there. Frankly, I was dumbfounded to find out that these sadistic lunatics are actually in positions of responsibility of any kind. I thought they all wound up sad little leaders of little fringy cults or went back on recall to the secret underground base out in Nevada where they clone them.
And then I think well wtf, Sembler made his millions building strip malls anchored on big box stores and Jack Eckard's McPharmacies right over top of Mainstreets all over the nation. The Program seems a logical next step. You know, to deal with the ungrateful little bastards who don't apreciate all he's done for us already.
And this system of ours evidently favors bastards like him. Therefore, he wins the prize of Celebrity. I think that when people think of him, especially when he brags about Straight, they ought to know what he's talking about. I don't care if he gets sued or has a pleasant and peaceful life fully cloistered in his delusions of nobel grandure. I only want to get people thinking, talking and better understanding what kind of people these are.
On 2005-12-29 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
It?s every individual against Goliath? Well, my faith in numbers is greater than my faith in the isolated activist slicing away in the dark. "
No, like anon said. This forum is not an activist organization. It's just a venue for discussion. Think of it as your favorite biker bar. Great place to come and be sometimes. And ppl do sometimes put their heads together and embark on a project after meeting up here. Often, if you're looking for needed info about any part of the industry, this is a great place to ask directions. Just don't mind the trolls.
If only there were evil people somewhere, insidiously committing evil
deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?
Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
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Just don't mind the moderators, either, who are regularly abusive to posters. They have their own agenda. THey participate in abuse. And abuse on fornits is one reason why an atmosphere of paranoia exists among straight survivors and why people don't get together.
An example of how GInger controls the discussion and information: If you think a lawsuit is a good idea and try to talk about it here, she'll be sure to jump in every time to tell you how impossible and stupid it is. Every time, just watch. It's like she's being paid to distract any good energy people might have & subvert it with her own cause. I think fornits is in fact the cause, the agent of non-joining and non-caring.
I came here hoping to find people and a place to talk about straight and a place to channel all my passionate energy for this cause. Unfortunately, fornits is permeated with a real atmosphere of terror. You yourself cannot trust anyone and you know it, which is why you are anonymous. If you start revealing your name or anything, you know how easily you can get abused. First there is Ginger and the moderators who like to post personal information and misinformation about people who question them here in public. Then there is the culture of fornits perpetuated by Ginger's ideals of no checks on abuse whatsoever. How well can you trust a forum where the moderator allows personal information to be posted in public, like home addresses and kids' names and slander connected to personal names, spouses names and so on? Fornits is run on lies and misinformation about Ginger's practiced art of cult leadership here. Too bad. Guess survivors will never get anywhere. People don't even want to go to protests because they know if certain people show up they will get gossiped about on fornits and to Ginger who is happy to repeat all kinds of gossip she has found out on people by the telephone. Then, if you try to speak up in any meaningful way, being as horrified by the abuse you see here in which survivors are personally slandered in public, she will pull out all the stops on her lying and gossiping and she'll spread misinformation about you, about who you even are, really, about the medications she might have found out that you are taking through her gossip connections, or she might just lie about the medication, she might lie and tell everyone here that anyone who speaks up against her and fornits that it is all one person questioning her who should be "on their meds". Nice way to squash any kind of rebellion: spread lies, make the other side look crazy and so on. If you are new here you might not have noticed this yet. Keep your eyes open. There is a reason only about three survivors ever post here any more. Fornits is useless, it is worse than useless, it is in fact a thorn in the side of any kind of survivor community that would get together for a good feeling of common cause.
If this forum were what survivors make of it, I hope that most of us would have made it so that the personal slander is removed on Sammie on other survivors. However, this forum is not what survivors make of it, not at all. It is what Ginger Warbis makes of it. She will delete and squash and trash and subvert and belittle and gossip and lie and spread lies about you to your friends you are trying to connect with and stuff. But when it comes to slander and abuse, she is happy for all that. It serves her own cause, and she uses survivors to serve this cause.
Just keep your eyes open for the kinds of posts that you read that are deleted or moved later. Some of us watched the last episode of Ginger's deleting tactics closely. This is no open forum, it is modulated and controlled by Ginger. Watch closely. A tyrant is terrified of dissent and the free discussion of information. She will be deleting stuff again soon that is the true voices of survivors.
Some of us are getting sick enough of the culture of abuse to really want to end it. As long as people unquestioningly believe that this is an "open forum", and fail to question why Ginger has the right to leave up completely false, abusive, and personally damaging slander on survivors, fornits will continue on to divide survivors and weaken some of the most powerful forces we as a survivor community could have. She has even admitted that Luke Riffle's documentary film on Straight lost it's funding because of fornits.
Documentary films are one of the most powerful tools to end oppression. They show the truth in a way that people really remember and it makes them keep thinking about it. If fornits is killing such a powerful thing for Straight survivors, and yet we let fornits continue as is, I guess it really everyone's fault. Think about that.
We thoroughly expect that Ginger will think she knows who this is and start slandering them. No, Ginger, you have no idea how many people have been abused by and on fornits who left, disgusted, but who are willing to get together now to end your tyranny of this abusive and terrorizing little cult/culture right here. We have been discussing amongst ourselves so that our ideas become solidified and strengthened. We are not alone in the history of rebellions and political sentiment. Rosa Parks finally had enough. Martin Luther King Jr. had a dream. When survivors unite against the tyranny of fornits, their cause is common to the cause of all repressed peoples. You have no inalienable right to allow things to be so wrong to survivors of institutionalized child abuse who have been abused and slandered horribly while you complain that you can't help it when in fact the truth is you can and will and have deleted whatever you want to that serves your own purpose.
We have certain objectives coming up in the next couple of weeks. The slander on survivors must be removed. We will not stand for the continued abuse and misrepresentation of survivors who are in fact working in the world for our common cause of an end to abusing children. We will not allow them to be degraded and abused here on fornits. We will stand up for each other, the line is drawn here, and we will not back down. We have lots of good company out there, and we will recruit it for our common purpose of an end to fear so that survivors can once again speak freely to each other and really get together on stuff.
