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« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2005, 11:27:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-30 20:51:00, xvipah wrote:

"Ah I see now, I got a little confused  :smile:



If I'm understanding correctly, some say it was a drug rehab, and others say it wasn't because it was more about self esteem than "drugs".



I would say that both camps are correct.  Like I said in the last post, just about any place you go to get help for an addiction(whether that be drugs, sex, gambling, alcohol, or whatever), it eventually comes down to the things underneath it all.  Self-esteem, feelings, all of that play in to troubled kids(and adults)..



I think LIFE was advertised as a drug rehab, whether the things they taught and such could help even teens without drug/alcohol problems or not.  Sure, self esteem and such are important for anyone, drug addict or not, but a place like LIFE was there for people like me, who had real problems with substance abuse.  Honestly that's the only sort of kids who ever should have been there.



Regardless of the things they taught or did "therapy" on, the core teachings were about abuse.

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   Yes, I was also in LIFE and agree with this post.  LIFE was called a Drug Rehab, but when it came down to it, they dealt with symptoms that led to drug use and abuse.
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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2005, 11:41:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-30 19:24:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

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On 2005-12-30 18:15:00, xvipah wrote:


"I would call LIFE a drug rehab.  Honestly, like any "psychoanalytic" program/therapy, they tried to analyze what was underneath the "bad" actions.  





I'm not sure I see why that's some sort of controversy?



The only "controversy" is brought on by ex-staff who want to call it anything but a "Drug Rehab".  I actually have an email from an former staffer that downplays "drug rehab" and claims it espoused "Self esteem (an audience for private body functions helps this alot), decision making (taught by having to ask to pick up a utensil to eat?) and communication (because flapping your arms like a spastic parrot comes in handy in real life, doesn't it?)"



XV, You tell it like it is.  You don't resort to personal attacks or sugarcoating the facts.  You're a breath of fresh air around here.

God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
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  You emailed with a former staff person? What's up with that?
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« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2005, 11:58:00 AM »
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You emailed with a former staff person? What's up with that?"


The staffer emailed me.  I was kind enough to respond with my thoughts, and got the answers I stated earlier.

I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.

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« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2005, 12:55:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-31 07:16:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:



Nah, I do get weird looks when I look around and say "So, who's got a song".  No?



So I zip-a-dee-doo-da all by myself :grin:

No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the sources of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679737898/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>P. J. O'Rourke

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Yea, that zip-a-dee-doo-da will get you everytime..

I tried It's a Small World Once, but they didn't appreciate that either.

If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine- but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good- and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working.
--Frank Zappa, American musician

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« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2005, 03:11:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-31 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:


  You emailed with a former staff person? What's up with that?"


I don't understand the question.  Is there something wrong with that?
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« Reply #50 on: December 31, 2005, 07:23:00 PM »
I don't think there is.

Hell, I talk to Cristin through email fairly regularly.

Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
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« Reply #51 on: December 31, 2005, 07:58:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-31 16:23:00, xvipah wrote:

"I don't think there is.



Hell, I talk to Cristin through email fairly regularly


I meant for informational purposes.  There's a lot I'd like to know about what really went on in staff meetings while they were hijacking our future.  Other than that I really have no use for them at all.  I definitely wouldn't want to have a continuing dialog with any of them.
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« Reply #52 on: January 01, 2006, 12:24:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-31 16:23:00, xvipah wrote:

"I don't think there is.



Hell, I talk to Cristin through email fairly regularly.

Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
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  Cristin was a staff member?  I remember her as very quiet and shy.
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« Reply #53 on: January 01, 2006, 03:12:00 AM »
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On 2005-12-31 16:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-12-31 16:23:00, xvipah wrote:


"I don't think there is.





Hell, I talk to Cristin through email fairly regularly



I meant for informational purposes.  There's a lot I'd like to know about what really went on in staff meetings while they were hijacking our future.  Other than that I really have no use for them at all.  I definitely wouldn't want to have a continuing dialog with any of them.  "


Why not?

They're just people like we are.  So they happened to buy in to the program further than some others and went on to staff to try to help other kids as best they could, that doesn't make them some sort of enemy, or less human.
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« Reply #54 on: January 01, 2006, 03:13:00 AM »
That was me above, I REALLY have to get this logging in thing figured out.

The Church says that the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church.
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« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2006, 01:38:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-26 18:25:00, Antigen wrote:

"Ya' know, we really could use some solid figures in this discussion. Anybody inclined to get the tax returns from IRS? If LIFE was non-profit, they're public info."

Good idea. There's a lot of speculation and philosophical discussion going on, but very little evidence. Too bad most of the documentation probably wound up in the shredder... or in Ross's fireplace.

In additon to whatever public records could possibly be dug up, I'm sure there are some people who still have a few things. I'll bet Ginger would be happy to post papers that people might send her.

Or, you could even email or smailmail them to me, and I'll do it.

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« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2006, 06:42:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-01 00:12:00, Anonymous wrote:


Why not?



They're just people like we are.  So they happened to buy in to the program further than some others and went on to staff to try to help other kids as best they could, that doesn't make them some sort of enemy, or less human."


Why not?  Because I have this strange aversion to having a continuing relationship with people that abused the shit out of me.
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« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2006, 07:32:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-02 15:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Why not?





They're just people like we are.  So they happened to buy in to the program further than some others and went on to staff to try to help other kids as best they could, that doesn't make them some sort of enemy, or less human."




Why not?  Because I have this strange aversion to having a continuing relationship with people that abused the shit out of me.  "


 Oh you poor defenseless thing.  You couldn't get your way while there, so you cry A B U S E.  What a pussy.
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« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2006, 07:51:00 PM »
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On 2005-12-26 19:50:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

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On 2005-12-26 18:25:00, Antigen wrote:


"Ya' know, we really could use some solid figures in this discussion. Anybody inclined to get the tax returns from IRS? If LIFE was non-profit, they're public info.




Oh you mean actual facts? :grin:  Shouldn't be difficult.

Faith means not wanting to know what is true.
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  Found one.  For 9 months on staff. Earnings were $8,141.00 for approximatley 40 weeks, comes to right around $5 an hour (IF I was 40 hours a week, which I can't remember).  (1980's)
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« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2006, 08:11:00 PM »
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 Oh you poor defenseless thing.  You couldn't get your way while there, so you cry A B U S E.  What a pussy."


Why on earth would you assume that?
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