Hyde School, The Most Truthful Informative Post I have Seen

[Anonymous]

Your experience IS just as valid as mine and I never said it wasn't.  You are right.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about Hyde and everyone had different experiences there.  Some people breeze through, some actually like it, others end up doing drugs, having sex with teachers, going to AA meetings and getting high while out, and others hate the place so much they run as fast as they can.

I personally have gained a lot from this website.  It has helped validate the way I felt while at Hyde.  It is also nice to see that some parents and faculty have remorse for participating in something that has been harmful for some.  Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty member who speaks of her remorse and shame.

To me what is important is that the potential parents out there be well informed and base their decision on the truth. IMHO getting the typical tour from one of the poster kids at Hyde is not a true example of Hyde.  Websites like this are important as well as a good educational consultant. It would also be nice if Hyde would allow potential parents to sit in on a seminar, and also in one of Joe Gauld's meetings. This truly will give parents a clear picture of what Hyde is and what lies ahead for them.  Then and only then can they make a smart decision that best suits their family. I don't believe in spending $40,000 for surprises only to find out you can't get your money back.

[Anonymous]

It is inaccurate to say that the people who participate in this forum couldn't hack Hyde, as someone else wrote.
I graduated from Hyde as one of my class leaders. When I left, I told everyone who would listen how wonderful Hyde was. It was only with time, adult perspective, and education in relevant fields that I realized how emotionally manipulated and damaged I had been as a teen/young adult within the Hyde community.  I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners"  by others who may have a different perspective. Perhaps shining light on all of our Hyde experiences will make a difference.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-16 17:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It is inaccurate to say that the people who participate in this forum couldn't hack Hyde, as someone else wrote.

I graduated from Hyde as one of my class leaders. When I left, I told everyone who would listen how wonderful Hyde was. It was only with time, adult perspective, and education in relevant fields that I realized how emotionally manipulated and damaged I had been as a teen/young adult within the Hyde community.  I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners"  by others who may have a different perspective. Perhaps shining light on all of our Hyde experiences will make a difference."

BRAVO, BRAVO. Thank you for speaking so well for the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-16 18:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-03-16 17:05:00, Anonymous wrote:


"It is inaccurate to say that the people who participate in this forum couldn't hack Hyde, as someone else wrote.


I graduated from Hyde as one of my class leaders. When I left, I told everyone who would listen how wonderful Hyde was. It was only with time, adult perspective, and education in relevant fields that I realized how emotionally manipulated and damaged I had been as a teen/young adult within the Hyde community.  I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners"  by others who may have a different perspective. Perhaps shining light on all of our Hyde experiences will make a difference."

BRAVO, BRAVO. Thank you for speaking so well for the rest of us."

  You are apperently correct about the academics.  Check this out:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault
I have assaulted no one. One would hope that you moved on from your Hyde education and picked up a vague semblance of a collegiate vocabulary.  If you are speaking english as a second language, please accept my apologies.

If you were in Sumner's English class you would not have been allowed a such gross lexical imprecision.  I can hear him now reciting The Love Song of J. Alfred Profrock.

"Dare I eat a peach?"

As far a being called a whiner,  I would look to the Tibetian Buddist saw "to do is to be."  All I have seen is a bunch of gerneralized complaints (whines?).  What specifically happened that was bad?  Dish some details. I want names of staff. I want dates. Tommy is the only one who has named a specific staff member and a specific incident and that was 30 years ago.

The reason I ask is I don't think you even went to hyde let alone graduate.  The graduates I know would not dis the school on a public forum, but we were from the Beach Boy generation:
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beach-boys/13905.html

Sidney Bechet

[Anonymous]

To Sidney Bechet,
 The way you express yourself as a graduate reflects on the school. I wonder if you realize how damaging your comments are to Hyde.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-16 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Your experience IS just as valid as mine and I never said it wasn't.  You are right.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about Hyde and everyone had different experiences there.  Some people breeze through, some actually like it, others end up doing drugs, having sex with teachers, going to AA meetings and getting high while out, and others hate the place so much they run as fast as they can.



I personally have gained a lot from this website.  It has helped validate the way I felt while at Hyde.  It is also nice to see that some parents and faculty have remorse for participating in something that has been harmful for some.  Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty member who speaks of her remorse and shame.



To me what is important is that the potential parents out there be well informed and base their decision on the truth. IMHO getting the typical tour from one of the poster kids at Hyde is not a true example of Hyde.  Websites like this are important as well as a good educational consultant. It would also be nice if Hyde would allow potential parents to sit in on a seminar, and also in one of Joe Gauld's meetings. This truly will give parents a clear picture of what Hyde is and what lies ahead for them.  Then and only then can they make a smart decision that best suits their family. I don't believe in spending $40,000 for surprises only to find out you can't get your money back."

>Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty >member who speaks of her remorse and shame.

I saw it.  When was she there?  Was she ever there?  The prose style is very similar to the recent post proporting to be from a parent. I defy any of you to name the years you were there and four staff members, beside Joe, Mal,Lauri and Paul. Go Ahead.

