TELL THE TRUTH MEL

[sammiegirl]

You lying sack of poop. You said in a depo you didnt know..... YEAH RIGHT!!!! You are a liar you are an abuser, you profited off the blood and tears of CHILDREN.
ROT IN HELL MEL

[Anonymous]

you should really get some professional help girl.  You sound very unbalanced and whacked.

[sammiegirl]

jjjjjjjjjjjj

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-28 19:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"



  you should really get some professional help girl.  You sound very unbalanced and whacked."

I know alot of people really dislike my trolling and they hate me for some of the shit that I say on here. But you know what AntiGin??? This post I just quoted right is here is the whole fucking reason in the first place why I started trolling. I don't have to explain myself because you understand what I've been through about this. I have a hard enough time trusting people like Sammie and Mike and all us other Straight survivors. This motherfucker here reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally pisses me off. I wish you would give me his/her address so I can go kill this piece of shit, I really do have a crowbar painted black for people like this. May I have this person's name and address please? Or would you be so kind as to edit this person off of this post? Why do we allow people to say things like this to survivors? Don't people believe that we were fucking abused as kids? It's not that we are victims now because we are telling a story of the past and the truth, it's that people like this really need to get their head knocked in. I'm the bad ass to do it. It's the Irish blood in me. Gin, may I please have this person's name and address so I can go knock the shit out of them? If you pay me a penny Sammie, put it on this person's tab if you want to, I will go take my car jack kit and blow it through this person's nose out the back of their neck. I am serious. And hell yes, I'm the one who is unstable, needs meds, and is completely fucked up. I'm that sorry loser, whatever you say about me is true. How dare you say anything like this kind of nasty, vile shit about ANY survivor. I'll kill you. Seriously, I'll totally fucking end your fucking miserable, pathetic life. No wonder you can't get it up. Maybe I really should create my own website, I just don't understand why we're allowed to read garbage against survivors. Does it serve as some kind of dark humor, some kind of beta sound board that lets us survivors know that we're all still crazy and imagining what happened at Straight? I just don't think this kind of blatent badgering and harassment should be allowed, I mean I don't think it serves to know the objective opinions of what happened at Straight or some other truths that we 'might miss out on'. I really don't. These kinds of posts have always been painful and useless in my opinion, I really don't have the stomach for it. I troll because everyone else does it. Now, may I please have this person's current address?

I know, I know: grow up, get a life, nothing I can do. Fuck.

[Anonymous]

And if Gin does give me an address, what I do to you will be Pre Meditated & provoked by you, and I'll be put to death or spend the rest of my life in prison with my boyfriend Fuxmyass. But you'll still be dead, and so will some of your family before I get arrested, and you won't post your lies on here anymore mr/mrs. anonymous pussy. The kewl thing is that the judge will have to enter one more testimony about Straight into state's evidence. At the very least I'll be seen as damaged goods and become a martyr for the cause of survivors. You'll be dead, your small and mostly ended family won't even be around to mourn your death after I kill them after killing you, and the people who do actually give you eulogy probably won't have known you and your pathetic sick life that well. Think this is dark humor? Just give me your name and address. Why would anyone say something like that about a survivor. It's not in the least bit somehow cute or funny.

[Anonymous]

::drummer::  ::trophy::   Bling Bling   ::trophy::  ::trophy::  ::trophy::  :exclaim:  :exclaim:

im white, but it was appropriate...

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-29 00:55:00, Anonymous wrote:


I know alot of people really dislike my trolling and they hate me for some of the shit that I say on here. But you know what AntiGin??? This post I just quoted right is here is the whole fucking reason in the first place why I started trolling.

Ok, lemme get this straight.  You don't like some of the mean things said about survivors and your solution is to post the most vile, digusting thing that anyone has written about those very same survivors?  Do I have that right?  

Why do we allow people to say things like this to survivors?

A free society and an open forum.  Pretty clear to the rest of us.

Don't people believe that we were fucking abused as kids?

