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« Reply #120 on: April 03, 2006, 09:11:00 PM »
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"i went to SCL jan 99 to dec 2000 and it saved my life. i know if it wasnt for it i would be dead or pregnant. my name is chelsea chilcoat and me and my dad still stay in touch with programs- seminars, landre foundation, ect. if anyone positive needs to email me feel free chelsea_tyler@yahoo.com



once again it saved my life and my brother's (he went to jamaica)



chelsea"


I've been pregnant.  It's not a fate worth incarceration.  And I doubt you would be pregnant at the moment without SCL---pregnancy only lasts 9 months at a whack, you know.

"I would be dead"---No, usually not.  Wild sex is not normally fatal.

When I was pregnant, there were times kneeling to the porcelan god when I almost wished I was dead, but if I could do it again, I would.

Of course "my brother went to Jamaica" -- Wow!  Two "would be dead" kids in one family?  I deeply doubt it.

Two gullible, cult-brainwashed parents in one family---much more likely.

One obnoxious troll---most likely of all.

Julie
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« Reply #121 on: April 04, 2006, 11:53:00 AM »
I don't know why Julie's post reminds me of that Mastercard commercial! They way her post ties it all together in the end..........priceless!

I don't know if you all have seen the spoof on Mastercard's commercial, or not?

If you have a second check it out....it's funny!


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« Reply #122 on: April 04, 2006, 02:03:00 PM »
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"i went to SCL jan 99 to dec 2000 and it saved my life. i know if it wasnt for it i would be dead or pregnant. my name is chelsea chilcoat and me and my dad still stay in touch with programs- seminars, landre foundation, ect. if anyone positive needs to email me feel free chelsea_tyler@yahoo.com



once again it saved my life and my brother's (he went to jamaica)



chelsea"



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« Reply #123 on: April 04, 2006, 02:10:00 PM »
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"What you argued was that the ends justified the means. You see Chelsea, torture has no accpetance in civilized society. If your program had an ounce of integrity it would give you the credit, not the program. If it had an ounce of integrity it would have provided you with certified teachers, not "self paced study" And if the program had an ounce of itegrity it wouldn't advertise with pictures that were not of the facilities.

And if you got pregnant and had to put the kid up for adoption, you would be giving some couple the greatest gift possible. Forever, they would thank you in their prayers. "


Torture? Oh, horse****.
 :rofl:

And for a list of the certified teachers---at least five of whom have MA's or better---go to the state board website. As far as giving Chelsea credit, this girl kicks butt, and she knows it without anyone rattling on about it. She knows she's the one that made things happen.

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« Reply #124 on: April 04, 2006, 03:05:00 PM »
So far the pro-wwasps myspace group has about 20-30 members (including one dog). The anti-WWASPS groups have well over a thousand and growing everyday. I think the truth is plain to see to even the most skeptical at this point. Why should a parent take a 20 out of a 1000 chance their kid will be safe and make it through with a good attitude? That's what, a whopping two percent chance of success?! I sure wouldn't entrust my child to WWASPS with those kind of odds. Even if you want to use one of these unregulated programs for whatever reason, WWASPS is the bottom of the barrel, it is surprising to me everytime I see a new one open up. If I was a scam artist and had no issues with harming children (no morals) I would open up a program and become rich. Seriously.

Black markets will always be with us. But they will recede in importance when our public morality is consistent with our private one.


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« Reply #125 on: April 04, 2006, 03:14:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-02 12:46:00, Badpuppy wrote:


"What you argued was that the ends justified the means. You see Chelsea, torture has no accpetance in civilized society. If your program had an ounce of integrity it would give you the credit, not the program. If it had an ounce of integrity it would have provided you with certified teachers, not "self paced study" And if the program had an ounce of itegrity it wouldn't advertise with pictures that were not of the facilities.


And if you got pregnant and had to put the kid up for adoption, you would be giving some couple the greatest gift possible. Forever, they would thank you in their prayers. "




Torture? Oh, horse****.

 :rofl:



And for a list of the certified teachers---at least five of whom have MA's or better---go to the state board website. As far as giving Chelsea credit, this girl kicks butt, and she knows it without anyone rattling on about it. She knows she's the one that made things happen.



 :wave: "


I was tortured at WWASPS. Why do you find that so funny?

The schooling at SCL is a joke. Luckily I was only there for a short while before I turned 18 and had finished the majority of my high school education. The kids who spend a significant amount of time there, will be at a serious intellectual disadvantage when they leave. The longer they stay the worse the disadvantage. Not just intellectually, but also socially.

You cannot take one example of a student who feels the benifitted and apply it to everyone else. Yes, there is a small minority of those who will praise the program. The overwhelming majority would disagree, strongly.

I was there in 2000-2001 and there were no teachers that were certified, if they were the state needs to raise it standards. Just locals who babysat the kids as they all worked independently on their own. Remember the class ranges in ages from 12-18. Hard to teach a class like that, and they provide zero one on one tutoring or anything like that.

If you believe what WWASPS puts on it website, I've got a bridge to sell you. They give parents brochures and information with pictures that are not even of the facility they are sending their kid to. They lie. They profit. Kids suffer.

