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« Reply #45 on: December 21, 2005, 04:50:00 PM »
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 Could it be that is why the others died = they didn't use what they learned or didn't complete for one reason or another?  I get you all are mostly control freaks that love to play on the fears of parents or relatives who wish they could have helped their kid at home.  



How many lives have YOU destroyed by your words?



Anyone know how many parents didn't get help because of what they read on forums like this and their child ran away/died/is in jail/drug addicted - these are all forms of death - "


Please, step away from the Kool Aid.  Damn.  Just how far up that program's ass IS your head??  You've got the lingo down pat!!  Complete with the requisite deadinsaneinjail mantra.  

I get you all are mostly control freaks that love to play on the fears of parents or relatives who think that forcing this shit down a kid's throat is actually going to help.  Wake up from dreamland little one!  The only people playing on parents' fears are the people that continue to insist that these places are anything but a money making sham and a disgrace.
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« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2005, 12:50:00 AM »
Let's also find out what percentage of those who are now deceased made it to level 6, or if the staff's assumption that "graduating" the program (which we've determined takes about 2 years and a "therapist's" thumbs-up) indeed guarantees one future success in life.
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« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2005, 03:20:00 AM »
The deal as I see it: Comparing "programs" to public schools is not a bad thing, especially when trying to point out the problems with "programs." The real fact of the matter is that public schools are simply places where public school students go to learn: they are a fact and neccessity in any civilized and advanced society. "Programs" make the claim that they help the "students" learn in generally two ways: School, which is general credits of middle and high school, and possibly college, that are similar to those that of public school and it usually takes form correspondence credits. The "program" aspect of these "programs" is in the form of rules, "consequences", seminars, and much more assorted bullshit. The School part of the "educational focus" is seperate but partially integrated with the "program" part.
   In public schools there are rules, but only neccessary ones for the general function of the school and the NORMAL process of education: learning about the world not "learning about yourself." Yet, "programs" also incorperate learning about the world and school at the same time but are seperate entities within the "program." enough babble... SO, in comparison, public schools use classroom type learning with homework, "programs" use correspondence style learning where it is at your own pace. Public schools do not focus on the "learning about yourself"(aka brainwashing and indoctrination) bullshit "programs" do.
    SO, public schools are a lot more common than "programs" and are a unchangable fact of modern society. The comparison of how many people die in "programs" vs. public schools: in "programs" many more kids are susceptible to depression and suicide based on the horrific living conditions imposed on them, they are more likly to be at risk of danger in the process of running away, when restrained (which is often unneccesary or with excessive force) they are subject to injury or death. Other angry or depressed students may because of the living conditions, become homicidal and suicidal. The staff of these "programs" are often under-qualified lkeaving the "students" more at risk to abuse and just about any other danger. In public schools the biggest risk is the danger of other students hurting eachother and school-shootings (which are rare). Public schools are run by qualified professionals removing the risk of neglect, and often there are police patrolling. There are difficulties comparing "programs" and public schools because the former doesnt have a "program" aspect which adds a lot more risk of injury and death. I also say that the notion of how many kids are saved by "programs" outweighs deaths is complete bullshit: there are many more absolutely effective solutions to kid's problems other than these hell-on-earth money machines, "programs" will put the money first, and ultimately one death is too many...

peace.  ::rainbow::
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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2005, 12:00:00 PM »
does anyone have info on cross creek
or getting info to a new girl there?
pmillerca@cox.net
please write
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« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2005, 11:52:00 AM »
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What's with all the AFTER the program stuff?  I know Landre didn't complete the program and still had many issues he never had the opportunity to heal.  Isn't that why his father is now helping keep the kids in until they have had the time to heal with his nonprofit Landre Foundation?  Could it be that is why the others died = they didn't use what they learned or didn't complete for one reason or another?  I get you all are mostly control freaks that love to play on the fears of parents or relatives who wish they could have helped their kid at home.  



How many lives have YOU destroyed by your words?



Anyone know how many parents didn't get help because of what they read on forums like this and their child ran away/died/is in jail/drug addicted - these are all forms of death - "
  Well especially Chris Landre did you know he re-attended seminars after the program even but upon being threatened with being sent back into that hellhole he took his own life.
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« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2005, 11:55:00 AM »
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"Let's also find out what percentage of those who are now deceased made it to level 6, or if the staff's assumption that "graduating" the program (which we've determined takes about 2 years and a "therapist's" thumbs-up) indeed guarantees one future success in life.



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corey murphy made it to level 6 he was in the program over 3 years!!! In the three years that he was there it is sufficient to say (hindsight being 20/20) that he never recieved any credible mental help which apparently he was in dire need of.
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« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2005, 12:02:00 PM »
But hey the corey murphy's and the chris landre's don't count. We will sweep those ones under the rug. We will put in their places a couple of students that have been indoctrinated with the programs philosophies.But make sure we get their testimonies immediately upon their exiting of the program before the deer in the headlight  effect wears off and they begin to try to understand what just happened to them. The money making under the guise of helping teens must go on!!!
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« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2006, 01:27:00 PM »
Someone helped out by posting that one of the SCL casualties was Karlye Newman.  May she rest in peace.
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« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2006, 07:08:00 PM »
how can this go on....does anyone have a contact
in t.v. newspaper, etc. just went and saw unspeakable crimes against teens held against
their will...i do not know what to do to fix it.
also check freealexcampain@aol.com and help her too.
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« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2006, 12:28:00 PM »
I would just start emailing news agencies, and single out certain reporters that are a little more sympathetic to these issues at hand. It just amazing that all this continues to go on. I look forward to the day that they meet their maker, and have to answer for all this.
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2006, 07:46:00 PM »
ZACH DAVIS, who attended Spring Creek Lodge, has passed away, sounds like a suicide.

God bless him and let's all continue to fight for real treatment for people who need it.  May he rest in peace.
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« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2006, 12:10:00 PM »
Every time I hear about another suicide, I know in my heart things might have been different had they not been sent to WWASP.

What if this person had received REAL treatment, instead of being shipped off to a private jail?

Would they still be dead?

Did program PTSD contribute to his death?

These questions should resonate with anyone who has been through, or knows someone who has been through these progams.



R.I.P. man, sorry you had to go through what you did that led up to this tragic ending.  :sad:  :sad:
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« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2006, 12:41:00 PM »
it's my understanding that the 'accident' at VQ was a boating accident.
the (one) link to the article no longer works:
http://www.arizonarepublic.com/special3 ... amp15.html

and unfortunately, i didn't post it here. if someone knows how to retrive it, please post it in the VQ forum for future reference.
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« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2006, 01:42:00 PM »
I hope you are right and it wasn't a suicide. We hear of too many of those.   :sad:

This I believe: That the free, exploring mind of the individual human is the most valuable thing in the world. And this I would fight for: The freedom of the mind to take any direction it wishes, undirected. And this I must fight against: Any idea, religion, or government which limits or destroys the individual.
--John Steinbeck, American novelist

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« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2006, 05:43:00 AM »
It's also about people blaming the program for their kid killing themselves outside of the program. For any parent who thinks their kid will come back "fixed" is fooling themselves. The fix it thing is too good to be true. If those kids came back and succeeded at killing themselves than that sucks.
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