I know this may come as a shock to you but no, some people don't believe it.  Get used to it.  Not everyone is going to believe everything you or any of the rest of us say.  Just a fact of life.

How dare you say anything like this kind of nasty, vile shit about ANY survivor.

What YOU'VE posted about these very same survivors whose cause your championing right now is worse than anything anyone else has posted about them.  How's that helpful???

Maybe I really should create my own website, I just don't understand why we're allowed to read garbage against survivors.

Allowed to read?  :eek:   No one is in straight anymore, we're "allowed" to read whatever we want.  That also means we're "allowed" to ignore moronic posts.  Skip over what you don't like.  If Sammie or anyone else is bothered enough by what is written about them, I trust that they're capable of handling it without your "help".  Your help seems to have done more damage than any of the posts you were upset about.

I just don't think this kind of blatent badgering and harassment should be allowed,

Yes, we understand that you don't think it should be allowed, we've heard you.

 

I really don't. These kinds of posts have always been painful and useless in my opinion, I really don't have the stomach for it.

I happen to agree and it looks like others do too, that's why you see people coming to Sammie's or others defense when they're getting slammed on.  BUT.....its not my place to edit other people's posts or ask Ginger to babysit the board and edit out what you don't like.  By whose standards would posts be edited?  Yours?  Mine?  What if you want a post edited but the rest of us don't?  Should we expect her to edit them just because you throw a fit and terrorize the board?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-29 01:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

 Why would anyone say something like that about a survivor.

Because we don't live in a bubble.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-12-29 05:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Allowed to read?  :eek:   No one is in straight anymore, we're "allowed" to read whatever we want.  That also means we're "allowed" to ignore moronic posts.  Skip over what you don't like.  If Sammie or anyone else is bothered enough by what is written about them, I trust that they're capable of handling it without your "help" "

Straight survivors are not necessarily capable of handling any more abuse. I have been abused enough by Straight survivors to think about killing myself, or just to feel very bruised and sore and be less functional.

Let's face it. Ginger is not qualified to put up a forum for Straight survivors. Yes there should be a warning on this forum. We all went through some awful child abuse and are, as statistics predict, affected in one way/to one degree or another, including social interaction skills.

Ginger thinks it is perfectly acceptable to allow the same sorts of verbal and mental abuses to get published against Straight survivors here. She does not care how much these abuses hurt real survivors who have been through enough already. She will allow all sorts of vile slander and personal identifying and abusing information and so on to stand, irregardless of the suicidalness or real emotional pain this causes.

In short, she doesn't give a fuck who gets hurt here. She thinks it is not her job. You put the site up, Ginger. You abuse people rotten yourself. Look at the slander that went up on fedelta-a-verite. Whether or not one agrees with that postor's sentiments, Ginger and Sammie went on a disturbing attack against that person, whose posts which I have seen so far have been civil although controversial in philosophy. Ginger insulted by changing the name to "fedelta_ver_non" or others. f.a.v. was also slandered with respect to their supposed connection to Sembler. Sammie put up an entire thread to call this postor out. Call it a flashback, but it was rather like standing f.a.v. up in group.

Good god, Sammie, cut it out. Do you really mean that survivors should stick together and so on? Or did you want to pass out a questionnaire on their particular philosophies wrt whatever to see if they qualify to be in the circle of survivors sticking together or outside of the circle and abusable?

My .02.

Note: Our abuse of each other is seen as a commodity to Ginger. She doesn't care that it hurts survivors of child abuse, she likes it as a testimony to the nuttiness of the programs we were in. She is highly inconsistent in censoring. She lies about her role as moderator. She abuses and gossips and slanders other survivors all the time.

Here's some slander in payback for the slander you put up on other survivors: there is no one more like a Sembler than you, Ginger, who put up this forum and allow and participate in the re-abusing of survivors. If you don't like me saying that about you, maybe it will awaken you to what you put other people through all the time - anyone who disses this site or you or you don't like their philosophy, you call them brainwashed, or you say "Still on staff?", or you accuse them of working for Sembler. Quit it, Ginger. In all seriousness, can you even give due time to what I have suggested here, or will you come back with the same old lies and accusations? It is simple: you abuse people here. Therefore, you are not done getting over the abuse you went through which normalized such abuse in your mind. False accusations was a REAL common tactic used against children in Straight.