Black markets will always be with us. But they will recede in importance when our public morality is consistent with our private one.


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« Reply #126 on: April 04, 2006, 04:01:00 PM »
Yes, I remember self-paced studies. I remember having the work book, and you put all answers on a seperate page. I also remember them putting me on some really stong anti-depressants.........then me forgetting to put things on paper........then writing all over the work books. I got in trouble, but honestly it was the medication, I didn't mean to do that!
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« Reply #127 on: April 04, 2006, 07:14:00 PM »
Reading that Chelsea believes the program "saved her life" and prevented  her from becoming pregnant makes me want to cry.How sad.This girl   young gril has lost her self respect to a cult.

You would have been ok anyway.
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« Reply #128 on: April 04, 2006, 08:20:00 PM »
Yeah, I remember when we would take our "tests", which would count for a full school credit, the teacher would mark the wrong answers, then hand us back the test to show us which ones we got wrong. Then we could take it back to our desk and then when we felt like it, return to the front and retake the same test. The same multiple choice and true/false test. You could take a test without reading anything, memorize your wrong answers and keep guessing until you got it right! I used to sleep behind a book almost everyday.

We should make a t-shirt something like...

"What I learned at WWASPS -- how to sleep while looking awake 101"

I am serious, unless your kid is a retard, they will find the schooling at WWASPS quite simple and useless. All they provide is "busy work" for kids to complete, not an education. If they have a learning disability, it would be putting them at an EXTREME disadvantage in the future. I can't imagine a parent putting their kid at SCL for the academic program... but who knows, they lie about everything else too.  Parents, beware the sting of WWASPS!!  

PS: who names themselves WWASPS?? Talk about truth in advertising!

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« Reply #129 on: April 04, 2006, 08:55:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-04 11:10:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-04-02 12:46:00, Badpuppy wrote:



"What you argued was that the ends justified the means. You see Chelsea, torture has no accpetance in civilized society. If your program had an ounce of integrity it would give you the credit, not the program. If it had an ounce of integrity it would have provided you with certified teachers, not "self paced study" And if the program had an ounce of itegrity it wouldn't advertise with pictures that were not of the facilities.



And if you got pregnant and had to put the kid up for adoption, you would be giving some couple the greatest gift possible. Forever, they would thank you in their prayers. "







Torture? Oh, horse****.


 :rofl:





And for a list of the certified teachers---at least five of whom have MA's or better---go to the state board website. As far as giving Chelsea credit, this girl kicks butt, and she knows it without anyone rattling on about it. She knows she's the one that made things happen.





 :wave: "




I was tortured at WWASPS. Why do you find that so funny?



The schooling at SCL is a joke. Luckily I was only there for a short while before I turned 18 and had finished the majority of my high school education. The kids who spend a significant amount of time there, will be at a serious intellectual disadvantage when they leave. The longer they stay the worse the disadvantage. Not just intellectually, but also socially.



You cannot take one example of a student who feels the benifitted and apply it to everyone else. Yes, there is a small minority of those who will praise the program. The overwhelming majority would disagree, strongly.



I was there in 2000-2001 and there were no teachers that were certified, if they were the state needs to raise it standards. Just locals who babysat the kids as they all worked independently on their own. Remember the class ranges in ages from 12-18. Hard to teach a class like that, and they provide zero one on one tutoring or anything like that.



If you believe what WWASPS puts on it website, I've got a bridge to sell you. They give parents brochures and information with pictures that are not even of the facility they are sending their kid to. They lie. They profit. Kids suffer.

Black markets will always be with us. But they will recede in importance when our public morality is consistent with our private one.


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Perhaps in the midst of your distress at being tortured, you had the presence of mind to inquire about the teachers' certification. All that angst must have caused you to miss the twelve teachers who have been here since before you arrived---including myself.

Stop exaggerating; if you genuinely had an awful time at SCL, offer ideas for improvement and keep it honest.
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« Reply #130 on: April 04, 2006, 09:10:00 PM »
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PS: who names themselves WWASPS?? Talk about truth in advertising!


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« Reply #131 on: April 04, 2006, 09:29:00 PM »
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Perhaps in the midst of your distress at being tortured, you had the presence of mind to inquire about the teachers' certification. All that angst must have caused you to miss the twelve teachers who have been here since before you arrived---including myself.

Stop exaggerating; if you genuinely had an awful time at SCL, offer ideas for improvement and keep it honest.


If you were certified teachers, why did you not teach?  

Improvements: Direct parents to seek professional help. Better treatment options already exist, no reason to reinvent the wheel. SCL is simply the bargain version, in every sense.

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« Reply #132 on: April 04, 2006, 10:17:00 PM »
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Perhaps in the midst of your distress at being tortured, you had the presence of mind to inquire about the teachers' certification. All that angst must have caused you to miss the twelve teachers who have been here since before you arrived---including myself.

Stop exaggerating; if you genuinely had an awful time at SCL, offer ideas for improvement and keep it honest.


tor-ture  (t-rchr) n.
1. Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.


