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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2006, 03:11:00 PM »
Ok don't believe me. Smoke to your heart's content. http://www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/r ... rlink.html

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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2006, 03:17:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-08 12:11:00, odie wrote:

"Ok don't believe me. Smoke to your heart's content. http://www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/r ... rlink.html

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A source from a specifically designed anti-drug site?
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2006, 03:21:00 PM »
Oh and here is an updated study in case you want to see. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story ... D=10349782

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2006, 03:23:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-08 12:11:00, odie wrote:


"Ok don't believe me. Smoke to your heart's content. http://www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/r ... rlink.html

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

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A source from a specifically designed anti-drug site?"

Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0807059099/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>Mahatma Gandhi, My Autobigraphy, p. 446

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2006, 03:24:00 PM »
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A source from a specifically designed anti-drug site?"

Which makes an appeal to the IOM as an authoritative source:

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Marijuana and Medicine
Assessing the Science Base






Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and
John A. Benson, Jr., Editors
Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Health
INSTITUTE OF MEDICINE


Full Text: http://newton.nap.edu/html/marimed/

(ya may as well read it, General McCzar spent a couple million of your tax dollars on it, only to use it to line the trash cans at ONDCP)

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2006, 03:37:00 PM »
Gee, can you try and find a source with just a little bit less obvious an agenda? This is like playing w/ dead puppies, Odie! I know you're smarter than this. I'm insulted! It's asif you think you can dismiss me as easy game.


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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2006, 03:41:00 PM »
Let's face it. If someone truely wants to believe there is no danger to smoking marijuana they will find all the research in the world that supports their belief, I mean what the hell, I did that over 30 years ago when I was in school. All I'm saying here is present both sides of the argument and let people choose what they want to put into their bodies. Marijuana is not by far the most dangerous addictive drug but that is not to say that it is safe either.

When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ...... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2006, 03:47:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-08 12:41:00, odie wrote:

"Let's face it. If someone truely wants to believe there is no danger to smoking marijuana they will find all the research in the world that supports their belief, I mean what the hell, I did that over 30 years ago when I was in school. All I'm saying here is present both sides of the argument and let people choose what they want to put into their bodies. Marijuana is not by far the most dangerous addictive drug but that is not to say that it is safe either.

When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ...... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.
-- Bill Clinton, 3-22-94

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Odie I think she's just pointing out that the sources you're citing are outdated or from a organization with an obvious bias.  More and more research is finally coming to light that states that it's not the demon drug it's been made out to be, either psychologically or physically.  The federal gov't hasn't even allowed any real, unbiased studies from outside sources because they're well aware that the propoganda they've been spewing out all these years is just plain false, not to mention a complete threat to 'established medicines' (read Pharma Cos.).  It's been the same study for the past couple of decades with no system of checks and balances or independent verification.  Ask yourself why.  You're a smart kid.  Do a little research and check the backstory of your sources.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2006, 03:55:00 PM »
I'm guessing you didn't actually read the above book review, never mind consider reading the book itself. So let me summarize and highlight what I feel is the most relavent factoid.
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Study: Smoking Marijuana Does Not Cause Lung Cancer
By FRED GARDNER


Marijuana smoking -"even heavy longterm use"- does not cause cancer of the lung, upper airwaves, or esophagus, Donald Tashkin reported at this year's meeting of the International Cannabinoid Research Society. Coming from Tashkin, this conclusion had extra significance for the assembled drug-company and university-based scientists (most of whom get funding from the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse). Over the years, Tashkin's lab at UCLA has produced irrefutable evidence of the damage that marijuana smoke wreaks on bronchial tissue. With NIDA's support, Tashkin and colleagues have identified the potent carcinogens in marijuana smoke, biopsied and made photomicrographs of pre-malignant cells, and studied the molecular changes occurring within them. It is Tashkin's research that the Drug Czar's office cites in ads linking marijuana to lung cancer. Tashkin himself has long believed in a causal relationship, despite a study in which Stephen Sidney examined the files of 64,000 Kaiser patients and found that marijuana users didn't develop lung cancer at a higher rate or die earlier than non-users. Of five smaller studies on the question, only two -involving a total of about 300 patients- concluded that marijuana smoking causes lung cancer. Tashkin decided to settle the question by conducting a large, prospectively designed, population-based, case-controlled study. "Our major hypothesis," he told the ICRS, "was that heavy, longterm use of marijuana will increase the risk of lung and upper-airwaves cancers."



Ya get it? Now, go through all of the research, pulp journalism cites and other sources and try and find one not based on Tashkin's opinions or research. They're all bunk, he has just published a detailed recantation. I wonder if NIDA will try and get their money back somehow?

Yes, in isolation, some of the componants of Cannabis are known to cause cancer. So are some of the isolated componants of tomatos or milk or damned near any wholesome food product you can think of. But, for some damned reason the drug warriors are unwilling to research, when you put it all together, Cannabis is ....

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...in its natural form, [] one of the safest therapeutically active substances known. The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision. It would be unreasonable, arbitrary, and capricious for DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record.1"
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the Drug Enforcement Administration's chief administrative law judge, Francis L Young, after a long series of hearings, September 6, 1988

Cite: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1071664

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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2006, 07:09:00 PM »
I am curious, Odie, what of the three following items do you think is the most unhealthy?

1. Ciggarettes
2. Alcohol
3. Marijuana
4. Valium
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2006, 07:09:00 PM »
*four items  :lol:
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2006, 07:16:00 PM »
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"I am curious, Odie, what of the three following items do you think is the most unhealthy?



1. Ciggarettes

2. Alcohol

3. Marijuana

4. Valium



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Although the far left will definately dispute this, I'd say alcohol.

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2006, 07:31:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-08 12:55:00, Eudora wrote:

"I'm guessing you didn't actually read the above book review, never mind consider reading the book itself.
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Oh I read the report very carefully. Then I also took a look at who was reporting and took a second look...talk about biased opinions, How do you explain that 46% of the participants never even smoked marijuana but were included in the final analysis? Wouldn't that unreasonably tip the balance of the findings?
So now lets look at what Tashkin actually said in this report;
Tashkin decided to settle the question by conducting a large, prospectively designed, population-based, case-controlled study. "Our major hypothesis," he told the ICRS, "was that heavy, longterm use of marijuana will increase the risk of lung and upper-airwaves cancers."
Now what part of that quote is confusing? ::bangin::

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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2006, 07:47:00 PM »
Which is why most medical users eat it, as can anyone concerned with lung damage. Next criticism??
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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2006, 07:50:00 PM »
vape  :smokin:
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