In closing, I would like to extend the olive branch to both the crowbar killer and to the person the crowbar killer seeks to fictitiously smash up. We all get mad and frustrated sometimes. Consider the possibility that the postor accusing sammiegirl of being "unbalanced" just sees something and at the moment for their own reasons expresses this in insult rather than politely or dispassionately. One thing that remains controversial in my own mind is the offering of insight on another person's functioning. This is one of those confusing leftovers from "peer-help" training. Offering insight and advice and so on ought to be done gently and with due regard given to the necessarily limited view any one person can have of another and their possible intentions and supposed character flaws and whether one is motivated by the cult-induced personality that is compelled to tell other people what is messed up with them and such.

[Anonymous]

Why on earth would you think its Ginger's or anyone else's responsibility to protect you from reading things you don't like?  Wow. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time but I hardly think that's Ginger's fault or anyone else's here for that matter.  If she edited posts that you found offensive, she'd have to do it for everyone.  I don't think she has the time or the desire to police every goddamn post here for things that might possibly offend somebody.  It began as and still is an open, unmoderated forum[/b].  Its really that simple.

You said that perhaps you should create your own forum.  That may be a good solution.   I know its been suggested to you before. That way you could run it the way you think is appropriate just as Ginger runs hers the way she thinks is appropriate.

[Anonymous]

a medium in which people can discuss or do whatever they want always produces two things. people who  take the information and try to make some use of it or people that just cant take it. freedom and strength gained from independant thought when confronted with these mediums in which you can prosper or flush your self down the toilet is a beautiful thing. if you cant run with the free thoughts than get the fuck off the porch.

[Anonymous]

One thing that remains controversial in my own mind is the offering of insight on another person's  functioning. This is one of those confusing leftovers from "peer-help" training. Offering insight and advice and  so on ought to be done gently and with due regard given to the necessarily limited view any one person can  have of another and their possible intentions and supposed character flaws and whether one is motivated by  the cult-induced personality that is compelled to tell other people what is messed up with them and  such.

Interesting -- I think you make a really good point right here..

[Antigen]

Naw, the Program assholes didn't invent it. They just rode the market.

Artist/Band: Daniels Charlie
Lyrics for Song: Uneasy Rider
Lyrics for Album: A Decade of Hits
I was takin a trip out to L.A.
Toolin along in my cheverolet
Tokin on a number and diggin on the radio

Just as I crossed the Mississippi line
I heard that highway start to whine
And I knew that left rear tire was about to blow

Well the spare was flat and I got uptight
Cause there wasn't a filling station in sight
So I just limped on down the shoulder on the rim

I went as far as I could and when I stopped the car
It was right in front of this little bar
Kind of a red-neck lookin joint called the Dew Drop Inn

I stuffed my hair up under my hat
And told the bartender that I had a flat
And ywould he be kind enough to give me change for a one

There was one thing I was sure proud to see
There wasn't a soul in the place except for him and me
He just looked disgusted and pointed toward the telephone

I called up the station down the road a ways
He said he wasn't very busy today
And he could have somone out there in just about 10 minutes or so

He said," Now, you just stay right where yer at!"
And I didn't bother to tell the darn fool
That I sure as hell didn't have anyplace else to go

So I ordered up a beer and sat down at the bar
When some guy walked in and said, "Who owns this car
With the peace sign, the mag wheels and the four on the floor?"