So long as the hobbit, or any form of isolation exists at SCL, torture will continue. I have been at many psych hospitals, and I have experienced the difference of being placed in isolation in a professional environment, and SCL.

In the hospitals, a kid is placed in isolation only if they are endangering themselves, or others. There are strict regulations, time limits, video cameras, etc.

At SCL, they utilize isolation as punishment. You say the wrong thing to staff, you get sent to isolation for a few days. If you don't cry enough for Gilrease, and "choose out" you spend a few nights in isolation. This is true for a variety of "Cat 5's" and other offenses. Running gets you a stay in isolation. In isolation you recceive a severely lacking diet (only two meals a day, banana and plain bagel for breakfast, tortilla, spoonful of black beans, and handful of lettuce for dinner, toiletry cup for water). No access to clean toilet facilities (portapotty with 50 foot 'walk of shame') for your entire stay. A shower only every three days. The staff are completely isolated and physical violence commonly occurs. It is freezing in winter, you are only allowed one layer, and only a sleeping bag at night. It was freezing, it literally hurt my body as I tried to sleep. Sleeping on a hardwood plank hurts. Kids with mental disorders (girls pulling hair out, boy banging head against wall) spend too much time in isolation, when they should be sent to a professional medical environment. Spending a week straight in a space no bigger than a vanity bathroom hurts your body.

This is, by definition, torture. SCL put us in an extremely uncomfortable physical environment, which abuse commonly occured (I was restrained several times while in the hobbit for no reason, but they find a reason anyways) to ensure our compliance. This is coercion, based on physical and psychological pain. Is this treatment?

Yes, you are right, I had no idea if the teachers were credentialed or not. That was not my point, my meaning was that even if they were qualified, they didn't teach. I don't know if this was your choice or SCL policy, I have no personal animosity towards you. I am not angry, I am sharing my own experience with the only audience who understands.  I wish you guys could have actually taught us like normal teachers, and interacted with us. Our class was completely silent all day, my brain went into neutral while there, as I am sure many others do.

From my experience, the entire program is designed to ensure compliance, utilizing whatever means necessary. I no longer think the lack of proper facilities, educational tools, licensed professionals, etc. is a mistake. I think it's all part of the plan, which is for the higher-ups to get rich and richer, without care for those of us entangled in it's mess.

I don't really have any advice for parents seeking alternatives to these programs. All I am hear to say is I was treated like shit at SCL, and came out ten times worse psychologically than when I went in. I still have issues from that place, and I was only there seven months. I can only imagine what is was like for those locked up for years and treated badly.

I have been completely honest, I have nothing to hide. I'll take your word for it I was wrong about the teacher credentials, I hope you are in a place where you can utilize your ability now.

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« Reply #133 on: April 04, 2006, 10:35:00 PM »
A lot of physical abuse occured while in worksheets too. Whenever I was in worksheets the staff was this young, couldn't have been more than 22, program graduate, who absolutely hated working worksheets. There was this one kid in my family who basically lived in the hobbit and worksheets, he never left. He was barely human, looking in his eyes was scary. It was like lights were on, but nobody was home. He shouldn't have been kept at SCL. He was the punching bag as far as I could tell. It was crazy. He just took it, never stood up for himself, it was like he just wasn't even there. He would do stupid shit all the time and get in trouble in worksheets, and that young staff would bang his head down on the hardwood desk, slam him to the ground and press his elbows into him, all kinds of gnarly shit. This kid would just keep getting up, even though he knew he would get "restrained". I don't know why he kept doing it, I can only guess he had just lost it. Why was he kept at SCL?

When I was up in the hobbit, they brought a girl into the cell next to me because she couldn't stop pulling her hair out. Since I got out I have researched this, and it is a psychological disorder. She was in the hobbit for a day or two waiting for transport to high impact.  Another kid I shared my hobbit cell with, a rastafarian fellow, was awaiting transfer to tranquility bay while his parents worked out his passport. He was a smart guy, wish I could remember his name. He was sent away because he had a strong mind, and resisted the seminars and program.

I saw and experienced physical and psychological abuse while at SCL. I can only imagine what I didn't see, I have read horrible stories, in which mine pales in comparison. TB, High Impact, Samoa, those are all in another category all their own as far as physical torture, we've all seen the evidence.

We had a 12 year old in our family, a 12 year old! In a lower level family made up of mostly 15-17 year old, agressive boys. Five years isn't much difference as adults, but at that age, it's a different world. We were treated as if we were cattle in a factory. No individual treatment at all. Mass help, come one, come all, no matter what your ills, we can solve 'em!! Sounds familiar, kind of like a snake oil salesman.

The nature of the program breeds psychological harm, violence and abuse. I don't have any suggestions, because I don't feel any of it is worth saving. That's my opinion, based on my experience.

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« Reply #134 on: April 05, 2006, 12:24:00 AM »
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"So far the pro-wwasps myspace group has about 20-30 members (including one dog).
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Yeah, but if you read the postings, many of those 20 members say they did not have a good experience.  They just are not allowed to elaborate, or the moderator will delete their posts and ban them.  At best, some are neutral, meaning that they hated WWASP but acknowledge that they made great friendships with their peers.
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