I calling you out.

Sydney Ohio

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-17 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"To Sidney Bechet,

 The way you express yourself as a graduate reflects on the school. I wonder if you realize how damaging your comments are to Hyde. "

I never ID'ed myself as a graduate.  How are my statements damaging to Hyde?

Sydney, California

[Anonymous]

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Because you come off like Tom Cruise railing about Brooke Shields on the Oprah show. I'm not sure that the Church of Scientology is currently looking at that episode at a real big PR coup for them.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-17 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-03-16 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Your experience IS just as valid as mine and I never said it wasn't.  You are right.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about Hyde and everyone had different experiences there.  Some people breeze through, some actually like it, others end up doing drugs, having sex with teachers, going to AA meetings and getting high while out, and others hate the place so much they run as fast as they can.





I personally have gained a lot from this website.  It has helped validate the way I felt while at Hyde.  It is also nice to see that some parents and faculty have remorse for participating in something that has been harmful for some.  Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty member who speaks of her remorse and shame.





To me what is important is that the potential parents out there be well informed and base their decision on the truth. IMHO getting the typical tour from one of the poster kids at Hyde is not a true example of Hyde.  Websites like this are important as well as a good educational consultant. It would also be nice if Hyde would allow potential parents to sit in on a seminar, and also in one of Joe Gauld's meetings. This truly will give parents a clear picture of what Hyde is and what lies ahead for them.  Then and only then can they make a smart decision that best suits their family. I don't believe in spending $40,000 for surprises only to find out you can't get your money back."

>Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty >member who speaks of her remorse and shame.



I saw it.  When was she there?  Was she ever there?  The prose style is very similar to the recent post proporting to be from a parent. I defy any of you to name the years you were there and four staff members, beside Joe, Mal,Lauri and Paul. Go Ahead.



I calling you out.



Sydney Ohio



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I was at Woodstock several years ago.  You want names?  McCrann, Dubinsky, Felt, Gauld (sometimes), Schuler, McMillan, Murdock, Bertshy, Champney, Coleman, Smith, Cavalo, Murphy, Neal, Gregory, Levy, Racine, Warnick . . .  Should I keep going?

I had an awful experience at the school.  Some of these people were okay, but lots of the staff weren't.  People outside of Hyde should only know what really goes on inside.  I think few parents would send their kids to Hyde if they knew the truth.

[Anonymous]

In response to a poster who writes, "I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners" by others who may have a different perspective,"  "Sidney Bechet" writes:

<http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault
I have assaulted no one. One would hope that you moved on from your Hyde education and picked up a vague semblance of a collegiate vocabulary. If you are speaking english as a second language, please accept my apologies. If you were in Sumner's English class you would not have been allowed a such gross lexical imprecision.>>

If you are going to invoke Sumner Hawley's ghost, then it's only fair to observe that:

1.  The misspelling of "apperently" in the opening sentence of your response would certainly have set Sumner's teeth on edge; and

2.  Sumner might have actually read the definition that you cite ("1. A violent physical or verbal attack"), and he might have even read the definition of the word "attack" from the same source ("To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner").  He might even have concluded that a remark such as the one at the beginning of this post would qualify as a verbal criticism rendered in a hostile manner (a/k/a "assault").

If you _really_ want to hear Sidney Bechet sound off, go to:

http://azulweb.streamguys.com/garynullr ... /jazz4.m3u

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-17 14:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Because you come off like Tom Cruise railing about Brooke Shields on the Oprah show. I'm not sure that the Church of Scientology is currently looking at that episode at a real big PR coup for them."

I don't watch broadcast TV.  I have heard of Oprah.  Tom Cruise is one of my favorite scientologist.  He was really good in Magnolia and Collateral.

So are you really concerned that I am having an adverse effect? I mean are you a Hydite?  Because if you are and you have a genuine concern I will stop.

sydney pollack

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-17 14:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-03-17 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2006-03-16 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Your experience IS just as valid as mine and I never said it wasn't.  You are right.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinions about Hyde and everyone had different experiences there.  Some people breeze through, some actually like it, others end up doing drugs, having sex with teachers, going to AA meetings and getting high while out, and others hate the place so much they run as fast as they can.







I personally have gained a lot from this website.  It has helped validate the way I felt while at Hyde.  It is also nice to see that some parents and faculty have remorse for participating in something that has been harmful for some.  Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty member who speaks of her remorse and shame.







To me what is important is that the potential parents out there be well informed and base their decision on the truth. IMHO getting the typical tour from one of the poster kids at Hyde is not a true example of Hyde.  Websites like this are important as well as a good educational consultant. It would also be nice if Hyde would allow potential parents to sit in on a seminar, and also in one of Joe Gauld's meetings. This truly will give parents a clear picture of what Hyde is and what lies ahead for them.  Then and only then can they make a smart decision that best suits their family. I don't believe in spending $40,000 for surprises only to find out you can't get your money back."

>Hopefully you saw that post from a former faculty >member who speaks of her remorse and shame.