He looked at me and I damn near died
And I decided that I'd just wait outside
So I laid a dollar on the bar and headed for the door

Just when I wthought I'd get outta there with my skin
These 3 big dudes come strollin in
With one old drunk chick and some fella with green teeth

Now the last thing I wanted was to get into a fight
In Jackson Mississippi on a Saturday night
Especially when there was three of them and only one of me

I was almost to the door when the biggest one
Said, "You tip your hat to this lady, son!"
And when I did, all that hair fell out from underneath

They all started laughin and I felt kinda sick
And I knew I better think of something pretty quick
So I just reached out and kicked old green teeth right in the knee

Now he let out a yell that'd curl yer hair
But before he could move I grabbed me a chair
And said "Now watch him Folks cause he's a fairly dangerous man!"

"You may not know it but this man is a spy.
He's a undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!"

He was still bent over holdin on to his knee
But everybody else was looking and listening to me
And I laid it on thicker hand heavier as I went

"He's a friend of them long haired, hippy-type, pinko fags!
I betchya he's even got a commie flag
tacked up on the wall inside of his garage."

"He's a snake in the grass, I tell ya guys.
He may look dumb but that's just a disguise,
He's a mastermind in the ways of espionage"

"Would you believe this man has gone as far
As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumpers of cars.
And he voted for George McGovern for President."

They started lookin real suspicious at him
He jumped up and said "Now just wait a minute Jim!
You know he's lying I been living here all of my life!"

"I'm a faithful follower of Brother John Birch
And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church.
And I aint even got a garage, you can call home and ask my wife!"

Then he started saying somethin bout the way I was dressed
But I didn't wait around to hear the rest
I was too busy moving and hoping I didn't run outta luck

When I hit the door I was making tracks
And they were just taking my car down off the jacks
So I threw the man a twenty and jumped in and fired that mother up

Mario Andretti wouldda sure been proud
Of the way I was movin when I passed that crowd
Coming out the door and headed toward me at a trott

Now I guess I should of gone ahead and run
But somehow I just couldn't resist the fun
Of chasing them all just once around the parking lot

I had them all out there steppin and fetchin
Like their heads was on fire and their asses was catchin
then I figgered I had better go ahead and split before the cops got there

When I hit the road I was really wheelin
Had gravel flyin and rubber squeelin
And I didn't slow down till I was almost to Arkansas

I think I'm gonna reroute my trip
I wonder if anybody'd think I'd flipped
If I went to L.A., via Omaha

The function of the press is very high. It is almost holy. It ought to
serve as a forum for the people, through which the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or suppress the news is a breach of trust.
--Mr. Justice Brandeis

[Antigen]

On 2005-12-29 00:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

On 2005-12-28 19:46:00, Anonymous wrote:


"





  you should really get some professional help girl.  You sound very unbalanced and whacked."

Think. Don't just get pissed off and respond. Think! We're not in goup anymore. We don't have to just accept, without question, some minfucked joker's assessment of things. Does Sammie sound unbalanced and in need of professional help? Or does she just sound pissed the fuck off? I think she's just pissed. And I know why, too. That sanctimonious son of a loose assed bitch, Melvin Sembler and his simpering dim witted excuse for a wife are trying to ply their obvious lie that, though their proud as anything of the 12,000 kids who they say they personally saved from damnation, they had no hand in it. Why, they didn't even know what was going on. They only did a few PR spots. Why's everybody looking at them.  ::

Well, if a picture exists showing them taking part in Virgil's Parent Weekend (and we've already got sworn testimony that Betty regards this notorious child abuser as a dear friend and wonderful person), then that rather gives lie to the cover story, doesn't it? If you're not pissed, please, check yourself for a pulse.

I know alot of people really dislike my trolling and they hate me for some of the shit that I say on here. But you know what AntiGin??? This post I just quoted right is here is the whole fucking reason in the first place why I started trolling.

Don't be skeered! Just blow their shit away! It'll do Sammie a whole lot more good to have a dozen or few of her friends just confirm what the fuck she already knows; we have good reason to be pissed off. It's not a sign of an unbalanced psyche, it's a sign of stuborn dignity.

I don't have to explain myself because you understand what I've been through about this. I have a hard enough time trusting people like Sammie and Mike and all us other Straight survivors. This motherfucker here reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally pisses me off. I wish you would give me his/her address so I can go kill this piece of shit, I really do have a crowbar painted black for people like this. May I have this person's name and address please?

I don't have it. I don't seek it. I don't need it. As regards trusting any stranger who comes along here, well you just have to get to know people and make them earn your trust before you give it.

Or would you be so kind as to edit this person off of this post? Why do we allow people to say things like this to survivors?

So we can knock them and their insidious lies the fuck down. Ya' know, just like we couldn't do without getting our asses bounced around a timeout room all those years ago.

Don't people believe that we were fucking abused as kids? It's not that we are victims now because we are telling a story of the past and the truth, it's that people like this really need to get their head knocked in. I'm the bad ass to do it.

Aw, bullshit! You wouldn't hurt a fly. But I know how pissed off you are. I get that. I just have more fun laughing at the devil than letting him laugh at me. Join us! Jump in! The water's fine and you're weocome!

I just don't understand why we're allowed to read garbage against survivors.

Cause we're not in the program anymore! We can read what we want, write what we want, talk to whomever we choose w/o having even to explain to any mother fucker why or what we talked about. We can, finally, draw out these brainwashed assholes and have at it on a fair and level playing ground. We won't get jumped or started over. We're free! Enjoy it, brother!

I know, I know: grow up, get a life, nothing I can do. Fuck."

Oh, yeah you can. Nothing you can do to stop anybody from saying what they will. But you can refute the lies and slander. Enjoy! Please!

If I am of the opinion that it is inexpedient to assign to the government the task of operating railroads, hotels, or mines, I am not an "enemy of the state" any more than I can be called an enemy of sulfuric acid because I am of the opinion that, useful though it may be for many purposes, it is not suitable either for drinking, or for washing one's hands.
http://www.mises.org/liberal/ch1sec7.asp' target='_new'>Ludwig Von Mises

_________________
Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82

[Antigen]

On 2005-12-29 07:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

Ginger thinks it is perfectly acceptable to allow

I'm not God, damne it! I'm not your mama. As a friend (and I do think that's pretty close to apt) I'd tell you that if you can't handle a brawl, stay the hell away from here. I'm sportin for a brawl just about all the time. But not with you. I want those mindfuckers on the carpet. You think you're fucked up and frail? Just look at these fuckers! Betty is "frightened, very frightened! And intimidated by Arnold Trebach and some foreign dignitaries from the Netherlands who refered to Straight, aptly, as "hitler jugund".

They're fucked up people. They draw their shades, hire security and keep the doors of their austensibly public DFAF office locked. When RTP and a friend went to just talk to Virgil, they pretended they weren't home then Virgil had Ruthie chauffeur him from the 'chappel' to their fortress accross the street. Quit obsessing on how fucked up you are. Dude, you make sense, you're consistent.

I disagree with you about some really very trivial matters. But, overall, I think you're damned sensible. Of course, that's coming from an avowed nut case. But WTF, some others think I make sense sometimes. And, in my view, that's about the best one can hope fore. So I'll take it, I'll take it!  

I put the site up when I found out that ppl can, indeed, openly protest these fuckers without getting struck by lightening. I wanted all of my former fellow inmates to get a taste of that. Sure, on a level playing field, you have to expect and tolerate some Program abuse coming out of the peanut gallary. But you don't have to take it sitting down. Tell this anon antagonist what you think about what they have to say to Sammie. Then spark one up or crack a beer or light a sig or stroke your rascal or make love to your lover or just walk outside, w/o asking permission from anybody, and revel in the fact that you can now do that without any fucked up consequences. Because you're right. That was a fucked up, program inspired little mindfuck directed at Sammie. But now, now? Now, we're not in group. Talking out is not grounds for an ass kicking. Wrong is wrong and we don't have to pretend otherwise.

Get it? All's forgiven, come home, come home!

There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
http://www.tatteredcover.com/NASApp/store/IndexJsp?s=showproduct&affiliateId=000095&isbn=0753816571' target='_new'>Alfred Lord Tennyson