I saw it.  When was she there?  Was she ever there?  The prose style is very similar to the recent post proporting to be from a parent. I defy any of you to name the years you were there and four staff members, beside Joe, Mal,Lauri and Paul. Go Ahead.





I calling you out.





Sydney Ohio





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I was at Woodstock several years ago.  You want names?  McCrann, Dubinsky, Felt, Gauld (sometimes), Schuler, McMillan, Murdock, Bertshy, Champney, Coleman, Smith, Cavalo, Murphy, Neal, Gregory, Levy, Racine, Warnick . . .  Should I keep going?



I had an awful experience at the school.  Some of these people were okay, but lots of the staff weren't.  People outside of Hyde should only know what really goes on inside.  I think few parents would send their kids to Hyde if they knew the truth."

  Thank you.  That was refeshing.  I know some of those folks you mentioned and think that some of them are genuinely convinced that Hyde has the right approch to help people.  I is also good to hear that you experience was not all negative.

sydney florida

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-17 15:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"In response to a poster who writes, "I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners" by others who may have a different perspective,"  "Sidney Bechet" writes:



<
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault

I have assaulted no one. One would hope that you moved on from your Hyde education and picked up a vague semblance of a collegiate vocabulary. If you are speaking english as a second language, please accept my apologies. If you were in Sumner's English class you would not have been allowed a such gross lexical imprecision.>>



If you are going to invoke Sumner Hawley's ghost, then it's only fair to observe that:



1.  The misspelling of "apperently" in the opening sentence of your response would certainly have set Sumner's teeth on edge; and



2.  Sumner might have actually read the definition that you cite ("1. A violent physical or verbal attack"), and he might have even read the definition of the word "attack" from the same source ("To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner").  He might even have concluded that a remark such as the one at the beginning of this post would qualify as a verbal criticism rendered in a hostile manner (a/k/a "assault").



If you _really_ want to hear Sidney Bechet sound off, go to:



http://azulweb.streamguys.com/garynullr ... /jazz4.m3u"

Yeah, you are correct. Sumner was very harsh on my spelling and grammar.  Not that my prose was poor, which he freely admitted was good, just the inattention to details, like writting "you" when I ment "your"  I really love Sumner.  He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape.  I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course.  One of my deepest regrets at Hyde was taking his advice that vote for McCarthy was a wasted vote.  I really wish I had voted for McCarthy in that election.

Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack."  I don't think so.  If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?

Sydney Arkansas

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-17 17:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-03-17 15:19:00, Anonymous wrote:


"In response to a poster who writes, "I think it is vitally important that all people associated with Hyde be free to describe their experiences here without being assaulted and called names like "whiners" by others who may have a different perspective,"  "Sidney Bechet" writes:





<

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=assault


I have assaulted no one. One would hope that you moved on from your Hyde education and picked up a vague semblance of a collegiate vocabulary. If you are speaking english as a second language, please accept my apologies. If you were in Sumner's English class you would not have been allowed a such gross lexical imprecision.>>





If you are going to invoke Sumner Hawley's ghost, then it's only fair to observe that:





1.  The misspelling of "apperently" in the opening sentence of your response would certainly have set Sumner's teeth on edge; and





2.  Sumner might have actually read the definition that you cite ("1. A violent physical or verbal attack"), and he might have even read the definition of the word "attack" from the same source ("To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner").  He might even have concluded that a remark such as the one at the beginning of this post would qualify as a verbal criticism rendered in a hostile manner (a/k/a "assault").





If you _really_ want to hear Sidney Bechet sound off, go to:





http://azulweb.streamguys.com/garynullr ... /jazz4.m3u"

Yeah, you are correct. Sumner was very harsh on my spelling and grammar.  Not that my prose was poor, which he freely admitted was good, just the inattention to details, like writting "you" when I ment "your"  I really love Sumner.  He was the brite spot of erudition in an otherwise intelectually dull landscape.  I include the Texan that used to strut in the student union spouting his opinions as fact, in the guise of a civics course.  One of my deepest regrets at Hyde was taking his advice that vote for McCarthy was a wasted vote.  I really wish I had voted for McCarthy in that election.



Anyway "A violent physical or verbal attack."  I don't think so.  If that was violent what do you call what Joe did you he got in your face?



Sydney Arkansas"

PS thanks for the Sydney Bechet link.  I am listening to it now.

[Anonymous]

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Names withheld by request:

1.  Teacher/coach who conducted a  Lord-of-the-Flies-style drill that consisted of encirling the weakest and most helpless student on the team and beating the tar out of him. This developed character in the encircling students by teaching them the meaning of "Courage."

2.  Teacher/coach who specialized in developing close relationships with the best looking girls in the school, and coaching them about "Leadership" in one-on-one sessions in his office.

3.  Teacher quoted in Time magazine, addressing a student with the question, "Do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" This developed character in the student to whom the question was directed by teaching him the meaning of "Concern for Others."

4.  Teacher who instilled academic "Curiosity" in his students by regularly storming out of the class because their attitude was so bad that they didn't deserve to have him there (and he needed could go back to his office and finish out the athletic schedule).